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Post by carlito1171 on Apr 29, 2016 10:37:03 GMT -5
What a load shit. ...writers kept shovelling this "the jets just NEED so many pieces right now" narrative down our throats... Fck off. What we need is a fcking QB. We could spend an eternity trying to maintain the roster and fight off age, but it's all an exercise in futility without a quarterback I really really hope I was wrong about Lynch, cause otherwise Macc just passed on the next Big Ben - and I'll never forgive him for that This is where I'm struggling with Macc's strategy, he seems convinced we are in win now mode with an ageing roster, how can he think that with no viable quarterback solution? He went BPA for a day one starter that married need with Lee but I'm gettin conflictin messages on whether we are trying to win now or build for the future. I agree if he was good enough for Elway then why not us? He seems to be in a win now mode then in the next breath he's talkin about executing a long term plan. I'm all over the place with him because I'm of the mindset you can't win now without a quarterback, Mac seems like safety first dude, he needed balls to select Lynch but he went for the safe option with this Lee, he just doesn't strike me as a risk taker. If he thinks we can win now with Fitz he's fuckin kiddin himself. Mac just doesn't like Lynch. This is the bottom line. He met the kid face to face. I'll defer to him on this he did his hw. He had him in reach and completely passed. Also I wish people would stop comparing our situation to Denver. They are the champs FFS! Elway just bought himself mucho time and leeway to be more loosely goosey with the risk taking. You're delusional if you think this fanbase is patient enough to let lynch develop. The minute Lynch gets put in and throws a pick we'll be crying for whatever scrub QB we have on our bench and we'll be packing up Mac's belongings in Florham Park. Elway can make a pick like this with little repercussion because he just won a SB. This doesn't prove he knows more about winning one his freaking Defense won the whole damn thing for him anyways!!!!!
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 29, 2016 10:38:01 GMT -5
How is that any different for Mac and the Jets if Lynch turns into something in Denver? Where are Macs and the Jets Super Bowl rings? For one thing taking Lynch at 20 wouldn't have been a "reach", second, has there been a bigger need for this franchise over the last decade and a half than QB? If I am not mistaken, the Jets have taken more QBs in the draft over the past 20 years or so than any other team - obviously not the best ones. So I don't think its a matter of avoiding the wide net. All I see getting everyone into Lynch is that a) the next-ben-roth articles on the web that took as long to write as they take to read and b) Denver picked him. I'd bet very strongly that if Den had passed on Lynch, there'd be litle hubbub in this forum over us passing on Lynch as well. And my point about Elway is that he can afford to have a project; that team is stacked and he has a hell of a lot of runway. Play keep-away from KC and hope you can develop PL to start in 3 years - sure, why not - what other hole were they plugging at the back of the first round anyhow? Taking PL in the 1st also gives you that extra 5th year - which would be important in PL case. First, there would be a bunch of us here complaining they passed on Lynch even if Denver didn't trade up. Second, I'm not sure why you think keeping Lynch away from KC had anything to do with them drafting him. Third, how can Denver afford to have a project and the Jets can't?? I get that Lynch isn't a sure thing, but your rationale as to why Denver took him makes little sense.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 29, 2016 10:38:59 GMT -5
Lol...just watching NFL Network and hearing how all these teams were excited about Lynch. Dallas was ready to trade up to take him, Arizona was prepared to draft him had he been there and we all know Denver traded up for him. Ughhhhhhhhhhh Not that it matters really, but all those teams are trading up for him to sit, expect probably the Broncos. Would the Jets have taken him to sit? Absolutely. Hoyer or Fitz would start the season.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 29, 2016 10:40:20 GMT -5
My short lists for today
Round 2
1. Christian Hackenberg 2. Connor Cook 3. Kyler Fackrell 4. Cody Whitehair 5. Hunter Henry
Round 3
1. Vadal Alexander 2. Nick Vannett 3. Kenny Lawler 4. Harlan Miller 5. Maliek Collins
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2016 10:41:23 GMT -5
