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Post by Paradis on Feb 4, 2016 12:39:42 GMT -5
Need to know basics:
--Resign/extend/restructure: Fitz, Wilkerson, Powell, Brick, Revis, Catapano,
--Gone/cut: Ivory, Cro, Davis, Snacks, Kerley, Colon, Pace, Ridley
--FA/Trades: L. Green (TE), A. Rubin (NT), N. Perry (OLB), Z. Brown (ILB)
The draft (w/trades)....
1) Cleveland: C. Wentz, QB - NDSU
2) Dallas: J. Bosa, DE - Ohio St
3) San Diego: L. Tunsil, OT - Ole Miss
4) Tennessee: R. Stanley, OT - ND
5) San Francisco: L. Treadwell, WR - Ole Miss
6) Baltimore: D. Buckner, DE - Oregon
7) Jacksonville: M. Jack, LB - UCLA
8) Miami: J. Ramsey, CB - Florida St.
9) Tampa Bay: E. Apple, CB - Ohio St.
10) Los Angeles: J. Goff, QB - Cal
11) Oakland: V. Hargreaves, CB - Florida
12) New Orleans: A. Robinson, DT - Alabama
13) Philadelphia: E. Ogba, OLB - Ok St.
14) Chicago: N. Spence, OLB - East. Kentucky
15) New York G: E. Elliot, RB - Ohio St
16) Houston: P. Lynch, QB - Memphis
17) Atlanta: H. Henry, TE - Arkansas
18) Indianapolis: R. Ragland, ILB - Alabama
19) Buffalo: J. Conklin, OT - Michigan St
Jets Selections:
1) C. Coleman, WR - Baylor
2) D. Henry, RB - Alabama
3) G. Ifedi, OT - Texas A&M
4) H. Miller, CB - Southeastern Louisiana
5) M. Hegarty, OG/C - Oregon
7) E. Yarbrough, OLB - Wyoming
Key changes:
--Pace/Harrison/Davis out, Perry/Rubin/Brown in.
--Oline draft additions of Ifedi and Hegarty.
--Ivory/Kerley out, Coleman/Henry/Ladarius in.
--No luck on the QB or OLB front in the draft.
Would you be happy with this draft?
Y/N
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Post by Peebag on Feb 4, 2016 12:44:12 GMT -5
Why a WR? BPA?
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Post by beerfish on Feb 4, 2016 13:05:52 GMT -5
Might take Decker instead of Coleman, I know Paradis love him some Coleman and I like him too. I wouldn't go ballistic if we chose him in the 1st. Only major beef is one again not putting a high enough priority on OLB (or ilb for that matter) We MUST upgrade OLB with some true speed.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 4, 2016 13:26:35 GMT -5
Might take Decker instead of Coleman, I know Paradis love him some Coleman and I like him too. I wouldn't go ballistic if we chose him in the 1st. Only major beef is one again not putting a high enough priority on OLB (or ilb for that matter) We MUST upgrade OLB with some true speed. Decker was the only other guy I had on the Jets board that I flirted with, but he's not nearly the OT that Coleman is a WR. I wanted an OLB, but there just wasn't anyone on the board. I would have slotted Spence to us over Coleman had CHI not taken him.... Nothing really exciting past round 1 for PRs... Also, I like Perry. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 4, 2016 13:26:54 GMT -5
Coleman was the BPA /cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4172428/cole.0.gif) |
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Post by ruby2 on Feb 4, 2016 13:34:35 GMT -5
Tell an ignorant guy like me why Coleman is any different than K Wright. Not saying hes not they just have similar builds, same gimmicky offense, etc. Baylor doesn't seem to hot in producing skill position players...
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Post by Paradis on Feb 5, 2016 1:55:19 GMT -5
Tell an ignorant guy like me why Coleman is any different than K Wright. Not saying hes not they just have similar builds, same gimmicky offense, etc. Baylor doesn't seem to hot in producing skill position players... I hope lots of Front offices think that way - cause otherwise, he'll be gone before pick 10. You're not totally out to lunch to ask that question. I've read a few bits here and there about teams at least acknowledging that concern. I think the popular theory (and correct one) is less to do with Corey's "numbers" and more to do with the kind of plays he's made. His burst and ability to "bust" through coverage is next to legendary. Him and Kendall are quite a bit different in style (plus I don't think Kendall is all that bad). He's electric in that OBJ kind of way. A true "take the top off the defense" kind of WR - not the gimmicky kind that just run posts all day. I think Baylor's system is somewhat guilty of making average guys look better than average - but that doesn't mean a great WR isn't going to look great. Coleman was on pace to crush every living record before Seth went down. Some people have him ranked in the top 5 players in the draft period. Me want. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 5, 2016 6:55:47 GMT -5
Tell an ignorant guy like me why Coleman is any different than K Wright. Not saying hes not they just have similar builds, same gimmicky offense, etc. Baylor doesn't seem to hot in producing skill position players... Scout the player not the box score or numbers. |
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Post by tinstar on Feb 5, 2016 9:43:21 GMT -5
If the Colts don't take Taylor Decker to protect Andrew Luck, someone's gonna get fired . There's a lot here that is up for debate, but I have to go to work now so maybe later if I am not too tired .
