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Post by HawkeyeJet on Apr 29, 2016 11:46:53 GMT -5
If it's time to vent, then let's vent. Mike - you're on notice. I can't have you starbucking your way through any more drafts you yuppy fuck. I dig what you do in FA, but like so many before you - you can't seem to clear your thick skull on draft day. You have to be fluid and understand not just what your board says, but what actually yields results on the field Last year Gurley puts us in the playoffs. Who knows, maybe more. Lynch... TBD But fuck me. Lynch and Gurley with Marshall, Decker and DGB? Bowles just has to work with the other 47 first round defensive players we already have. Triplets of Lynch, Gurley and DGB for the next 8 years. That's all well and good, but what if Lynch busts. The other two are not nearly as valuable. What did Gurley do to make Nick Foles better? Nothing. The thing in the QB argument I just don't get is that people always say it's the only way to win. That's simply not true. You can't win with a terrible one,but you can win with an average one. The easiest way to be a consistent winner is to get a great QB, I won't dispute that. That's easier said than done. Personal preference aside, Goff and Wentz are definitely not sure fire great QBs. Lynch certainly isn't one. So if you build your roster waiting for that great QB to come along, and he misses, that sets your franchise back more so than building a roster that can carry a guy like Fitz or who ever is a league average QB. I totally get the reasoning of wanting a QB, or a lot of offensive firepower, but in reality, 4 of the last 5 champs are closer to the Jets roster model than say the Packers, for instance.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 29, 2016 11:47:41 GMT -5
Someone needs to point to something concrete to why they are so convinced Lynch is the next Big Ben. Was it the 18 Wonderlic? Was it never having worked out of a huddle? Was it never having called protection? Was it getting beat badly by Auburn? Was it getting beat badly by Navy? Big Ben came in his first year and went 13-0. If Lynch started this year for DEN I bet DEN would have the first pick in the draft next season. Like I've said before I wasn't too high on Lynch, but I'd rather gamble on a QB project over a project hybrid player. Also the bolded part is just false. Payton Manning was horrrrrrrrilbe last year. He almost led the league in interceptions even after missing a ton of games. The Broncos defense was so good that they could have signed Testaverde and been competitive.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2016 11:49:26 GMT -5
Someone needs to point to something concrete to why they are so convinced Lynch is the next Big Ben. Was it the 18 Wonderlic? Was it never having worked out of a huddle? Was it never having called protection? Was it getting beat badly by Auburn? Was it getting beat badly by Navy? Big Ben came in his first year and went 13-0. If Lynch started this year for DEN I bet DEN would have the first pick in the draft next season. Never said that he was the next Big Ben. I just thought he has tools to be a potential franchise QB and the upside if you hit on that guy is huge. As to concrete facts, how about the guy's 70% accuracy percentage while under pressure. Tops in this draft class. How about an arm strong enough to fling the ball 50 yards downfield and force a defense to play the entire field and respect the deep throw. Arm strength to throw through the swirling winds at the Meadowlands. As to the Wonderlic, I don't give a rat's ass about that. 18 is higher than Jim Kelly and Dan Marino. Matt Leinart & Sam Bradford both had Wonderlic's in the mid 30s. What has that done for them. He fell to 20. I think he was worth a shot with our pick. Obviously the coaching staff didn't agree. They passed. I hope they are right.
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Post by Yankees45 on Apr 29, 2016 11:58:38 GMT -5
I like cook , only way we get him is if we trade up , dal and Browns ahead need qb, unless Mac likes hack the most this whole time then stay put
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Post by DowNY on Apr 29, 2016 12:05:17 GMT -5
Jets reportedly considered Payton Lynch a 3rd or 4th round talent.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 29, 2016 12:10:56 GMT -5
Triplets of Lynch, Gurley and DGB for the next 8 years. That's all well and good, but what if Lynch busts. The other two are not nearly as valuable. What did Gurley do to make Nick Foles better? Nothing. The thing in the QB argument I just don't get is that people always say it's the only way to win. That's simply not true. You can't win with a terrible one,but you can win with an average one. The easiest way to be a consistent winner is to get a great QB, I won't dispute that. That's easier said than done. Personal preference aside, Goff and Wentz are definitely not sure fire great QBs. Lynch certainly isn't one. So if you build your roster waiting for that great QB to come along, and he misses, that sets your franchise back more so than building a roster that can carry a guy like Fitz or who ever is a league average QB. I totally get the reasoning of wanting a QB, or a lot of offensive firepower, but in reality, 4 of the last 5 champs are closer to the Jets roster model than say the Packers, for instance. There's lots of ways to win a SB, that's true obviously... But it's a lot harder when you don't have a QB. The last 10 years, hell 15 years, it's largely been the usual suspects in the hunt or on the big stage. It takes more than just a QB to win a SB. sometimes things don't go your way and even a great qb doesn't cut it. But if you want a consistent shot at being on that stage - you need a Ben, a Rodgers, manning, Brees etc. Is lynch that guy? We'll see - but the glove certainly appeared to fit. This team was well set up to give him a chance.
