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Post by Hotman on Dec 16, 2014 15:08:48 GMT -5
Again, who's coming to NY where they just fired 2 GM's in 3 years. And has anyone ever heard of a GM getting canned after 2 years? has that ever happened?
If this (GM & HC retained) were to happen, and I'm really just playing devil's advocate, John would have to commit to being far more aggressive in FA to give the coach a full complement of starting caliber players. No holes. No waiting for the best possible valued deal. Go get guys.
All I'm saying is this might be the best option available at the end of the day.
Yes of course it's happened, and no one gives a shit what GM was fired 2 years ago. The perception of 2 GMs in 3 years is literally peanuts compared to the perception of working under hot-seat extraordinaire John Idzik... can you find a more unstable job in the NFL??? Fuck no. If i'm Adam Gase, why would i risk the biggest opportunity of my career to work under a total noodle-head who might fuck up another off season and get canned in 2016... Cause you know who ever comes in 2016 is gonna fire Gase and hire his own HC... that's the reality. No one wants to work under a GM who's a bad draft away from getting canned. Oh, but he hasn't gotten his full 3 years to prove even further what a joker he is!
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 16, 2014 15:17:40 GMT -5
If anyone seriously wouldn't come here because of the media, the fanbase and even Joe Namath's twitter, they are way too thin skinned to be a HC in the NFL
The only way this can be salvaged and Idzik have a competent draft next year is if Woody hires a football-guy president who hires a real scouting department going over Idzik's head, and Idzik selects players from their recommendations
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Post by Hotman on Dec 16, 2014 15:20:10 GMT -5
If anyone seriously wouldn't come here because of the media, the fanbase and even Joe Namath's twitter, they are way too thin skinned to be a HC in the NFL The only way this can be salvaged and Idzik have a competent draft next year is if Woody hires a football-guy president who hires a real scouting department going over Idzik's head, and Idzik selects players from their recommendations That line of thinking is ridiculous and anyone writing that shit knows absolutely nothing about football or even being a man for that matter.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 16, 2014 15:48:04 GMT -5
From the outside looking in the position looks unappealing. It may be less appealing from the inside if you know you are coming into a team with a solid RB or two, DL and a receiving corp that is finally starting to shape up into something, and you'll come in to a great draft position and a huge bankroll where you can be a major voice in the draft picks and FA signings. That's a fairly appealing situation, especially if you know Idzik was slow playing digging the team out of Tanny's mess and developing the opportunities for 2015 and Rex was just not going to be part of 2015. Of course, that all assumes the media and fans are wrong about Idzik and he will be able to draft solid picks and be willing to invest in the roster when it's necessary. I'd expect anybody coming in would demand a long contract with commitments to team development. As nice of a package as that may be, it will still need to be a HC capable of developing a lot of young talent (especially at QB and CB) and making the team congeal around him after so many players were in love with the last guy. Not every HC candidate has those skills or wants to be in a position where so much of the team will need to be put together into a competitive team in his first year.
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Post by pcola on Dec 16, 2014 15:53:13 GMT -5
Good young talent? We have a DL, Ivory, and maybe Decker and Harvin that we could classify as young and talented. Did I leave anyone out? Is there anyone else under 27, 28 that has pro bowl potential? The lure of our front office positions is that the current regime set the bar incredibly low. Playoffs are a distant memory. Favre slinging it all over the place was literally 6-7 years ago. If anything, the next GM will get more time to succeed based on hiw bad things have gone between Rex and Idzik. Christ, take a look at the roster next time. When you do, don't forget the defense. Um, I mentioned the defensive line. Did I miss anyone else? Until proven otherwise, Pryor is a jag. Davis is good but is he someone you can build around and LEAD the defense? And I purposely left off the MASH unit secondary on purpose.
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Post by pcola on Dec 16, 2014 16:09:50 GMT -5
If I am Pep Hamilton, I don't come here. I would interview if asked, but I wouldn't blow what could be my only shot as a HC on a team with zero QB prospects. He has Luck and could potentially stay there until the perfect opening comes his way. Its not like Luck is going to regress into anything that would cost him his job.
Gase can do the same thing, but in a much shorter window.
If I am a veteran coach like Harbaugh, Cowher, or Gruden, what is here that would motivate them to come here? At least Oakland has a QB that despite having the worst offensive staff in the NFL, and very limited talent around him, has played pretty Damn well.
Any coach coming here knows that we haven't clinched the division in 12 seasons and that with Brady still playing at MVP levels, there's no shot of that happening in the next HC ' S tenure. Add that Buffalo and Miami are improved, we are probably looking at a Gus Bradley Jacksonville type of rebuild.