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Post by ruby2 on Feb 5, 2016 10:21:24 GMT -5
Tell an ignorant guy like me why Coleman is any different than K Wright. Not saying hes not they just have similar builds, same gimmicky offense, etc. Baylor doesn't seem to hot in producing skill position players... Scout the player not the box score or numbers. Right. That's why I asked someone who "scouts" players to explain to someone who doesn't the difference between the players. |
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Post by ruby2 on Feb 5, 2016 10:24:40 GMT -5
Tell an ignorant guy like me why Coleman is any different than K Wright. Not saying hes not they just have similar builds, same gimmicky offense, etc. Baylor doesn't seem to hot in producing skill position players... I hope lots of Front offices think that way - cause otherwise, he'll be gone before pick 10. You're not totally out to lunch to ask that question. I've read a few bits here and there about teams at least acknowledging that concern. I think the popular theory (and correct one) is less to do with Corey's "numbers" and more to do with the kind of plays he's made. His burst and ability to "bust" through coverage is next to legendary. Him and Kendall are quite a bit different in style (plus I don't think Kendall is all that bad). He's electric in that OBJ kind of way. A true "take the top off the defense" kind of WR - not the gimmicky kind that just run posts all day. I think Baylor's system is somewhat guilty of making average guys look better than average - but that doesn't mean a great WR isn't going to look great. Coleman was on pace to crush every living record before Seth went down. Some people have him ranked in the top 5 players in the draft period. I dont evaluate tape or scout players like you guys. I am just a casual observer although I do love the draft process, and do watch a decent amount of college ball. Doing so it's impossible to not notice certain trends. Thats why I was asking someone to break down why this would be a good pick when the casual observer might not immediately think so. Im sure most front offices dont think like this. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 5, 2016 11:49:26 GMT -5
I hope lots of Front offices think that way - cause otherwise, he'll be gone before pick 10. You're not totally out to lunch to ask that question. I've read a few bits here and there about teams at least acknowledging that concern. I think the popular theory (and correct one) is less to do with Corey's "numbers" and more to do with the kind of plays he's made. His burst and ability to "bust" through coverage is next to legendary. Him and Kendall are quite a bit different in style (plus I don't think Kendall is all that bad). He's electric in that OBJ kind of way. A true "take the top off the defense" kind of WR - not the gimmicky kind that just run posts all day. I think Baylor's system is somewhat guilty of making average guys look better than average - but that doesn't mean a great WR isn't going to look great. Coleman was on pace to crush every living record before Seth went down. Some people have him ranked in the top 5 players in the draft period. I dont evaluate tape or scout players like you guys. I am just a casual observer although I do love the draft process, and do watch a decent amount of college ball. Doing so it's impossible to not notice certain trends. Thats why I was asking someone to break down why this would be a good pick when the casual observer might not immediately think so. Im sure most front offices dont think like this. Right, well i've given you some food for thought. I expect others will disagree but that's how i feel. I guess if you were looking for a blanket description of why he's so dynamic and excerpt from that quote should do the trick: " He's one of the sport's fastest receivers, but he's also one of its most agile. It's not just that, though: He fights for the ball, he can jump higher than you, he's quick-twitch and he'll out-muscle any corner " |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 5, 2016 12:26:35 GMT -5
I dont evaluate tape or scout players like you guys. I am just a casual observer although I do love the draft process, and do watch a decent amount of college ball. Doing so it's impossible to not notice certain trends. Thats why I was asking someone to break down why this would be a good pick when the casual observer might not immediately think so. Im sure most front offices dont think like this. Right, well i've given you some food for thought. I expect others will disagree but that's how i feel. I guess if you were looking for a blanket description of why he's so dynamic and excerpt from that quote should do the trick: " He's one of the sport's fastest receivers, but he's also one of its most agile. It's not just that, though: He fights for the ball, he can jump higher than you, he's quick-twitch and he'll out-muscle any corner " The bold part is what makes Coleman such an intriguing prospect. Look at his build, he is as solid as they come for his size. Not only does he have "blow the top off speed", but he can run all the other routes as well. He doesn't shy away from contact, catches the ball the correct way and is "system proof" at the next level. IMO the comparisons to OBJ when he came out of LSU are valid, now is Coleman going to have the type of rookie season OBJ did? probably not, but they are similar type receivers with similar skill sets. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 5, 2016 15:55:47 GMT -5
lets go back to what beerfish was saying though... what are really supposed to be doing here about OLB? Who's even really a target? I can't think of anyone honestly that i'm overly interested in past the first round. I think they have to lean on FA to address the Pass-Rush. I just don't see the draft providing a lot of worth while guarantees |
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Post by beerfish on Feb 5, 2016 17:45:07 GMT -5
lets go back to what beerfish was saying though... what are really supposed to be doing here about OLB? Who's even really a target? I can't think of anyone honestly that i'm overly interested in past the first round. I think they have to lean on FA to address the Pass-Rush. I just don't see the draft providing a lot of worth while guarantees James Cowser - Southern Utah Curt Magitt - Tennessee Victor Ochi - Stony Brook Yannick Ngakoue - Maryland Jatavis Brown - Akron Kamalea Correa - Boise State Matt Judon - Grand Valley State |
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