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Post by Big L on Jun 16, 2016 11:41:57 GMT -5
Wow, teachers union protecting teachers rights? Craziness. Funding candidates that protect their rights? WTF! Teachers as a whole are the ONLY people saving public education at this point. The testing put in place from the top, as well as efforts to corrode teacher input (to push toward privitization) are what's to blame. Read all the books you want. I live and breathe it. For the most part teachers have been stripped of their rights to the point where they don't dare discipline a kid. Parents complain and sue at the drop of a hat. Teachers are told to keep their mouths shut. Troubled kids are shuffled from classroom to classroom on mommy and daddies request. We've had liberals and cons in charge since the new deal. I didn't notice any difference. And the folks most against year round schooling...parents. Trust me , I get it. My son in law was a teacher here in NC and quit. I couldnt/wouldnt be a teacher today for all the tea in China. Im simply stating that we have had a federal department of Education since the late 70's and education aptitude has fallen. Not fer nuthin, but I think NC schools rank next to last in the nation. Might not be a good comparison to make. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Jun 16, 2016 11:50:14 GMT -5
Trust me , I get it. My son in law was a teacher here in NC and quit. I couldnt/wouldnt be a teacher today for all the tea in China. Im simply stating that we have had a federal department of Education since the late 70's and education aptitude has fallen. Not fer nuthin, but I think NC schools rank next to last in the nation. Might not be a good comparison to make. I used to think that way too..until I saw all the kids here whose parents give a fukk and they go on to top schools like Carolina, Wake, Clemson NC State, Georgia. Beats the shit out of the average NY kid going to Oneonta and Fredonia. I lived in West Islip, touted for its "GREAT SCHOOLS", well only 65 percent go on to college at West Islip. Check out Weddington High Scool, and marvin Ridge High school. 2 schools near where I live. They both score very high on national rankings, well above West Islip. Full disclosure..I sent my children to private schools. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jun 16, 2016 12:15:07 GMT -5
Not fer nuthin, but I think NC schools rank next to last in the nation. Might not be a good comparison to make. I used to think that way too..until I saw all the kids here whose parents give a fukk and they go on to top schools like Carolina, Wake, Clemson NC State, Georgia. Beats the shit out of the average NY kid going to Oneonta and Fredonia. I lived in West Islip, touted for its "GREAT SCHOOLS", well only 65 percent go on to college at West Islip. Check out Weddington High Scool, and marvin Ridge High school. 2 schools near where I live. They both score very high on national rankings, well above West Islip. Full disclosure..I sent my children to private schools. And my public high school on Long Island has a 98% graduation rate, and sends on average 90% of graduates to a four year college, and another 7% to a 2 yr college. Were the teachers good? Yes. But most of the parents gave a damn, and success was expected. |
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Post by Peebag on Jun 16, 2016 12:30:46 GMT -5
don't care what the teachers are like, if the parents aren't engaged, it ain't happenin' for the kids.