Lol...just watching NFL Network and hearing how all these teams were excited about Lynch. Dallas was ready to trade up to take him, Arizona was prepared to draft him had he been there and we all know Denver traded up for him. Ughhhhhhhhhhh Not that it matters really, but all those teams are trading up for him to sit, expect probably the Broncos. Would the Jets have taken him to sit? Agree that it does not really matter now, but my thoughts always were that we were in a great position to re-sign Fitz for to start for another year or two and let a project like Lynch sit & learn behind him. Don't know what the Jets plan would have been (or will be if they take Hack), but its what i would have wanted.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 29, 2016 10:41:30 GMT -5
This is where I'm struggling with Macc's strategy, he seems convinced we are in win now mode with an ageing roster, how can he think that with no viable quarterback solution? He went BPA for a day one starter that married need with Lee but I'm gettin conflictin messages on whether we are trying to win now or build for the future. I agree if he was good enough for Elway then why not us? He seems to be in a win now mode then in the next breath he's talkin about executing a long term plan. I'm all over the place with him because I'm of the mindset you can't win now without a quarterback, Mac seems like safety first dude, he needed balls to select Lynch but he went for the safe option with this Lee, he just doesn't strike me as a risk taker. If he thinks we can win now with Fitz he's fuckin kiddin himself. Mac just doesn't like Lynch. This is the bottom line. He met the kid face to face. I'll defer to him on this he did his hw. He had him in reach and completely passed. Also I wish people would stop comparing our situation to Denver. They are the champs FFS! Elway just bought himself mucho time and leeway to be more loosely goosey with the risk taking. You're delusional if you think this fanbase is patient enough to let lynch develop. The minute Lynch gets put in and throws a pick we'll be crying for whatever scrub QB we have on our bench and we'll be packing up Mac's belongings in Florham Park. Elway can make a pick like this with little repercussion because he just won a SB. This doesn't prove he knows more about winning one his freaking Defense won the whole damn thing for him anyways!!!!! It made me larf when we was on the clock Warner was sayin it's a risk he's not ready, soon as Denver took him they where smart to take him in the first because it gave them the 5th year option.
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Post by beerfish on Apr 29, 2016 10:41:49 GMT -5
Agreed. Because next year's QB class is looking to be VERY weak. So I don't think the answer is coming in the 2017 draft. That's why IF Lynch becomes a solid starter in this league and come 2018 the Jets are still searching for a QB that Mac's job could be in jeopardy. Yep...pretty much Mac is tied to Lynch now...and it's kind of a lose/no win situation for him. If Lynch turns into a Top 10 QB....hell...a top 15 QB, Mac will be forever vilified (lose). Unfortunately for Mac, if Lynch turns into a giant bust, Mac will get virtually no credit for passing on him. (no win) He'll get credit if Lee tuns out to be very very good. The funny thing is that people talk about waiting for a developmental QB hell we drafted a developmental LB.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 29, 2016 10:42:06 GMT -5
Lol...just watching NFL Network and hearing how all these teams were excited about Lynch. Dallas was ready to trade up to take him, Arizona was prepared to draft him had he been there and we all know Denver traded up for him. Ughhhhhhhhhhh
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Post by Harrier on Apr 29, 2016 10:44:31 GMT -5
My short lists for today Round 2 1. Christian Hackenberg 2. Connor Cook 3. Kyler Fackrell 4. Cody Whitehair 5. Hunter Henry Round 3 1. Vadal Alexander 2. Nick Vannett 3. Kenny Lawler 4. Harlan Miller 5. Maliek Collins Cook over Hack for me. Where's Kamalei Correa and Spence? I'll keep your list handy for the 3rd.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 29, 2016 10:45:05 GMT -5
Not that it matters really, but all those teams are trading up for him to sit, expect probably the Broncos. Would the Jets have taken him to sit? Agree that it does not really matter now, but my thoughts always were that we were in a great position to re-sign Fitz for to start for another year or two and let a project like Lynch sit & learn behind him. Don't know what the Jets plan would have been (or will be if they take Hack), but its what i would have wanted. having an opportunity to draft a guy like Lynch.. AND having a window like 2016 with Fitz to bring him along - happens almost never in today's NFL. I'm trying really hard not to sing the "we blew it" song.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 29, 2016 10:50:07 GMT -5
