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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 7, 2016 13:48:58 GMT -5
Good I saw enough with his season ending choke with Buffalo. Add in the tough schedule coming up this year and the real Fitzpatrick shows up. I would go all out for Osweiler 26 years old beat a undefeated NE team. If your going to spend 15 million plus a year get a QB you can build around not a career journeyman backup who has never seen a post season. This is what worries me about Fitz. With no expectations he has, on occasion, played lights out in his career, not just in New York. However with the pressure on and asked to carry a team ... I don't see it. His contract was essentially a one year tryout. The Jets paid him like a backup to Geno Smith and drafted Bryce Petty for the future. All indications were that Fitz was a competent, experienced safety valve, a true insurance policy to get the Jets from Geno to Bryce Petty at some point. But we had to file the insurance claim before the season even started and Fitz took full advantage of his opportunity. Good for him, in all seriousness. But the Jets AND Fitz have to recognize that they're a great fit for each other because of Chan Gailey and the history between them. I think both the team and the player don't do as well without each other.....which puts both in an interesting position. How much more do the Jets pay for a player that has a year of experience in their system, played very well and would let them pickup right where they left off in 2015? Fitz is worth more to the Jets than he is to other teams. At the same time, there is almost ZERO chance that Fitz can play as well with any other team in the NFL as he did with the Jets under Chan Gailey. You'd have to think Fitz might take slightly less money than what he'd get on the open market to stay.....but that's the real question, what is the open market price and is 10% less than that still too expensive for the Jets? The grass is always greener on the other side...and some team like Denver, Houston, etc. might open up the piggy bank a little for Fitz on a 2-year deal.
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Post by Hotman on Mar 7, 2016 14:10:27 GMT -5
The grass is always greener on the other side...and some team like Denver, Houston, etc. might open up the piggy bank a little for Fitz on a 2-year deal. if that's the case let him go. He needed to beat Buffalo and couldn't get it done. Would like to have him back but ONLY for cheap between backup and starter money. We are by far HIS best option too. Let him go unsigned for a while and get back to it.
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Post by gangrene on Mar 7, 2016 14:12:31 GMT -5
This is what worries me about Fitz. With no expectations he has, on occasion, played lights out in his career, not just in New York. However with the pressure on and asked to carry a team ... I don't see it. His contract was essentially a one year tryout. The Jets paid him like a backup to Geno Smith and drafted Bryce Petty for the future. All indications were that Fitz was a competent, experienced safety valve, a true insurance policy to get the Jets from Geno to Bryce Petty at some point. But we had to file the insurance claim before the season even started and Fitz took full advantage of his opportunity. Good for him, in all seriousness. But the Jets AND Fitz have to recognize that they're a great fit for each other because of Chan Gailey and the history between them. I think both the team and the player don't do as well without each other.....which puts both in an interesting position. How much more do the Jets pay for a player that has a year of experience in their system, played very well and would let them pickup right where they left off in 2015? Fitz is worth more to the Jets than he is to other teams. At the same time, there is almost ZERO chance that Fitz can play as well with any other team in the NFL as he did with the Jets under Chan Gailey. You'd have to think Fitz might take slightly less money than what he'd get on the open market to stay.....but that's the real question, what is the open market price and is 10% less than that still too expensive for the Jets? The grass is always greener on the other side...and some team like Denver, Houston, etc. might open up the piggy bank a little for Fitz on a 2-year deal. Fitz might be looking to enjoy the moment, as a semi-valued free agent qb, there are a few teams that will enquire. Other than the Jets Houston makes the most sense. His kids can re-inroll in their old schools. With their great defense, Denver would likely be a good fit but Osweiler has to be their first choice.
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Post by Hotman on Mar 7, 2016 14:14:21 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not understanding why people think Osweiler is gonna be going anywhere but Denver...
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Post by gangrene on Mar 7, 2016 14:14:39 GMT -5
The grass is always greener on the other side...and some team like Denver, Houston, etc. might open up the piggy bank a little for Fitz on a 2-year deal. if that's the case let him go. He needed to beat Buffalo and couldn't get it done. Would like to have him back but ONLY for cheap between backup and starter money. We are by far HIS best option too. Let him go unsigned for a while and get back to it. I remember commenting at the time of the second Buffalo loss at the end of the season, that Fitz likely lost millions on his next contract with his poor play that day.