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 16, 2016 12:40:16 GMT -5
Wow, teachers union protecting teachers rights? Craziness. Funding candidates that protect their rights? WTF! Teachers as a whole are the ONLY people saving public education at this point. The testing put in place from the top, as well as efforts to corrode teacher input (to push toward privitization) are what's to blame. Read all the books you want. I live and breathe it. For the most part teachers have been stripped of their rights to the point where they don't dare discipline a kid. Parents complain and sue at the drop of a hat. Teachers are told to keep their mouths shut. Troubled kids are shuffled from classroom to classroom on mommy and daddies request. We've had liberals and cons in charge since the new deal. I didn't notice any difference. And the folks most against year round schooling...parents. Trust me , I get it. My son in law was a teacher here in NC and quit. I couldnt/wouldnt be a teacher today for all the tea in China. Im simply stating that we have had a federal department of Education since the late 70's and education aptitude has fallen. Correlation does not imply causation.  But you have a point. The more red tape the worse things get. Teachers spend more time now on paperwork then you would believe. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Jun 16, 2016 12:57:19 GMT -5
I used to think that way too..until I saw all the kids here whose parents give a fukk and they go on to top schools like Carolina, Wake, Clemson NC State, Georgia. Beats the shit out of the average NY kid going to Oneonta and Fredonia. I lived in West Islip, touted for its "GREAT SCHOOLS", well only 65 percent go on to college at West Islip. Check out Weddington High Scool, and marvin Ridge High school. 2 schools near where I live. They both score very high on national rankings, well above West Islip. Full disclosure..I sent my children to private schools. And my public high school on Long Island has a 98% graduation rate, and sends on average 90% of graduates to a four year college, and another 7% to a 2 yr college. Were the teachers good? Yes. But most of the parents gave a damn, and success was expected. absolutely! When my kids were VERY young. I read to them on my lap. Loved it. I inquired about their homework etc.. both are very successful adults and went to top colleges. At their private school, some of their friends did OK, but not as good as kids from public schools whose parents demand from them. Parents in my view are the key. I went to Brentwood schools, but I did OK. My mom was a Nazi about our future. |
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Post by 32Green on Jun 16, 2016 12:58:42 GMT -5
His kind of people? ignorant? Brain washed? All you have to do is read (asking alot of you) the comments from his own students past and present to see that he has the type of respect a drug addled, authority bashing drifter such as yourself will never garner from anyone.... I know this guy. He cares much more about the education of those kids (especially the one he was dealing with) than the administrators that suspended him. They care about how they are perceived and would much rather allow this kid to wander off into the world undisciplined and angry than to risk an accusation of racism...even though it was the kid that injected the N word into the debate. Its liberal pandering horse-shyte at its worst..because it does nothing for the kids and cloaks the administrators in a warm feel-good bath of do-gooding and high-horsed posturing. AND...its fvcking racist...the ultimate irony...because it pre-supposes that this kid is some sort of inferior victim who needs coddling and should be shielded from the standards of discipline his schoolmates are held to. (like much liberal doctrine) If you get a chance, Read the book..."Outliers" and "Wealth, Poverty and Economics" by Thomas Sowell. Both point to very tangible research that absolutely backs your point. The poor (and I was) stay poor under liberal doctrine. It indirectly criticizes the NEA and other groupsas being in it for the teachers and it shows direct evidence which points to the education gap widening and it can be lessened by year round schooling but that never gets past certain education groups and lobbys. Regardless where we stand, the education gap has been widening since the new deal, our country as a whole from an education point is falling. Yet this kid can drop the N word to a teacher? Realistically, these teachers unions continue to heavily fund very liberal candidates so its a real conundrum. Fan of Sowell and appreciate the recommendation but the whole subject so infuriates me I basically dont even give a shyte any more... |
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Post by Jets Things on Jun 16, 2016 13:42:18 GMT -5
If you get a chance, Read the book..."Outliers" and "Wealth, Poverty and Economics" by Thomas Sowell. Both point to very tangible research that absolutely backs your point. The poor (and I was) stay poor under liberal doctrine. It indirectly criticizes the NEA and other groupsas being in it for the teachers and it shows direct evidence which points to the education gap widening and it can be lessened by year round schooling but that never gets past certain education groups and lobbys. Regardless where we stand, the education gap has been widening since the new deal, our country as a whole from an education point is falling. Yet this kid can drop the N word to a teacher? Realistically, these teachers unions continue to heavily fund very liberal candidates so its a real conundrum. Fan of Sowell and appreciate the recommendation but the whole subject so infuriates me I basically dont even give a shyte any more... You gonna retreat into your bubble now? |
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Post by 32Green on Jun 16, 2016 14:28:58 GMT -5
Fan of Sowell and appreciate the recommendation but the whole subject so infuriates me I basically dont even give a shyte any more... You gonna retreat into your bubble now? shut yer fook up |
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