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Post by 2foolish on Apr 29, 2016 12:11:29 GMT -5
We're taking Cook... Those road Mich St uni's remind me of Super Bowl III...
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Post by Touchable on Apr 29, 2016 12:19:06 GMT -5
I also don't think it's out of the question that the Jets could still end up trading for a QB like Bradford or Glennon.
Though my money would still be on them drafting Hackenberg tonight.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2016 12:24:23 GMT -5
Though my money would still be on them drafting Hackenberg tonight. The problem I would have with taking Hack or Cook tonight is that if you thought either guy could be a franchise QB who could lead the team for the next decade, you take him in the first and don't risk losing him. If you don't believe that much in either guy, then why bother. We already have a couple of longshots on the roster.
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Post by carlton on Apr 29, 2016 12:28:48 GMT -5
Though my money would still be on them drafting Hackenberg tonight. The problem I would have with taking Hack or Cook tonight is that if you thought either guy could be a franchise QB who could lead the team for the next decade, you take him in the first and don't risk losing him. If you don't believe that much in either guy, then why bother. We already have a couple of longshots on the roster. The fact that we were willing to trade up for Tunsil tells me we don't love either of those guys because it would have taken our 2nd round pick and, thus, we would have definitely not been able to get them.
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Post by jetssjumets on Apr 29, 2016 12:33:06 GMT -5
If I am going to take a QB that needs to develop but has tremendous upside, I am going with Cardale Jones. Just last year some had him projected as a top pick in the first round. Guy has a big time arm and delivered on the biggest stage in college football. By all accounts, he has all the physical tools just like Lynch. If he's there in the 3rd, I take him.
Meanwhile, let's see what VaGeno can do this season and Petty. At this point, Fitz can fvk off! He's not the long term solution anyway.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 29, 2016 12:34:27 GMT -5
Though my money would still be on them drafting Hackenberg tonight. The problem I would have with taking Hack or Cook tonight is that if you thought either guy could be a franchise QB who could lead the team for the next decade, you take him in the first and don't risk losing him. If you don't believe that much in either guy, then why bother. We already have a couple of longshots on the roster. That's where their current talent projects them to go right now, it doesn't mean they can't be developed into something better. If everyone applied that logic then every QB needy team would take every QB in the first and reach like the Bills did with Manual. If they too cook or Hack at 20 chances are Lee wasn't gonna last till the 2nd, in this scenario they walk away with Lee who went where he should and are within striking distance of a QB in the 2nd that could eventually be a pro bowl level player.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 29, 2016 12:35:38 GMT -5
I think more people are going to be pissed tonight lol
Because I could easily see us taking a CB like Fuller or Howard if they're still available.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2016 12:42:42 GMT -5
The problem I would have with taking Hack or Cook tonight is that if you thought either guy could be a franchise QB who could lead the team for the next decade, you take him in the first and don't risk losing him. If you don't believe that much in either guy, then why bother. We already have a couple of longshots on the roster. That's where their current talent projects them to go right now, it doesn't mean they can't be developed into something better. If everyone applied that logic then every QB needy team would take every QB in the first and reach like the Bills did with Manual. If they too cook or Hack at 20 chances are Lee wasn't gonna last till the 2nd, in this scenario they walk away with Lee who went where he should and are within striking distance of a QB in the 2nd that could eventually be a pro bowl level player. I would buy that argument if we were picking at the top of the 2nd. But we are 20th again today. If we thought there was a QB who could be a pro bowl player, we should have taken him yesterday because there is no guarantee that he will make it to 2-20. If we don't like the QB, and apparently we didn't like lynch, so be it. Let him go. Buffalo didn't take Manuel expecting him to bust. They thought he would be their franchise guy. They were wrong. It happens. In my view, if you need a QB, and there is a guy there that you like, you don't fuck around and hope he is there in the 2nd. if we missed out on Lee, maybe we get a guy like Cravens in the 2nd after picking our QB in the first. For all we know, they may not like any of these guys, in which case this whole discussion is moot.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 29, 2016 12:44:42 GMT -5
Because I could easily see us taking a CB like Fuller or Howard if they're still available. I don't think Fuller fits our scheme, but I'd rather take him over Cook or Hack. Right now I'm hoping for Round 2 Tyler Boyd WR, Pitt Sterling Shepard, WR OU Jerald Hawkins OT, LSU 3rd Round Jordan Jenkins OLB, UGA Justin Simmons S/CB, BC Yannik Ngakoue OLB, Maryland Kenneth Dixon RB, La Tech Eric Murray CB, Minnesota
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