Agree that it does not really matter now, but my thoughts always were that we were in a great position to re-sign Fitz for to start for another year or two and let a project like Lynch sit & learn behind him. Don't know what the Jets plan would have been (or will be if they take Hack), but its what i would have wanted. having an opportunity to draft a guy like Lynch.. AND having a window like 2016 with Fitz to bring him along - happens almost never in today's NFL. I'm trying really hard not to sing the "we blew it" song. Exactly, not only that but, you would be bringing him in with a roster that is ready to win. It's not like you would be starting him on team that finished 3-13 with a depleted roster. It was almost too good to be true....Lol
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2016 10:50:56 GMT -5
Agree that it does not really matter now, but my thoughts always were that we were in a great position to re-sign Fitz for to start for another year or two and let a project like Lynch sit & learn behind him. Don't know what the Jets plan would have been (or will be if they take Hack), but its what i would have wanted. having an opportunity to draft a guy like Lynch.. AND having a window like 2016 with Fitz to bring him along - happens almost never in today's NFL. I'm trying really hard not to sing the "we blew it" song. Right now, its time to vent. Lets get it all off our chests and get ready to be blown away by the brilliance of Macc tonight. Either that, or I may just need to spend more time in the craft beer thread getting ready for this evening.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 29, 2016 10:51:18 GMT -5
My short lists for today Round 2 1. Christian Hackenberg 2. Connor Cook 3. Kyler Fackrell 4. Cody Whitehair 5. Hunter Henry Round 3 1. Vadal Alexander 2. Nick Vannett 3. Kenny Lawler 4. Harlan Miller 5. Maliek Collins Cook over Hack for me. Where's Kamalei Correa and Spence? I'll keep your list handy for the 3rd. Forgot Spence was still around He might even top my list for the 2nd.
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Post by adpz on Apr 29, 2016 10:58:29 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken, the Jets have taken more QBs in the draft over the past 20 years or so than any other team - obviously not the best ones. So I don't think its a matter of avoiding the wide net. All I see getting everyone into Lynch is that a) the next-ben-roth articles on the web that took as long to write as they take to read and b) Denver picked him. I'd bet very strongly that if Den had passed on Lynch, there'd be litle hubbub in this forum over us passing on Lynch as well. And my point about Elway is that he can afford to have a project; that team is stacked and he has a hell of a lot of runway. Play keep-away from KC and hope you can develop PL to start in 3 years - sure, why not - what other hole were they plugging at the back of the first round anyhow? Taking PL in the 1st also gives you that extra 5th year - which would be important in PL case. First, there would be a bunch of us here complaining they passed on Lynch even if Denver didn't trade up. Second, I'm not sure why you think keeping Lynch away from KC had anything to do with them drafting him. Third, how can Denver afford to have a project and the Jets can't?? I get that Lynch isn't a sure thing, but your rationale as to why Denver took him makes little sense. Keeping Lynch away from KC didn't have anything to do with it? Why did Denver trade up the 5 spots then? Don't think Lynch was on KC board? Then why did KC trade right out of the 1st? It's a pointless argument - like the Melvin Ingram vs Quinton Coples kerfuffle a few years ago. At best, DEN got themselves a high-upside project they can start in two years at best. We'll see who was right on wrong then.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 29, 2016 11:04:00 GMT -5
First, there would be a bunch of us here complaining they passed on Lynch even if Denver didn't trade up. Second, I'm not sure why you think keeping Lynch away from KC had anything to do with them drafting him. Third, how can Denver afford to have a project and the Jets can't?? I get that Lynch isn't a sure thing, but your rationale as to why Denver took him makes little sense. Keeping Lynch away from KC didn't have anything to do with it? Why did Denver trade up the 5 spots then? Don't think Lynch was on KC board? Then why did KC trade right out of the 1st? It's a pointless argument - like the Melvin Ingram vs Quinton Coples kerfuffle a few years ago. At best, DEN got themselves a high-upside project they can start in two years at best. We'll see who was right on wrong then. They drafted Lynch because they think he can become a legit starting QB in this league. Not because they were afraid KC would draft him. They didn't say "well we don't really like him, but let's take him so KC doesn't get him". They traded up because they knew several teams were interested in front of them as well as other teams willing to trade back up for him at the end of the first.
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