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Post by Harrier on Apr 29, 2016 12:53:46 GMT -5
That's where their current talent projects them to go right now, it doesn't mean they can't be developed into something better. If everyone applied that logic then every QB needy team would take every QB in the first and reach like the Bills did with Manual. If they too cook or Hack at 20 chances are Lee wasn't gonna last till the 2nd, in this scenario they walk away with Lee who went where he should and are within striking distance of a QB in the 2nd that could eventually be a pro bowl level player. I would buy that argument if we were picking at the top of the 2nd. But we are 20th again today. If we thought there was a QB who could be a pro bowl player, we should have taken him yesterday because there is no guarantee that he will make it to 2-20. If we don't like the QB, and apparently we didn't like lynch, so be it. Let him go. Buffalo didn't take Manuel expecting him to bust. They thought he would be their franchise guy. They were wrong. It happens. In my view, if you need a QB, and there is a guy there that you like, you don't fuck around and hope he is there in the 2nd. if we missed out on Lee, maybe we get a guy like Cravens in the 2nd after picking our QB in the first. For all we know, they may not like any of these guys, in which case this whole discussion is moot. I get your point but they are obviously not lookin at hack or cook and fallin head over heels like the Rams and eagles did with Wentz and Goff, Macc is fully aware these are second tear guys so why reach for them if they can be had later? That said there's nothin stoppin them becoming or surpassing Wentz and Goff with the right coaching and scheme fit. The whole draft is risk, reward, value from start to finish, so hard to debate like you say because we have no clue what value Macc has on these guys.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2016 12:54:49 GMT -5
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Post by Paradis on Apr 29, 2016 13:17:23 GMT -5
Allen's being unjustly left out of the Cook/Hack conversations.. You folks who seem in favour of these tier 2 QBs seem to be overlooking Allen. Have you watched his games vs Ole Miss, Miss State, Texas AM?
He's not as polished as Cook per say, but he played huge in big games - something i can't say Cook did a lot. Allen balled out hard and the whole team on his back numerous times. He gets overlooked because of measurables and the assumption that Arkansas' running game did all the work.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 29, 2016 13:26:17 GMT -5
Allen's being unjustly left out of the Cook/Hack conversations.. You folks who seem in favour of these tier 2 QBs seem to be overlooking Allen. Have you watched his games vs Ole Miss, Miss State, Texas AM? He's not as polished as Cook per say, but he played huge in big games - something i can't say Cook did a lot. Allen balled out hard and the whole team on his back numerous times. He gets overlooked because of measurables and the assumption that Arkansas' running game did all the work. I like Allen, but I think the 2nd round is too high for him. Unlike Cook tho he got better every year. His first year was so bad Arkansas fans set his truck on fire. To his credit he gutted it out and continued to prove people wrong. I even watched those games you listed live. It was like a video game. He could do no wrong. He was going through his reads and finding the open man every time. People should definitely check them out. It was a joy to watch.
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Post by DowNY on Apr 29, 2016 13:29:32 GMT -5
Take it fwiw. According to Manish, we had Lynch graded as a 3rd or 4th rounder. Same grade they had on Petty last year. No reason to reach for same type of player.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 29, 2016 13:31:18 GMT -5
Allen's being unjustly left out of the Cook/Hack conversations.. You folks who seem in favour of these tier 2 QBs seem to be overlooking Allen. Have you watched his games vs Ole Miss, Miss State, Texas AM? He's not as polished as Cook per say, but he played huge in big games - something i can't say Cook did a lot. Allen balled out hard and the whole team on his back numerous times. He gets overlooked because of measurables and the assumption that Arkansas' running game did all the work. He's the only other QB outside of the consensus Top 5 that I would be okay with drafting. I agree with the "poor mans Drew Brees" comparisons that have been thrown around.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 29, 2016 13:32:32 GMT -5
Allen's being unjustly left out of the Cook/Hack conversations.. You folks who seem in favour of these tier 2 QBs seem to be overlooking Allen. Have you watched his games vs Ole Miss, Miss State, Texas AM? He's not as polished as Cook per say, but he played huge in big games - something i can't say Cook did a lot. Allen balled out hard and the whole team on his back numerous times. He gets overlooked because of measurables and the assumption that Arkansas' running game did all the work. I like Allen, but I think the 2nd round is too high for him. Unlike Cook tho he got better every year. His first year was so bad Arkansas fans set his truck on fire. To his credit he gutted it out and continued to prove people wrong. I even watched those games you listed live. It was like a video game. He could do no wrong. He was going through his reads and finding the open man every time. People should definitely check them out. It was a joy to watch. I think I nearly came during the Ole mIss game. It was like watching a movie climax. Huge throw after huge throw.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 13:33:07 GMT -5
And this is what I said very early this morning. The idea that Cook or Hack would be sitting at 20 for us is a huge gamble. Too many teams ahead of us wanting a QB and too many teams behind us that might jump ahead of us. If you didn't like Lynch at 20 you better be prepared to spend this years 2nd and 3rd as well as another pick....likely something in next years 3rd to move up and get Cook or Hack.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 29, 2016 13:34:58 GMT -5
Supposedly the Rams are fielding offers for Foles and it won't take much at all to land him.
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Post by Yankees45 on Apr 29, 2016 13:35:39 GMT -5
If we're gonna trade mo sadly do it now with tenn, jump dall and Browns , get cook or hack and load up on picks , and wit those picks we fill up our team, and keep our second and grab cravens , I would hate to see mo go but if that's what's needed then I'll live with it
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 29, 2016 13:38:36 GMT -5
I think I nearly came during the Ole mIss game. It was like watching a movie climax. Huge throw after huge throw. Same here. It was probably my favorite game of the season. Allen had to be perfect for them to win, and he was.
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Post by Yankees45 on Apr 29, 2016 13:39:10 GMT -5
Tho the thing I'm scared about cook is the Alabama game , that's the closest thing your gonna get to in college from a great nfl defense , that's one of the tests I use to evaluate qbs, he got destroyed but he'll need work it's possible that he can be good .
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 29, 2016 13:46:37 GMT -5
If we're gonna trade mo sadly do it now with tenn, jump dall and Browns , get cook or hack and load up on picks , and wit those picks we fill up our team, and keep our second and grab cravens , I would hate to see mo go but if that's what's needed then I'll live with it I like Cravens but where you going to play him? You already took a LB/S in the first and we have Pryor who kind of plays like that too.
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Post by sadface on Apr 29, 2016 13:47:54 GMT -5
Supposedly the Rams are fielding offers for Foles and it won't take much at all to land him. if wilkerson is to be traded, i would hope its to a team with a qb and picks, maybe tampa. cowboys wouldn't be a bad match either. they have a young guard they are trying to unload. wilkerson for a qb/ol and a few picks would be a good haul.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 29, 2016 13:48:57 GMT -5
I doubt Hunter Henry is there at #51 but if he is I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat.
Heath Miller 2.0
Would instantly become our best TE since Shuler.
Not a single drop on 50+ receptions last year.
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