So my guess is Quinn because of his roots in Morristown. But I doubt even Lazor would risk his reputation on what we have at QB. Because our situation is so bleak, anyone we draft, even on day three, is going to have a microscope on them.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 16, 2014 16:22:41 GMT -5
Christ, take a look at the roster next time. When you do, don't forget the defense. Um, I mentioned the defensive line. Did I miss anyone else? Until proven otherwise, Pryor is a jag. Davis is good but is he someone you can build around and LEAD the defense? And I purposely left off the MASH unit secondary on purpose. Yes, but I grow bored of you.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 16, 2014 16:23:37 GMT -5
If anyone seriously wouldn't come here because of the media, the fanbase and even Joe Namath's twitter, they are way too thin skinned to be a HC in the NFL The only way this can be salvaged and Idzik have a competent draft next year is if Woody hires a football-guy president who hires a real scouting department going over Idzik's head, and Idzik selects players from their recommendations Yes, but that's not even a real thing. What makes more sense, is an actual NFL-CALIBER GM running this franchise, while getting some help from a bean-counter on how to manage the salaries... not the other way around. The Savant still needs to be at the head of the table.
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Post by pcola on Dec 16, 2014 16:39:49 GMT -5
Um, I mentioned the defensive line. Did I miss anyone else? Until proven otherwise, Pryor is a jag. Davis is good but is he someone you can build around and LEAD the defense? And I purposely left off the MASH unit secondary on purpose. Yes, but I grow bored of you. Then don't respond to my shit. If you had any clue on what you were saying, I wouldn't have to keep correcting you.
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Post by chrisjets23 on Dec 16, 2014 17:18:45 GMT -5
If I am Pep Hamilton, I don't come here. I would interview if asked, but I wouldn't blow what could be my only shot as a HC on a team with zero QB prospects. He has Luck and could potentially stay there until the perfect opening comes his way. Its not like Luck is going to regress into anything that would cost him his job. Gase can do the same thing, but in a much shorter window. If I am a veteran coach like Harbaugh, Cowher, or Gruden, what is here that would motivate them to come here? At least Oakland has a QB that despite having the worst offensive staff in the NFL, and very limited talent around him, has played pretty Damn well. Any coach coming here knows that we haven't clinched the division in 12 seasons and that with Brady still playing at MVP levels, there's no shot of that happening in the next HC ' S tenure. Add that Buffalo and Miami are improved, we are probably looking at a Gus Bradley Jacksonville type of rebuild. So my guess is Quinn because of his roots in Morristown. But I doubt even Lazor would risk his reputation on what we have at QB. Because our situation is so bleak, anyone we draft, even on day three, is going to have a microscope on them. It's going to be interesting if Woody will keep Idzik and then accept the fact that he's probably going to want to hire a coach who's has a defensive background + has never been a HC before (Quinn). That's been the constant with Woody since he's been an owner.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 16, 2014 18:01:39 GMT -5
It's going to be interesting if Woody will keep Idzik and then accept the fact that he's probably going to want to hire a coach who's has a defensive background + has never been a HC before (Quinn). That's been the constant with Woody since he's been an owner. I wonder if he regrets firing Mangini so quickly now. That was definitely a premature, reactionary move brought on by the media
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Post by Aussie Jet on Dec 16, 2014 18:08:08 GMT -5
What's the bet Woody cleans house then hires Rex as GM because he loves Rex so much?
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Post by chrisjets23 on Dec 17, 2014 13:21:37 GMT -5
It's going to be interesting if Woody will keep Idzik and then accept the fact that he's probably going to want to hire a coach who's has a defensive background + has never been a HC before (Quinn). That's been the constant with Woody since he's been an owner. I wonder if he regrets firing Mangini so quickly now. That was definitely a premature, reactionary move brought on by the media I guess it can be argued either way. It's difficult to believe Mangini would have had the run in 09-10 that Rex had here, but I think today a lot of Jets fans would rather have Mangini instead of Rex. Woody did overreact and I remember him doing an interview on SNY right after we lost that final game to Miami. I also think at that time Woody was so pro Favre, and the fact we didn't make the playoffs was all on Mangini, instead of taking a breath and seeing that Favre was playing injured the final month or so.
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Post by kreissage on Dec 18, 2014 23:15:11 GMT -5
pcola is right, the roster is horrendously bad. Of course we have a handful of good players. But so does every other team, even the last place ones (which we also happen to be). We would need 2 good drafts to get back to being a potential playoff team, and 3-4 before we could even think about considering ourselves SB contenders. And that's IF we hire a good coach. And find a good QB.
Damn, we are fucked. For a loooong time.
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