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Post by Hotman on Mar 7, 2016 14:17:33 GMT -5
if that's the case let him go. He needed to beat Buffalo and couldn't get it done. Would like to have him back but ONLY for cheap between backup and starter money. We are by far HIS best option too. Let him go unsigned for a while and get back to it. I remember commenting at the time of the second Buffalo loss at the end of the season, that Fitz likely lost millions on his next contract with his poor play that day. His old team, our old coach, to get him and Marshall to the playoffs for the first time in their careers... And he choked. I wouldn't trust him in the playoffs after seeing that. Not a game you can lose and come back demanding ANYTHING. He would be a great backup and maybe our best option as starter still. Remains to be seen. Really hope Petty is coming along because fuck Geno
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 7, 2016 14:24:51 GMT -5
if that's the case let him go. He needed to beat Buffalo and couldn't get it done. Would like to have him back but ONLY for cheap between backup and starter money. We are by far HIS best option too. Let him go unsigned for a while and get back to it. I remember commenting at the time of the second Buffalo loss at the end of the season, that Fitz likely lost millions on his next contract with his poor play that day. We will soon get a decent idea of how many million when he signs with someone. Not that we'll ever know the difference if he had won that Buffalo game and maybe continued to play well in a playoff game or two, but I think we'll see his next contract numbers and wonder if they'd really be another $1-2M higher had he not thrown a couple picks at the end of Week 17.
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Post by jetrider on Mar 7, 2016 14:39:54 GMT -5
Who's gonna make Fitz an offer? Wasn't he dumped once by every team in the league already?
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Post by Hotman on Mar 7, 2016 14:49:12 GMT -5
Who's gonna make Fitz an offer? Wasn't he dumped once by every team in the league already? Yeah I'm not sure where this long line of suitors ready to get in a bidding war to give him 12M a year is at. He's at the end of his career.
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Post by rangerous on Mar 7, 2016 18:08:58 GMT -5
I remember commenting at the time of the second Buffalo loss at the end of the season, that Fitz likely lost millions on his next contract with his poor play that day. His old team, our old coach, to get him and Marshall to the playoffs for the first time in their careers... And he choked. I wouldn't trust him in the playoffs after seeing that. Not a game you can lose and come back demanding ANYTHING. He would be a great backup and maybe our best option as starter still. Remains to be seen. Really hope Petty is coming along because fuck Geno not that fitz is the second coming or anything but it's hard to win any nfl game if your special teams gifts the other guys 7 points. that loss isn't all on fitz. yes he didn't do as well as he should have in the 4th quarter but it's not like the rest of the team played to their abilities. and then there's the why wasn't ivory in the game when stacey and ridley weren't doing a thing. but i digress. fitz will enter his reality zone about a week or two into free agency. at that point he will realize that only the jets will offer him a starter job and with a decent paycheck. maybe they do 3 for 30 with 15 guaranteed?
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Post by gangrene on Mar 7, 2016 19:13:45 GMT -5
His old team, our old coach, to get him and Marshall to the playoffs for the first time in their careers... And he choked. I wouldn't trust him in the playoffs after seeing that. Not a game you can lose and come back demanding ANYTHING. He would be a great backup and maybe our best option as starter still. Remains to be seen. Really hope Petty is coming along because fuck Geno not that fitz is the second coming or anything but it's hard to win any nfl game if your special teams gifts the other guys 7 points. that loss isn't all on fitz. yes he didn't do as well as he should have in the 4th quarter but it's not like the rest of the team played to their abilities. and then there's the why wasn't ivory in the game when stacey and ridley weren't doing a thing. but i digress. fitz will enter his reality zone about a week or two into free agency. at that point he will realize that only the jets will offer him a starter job and with a decent paycheck. maybe they do 3 for 30 with 15 guaranteed? 3 for 30 with 15 guaranteed... fair offer but I think he'll need twenty guaranteed, let's see what happens ...
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Post by yankeejet22 on Mar 7, 2016 19:46:04 GMT -5
2 years 16 mil. 10 mil guaranteed. Not a penny more.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Mar 7, 2016 19:47:32 GMT -5
Jets may have to turn to Petty...
Lets see what the kid can do...
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 7, 2016 19:52:39 GMT -5
Let him walk if he wants some crazy contract. He's a career backup that had one good year at 33 years old. We're not winning a super bowl with fitzpatrick and we can not win one without him.
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Post by jcappy on Mar 7, 2016 21:08:43 GMT -5
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