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Post by crossfire on Jul 12, 2016 12:05:20 GMT -5
That is a common perception so I really won't argue with you. I am not a big believer in Geno. I have seen flashes of good play and loads of horse-shit play and moronic decisions. With that said... Fitz sucks. He always has. ALWAYS!!! This guy plays like shit, then has a "decent" year, gets paid and then plays like shit again. Paying him a lot of money is like going to see the Titanic movie and betting big money the fucking ship won't sink. The Jets are offering him $24 million and in my opinion, that could be better used elsewhere. Now I'm not saying Geno is going to be great but I honestly don't think he is much, if any worse than Fitz. He had Fitz beaten in the preseason last year before being a dumbass and losing his job. But I give him credit for acting like a professional after that. Not a ton of credit, but credit none the less. Geno can throw the deep ball and Fitz can't. Yeah, Fitz had a career year last year playing with great receivers. Geno never played with great receivers. And yes, Geno can also throw interceptions. But even in Fitz's "career year"... against an easy schedule... we all saw a shitload of balls he threw that should have been interceptions but were dropped. He culminated that "career year" by shitting the bed in the biggest game of his career with... not one.... not two... but three 4th quarter interceptions against the bills. With all due disrespect to Quigley, Fitz flushed our season down the shitter. Again, I'm not jumping on the Geno bandwagon and I wouldn't be shocked if he started and had a bad season, especially with the difficulty of the first half schedule. But I've just never been on the Fitz bandwagon and I'd rather see the money used elsewhere. Now if Fitz is the QB, I will definitely root for him. But I'll be wearing my life jacket and hanging out by the lifeboats because the iceberg awaits.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Jul 12, 2016 12:37:54 GMT -5
That is a common perception so I really won't argue with you. I am not a big believer in Geno. I have seen flashes of good play and loads of horse-shit play and moronic decisions. With that said... Fitz sucks. He always has. ALWAYS!!! This guy plays like shit, then has a "decent" year, gets paid and then plays like shit again. Paying him a lot of money is like going to see the Titanic movie and betting big money the fucking ship won't sink. The Jets are offering him $24 million and in my opinion, that could be better used elsewhere. Now I'm not saying Geno is going to be great but I honestly don't think he is much, if any worse than Fitz. He had Fitz beaten in thew preseason last year before being a dumbass and losing his job. But I give him credit for acting like a professional after that. Not a ton of credit, but credit none the less. Geno can throw the deep ball and Fitz can't. Yeah, Fitz had a career year last year playing with great receivers. Geno never played with great receivers. And yes, Geno can also throw interceptions. But even in Fitz's "career year"... against an easy schedule... we all saw a shitload of balls he threw that should have been interceptions but were dropped. He culminated that "career year" by shitting the bed in the biggest game of his career with... not one.... not two... but three 4th quarter interceptions against the bills. With all due disrespect to Quigley, Fitz flushed our season down the shitter. Again, I'm not jumping on the Geno bandwagon and I wouldn't be shocked if he started and had a bad season, especially with the difficulty of the first half schedule. But I've just never been on the Fitz bandwagon and I'd rather see the money used elsewhere. Now if Fitz is the QB, I will definitely root for him. But I'll be wearing my life jacket and hanging out by the lifeboats because the iceberg awaits. then we suck. 7-9 here we come...... maybe
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Post by crossfire on Jul 12, 2016 12:56:30 GMT -5
then we suck. 7-9 here we come...... maybe I always try to go into the season with optimism. I honestly believe that our team is good enough to overcome average QB play and I think both QBs could potentially play average to above average. Am I betting they'll make the playoffs? No. But I would not be surprised if they do. Personally, I think Geno has a much higher ceiling but unfortunately a much lower floor. Fitz has a low ceiling but higher floor. And we saw that even when he got to that ceiling, his floor rose up to crush us. I say save the money, start Geno and hope for the best.
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Post by greenwave on Jul 12, 2016 13:13:11 GMT -5
then we suck. 7-9 here we come...... maybe I always try to go into the season with optimism. I honestly believe that our team is good enough to overcome average QB play and I think both QBs could potentially play average to above average. Am I betting they'll make the playoffs? No. But I would not be surprised if they do. Personally, I think Geno a much higher ceiling but unfortunately a much lower floor. Fitz has a low ceiling but higher floor. And we saw that even when he got to that ceiling, his floor rose up to crush us. I say save the money, start Geno and hope for the best. A few good posts in here, but this one is the winner. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by rangerous on Jul 12, 2016 20:02:20 GMT -5
Willie Colon was on SNY Sunday and said at a certain point the Jets need to move on because it wasn't fair to Geno. I was a little surprised he said that to be honest. The first crack in the wall. Go Geno! totally agree with this. at some point fitz should just not be allowed to come back. the team needs to start gelling around a qb and if it's genot then so be it. maybe waht the jets need to do is offer fitz a one year for 8 million. alternatively they could go up to maybe 3 years for 30 but they need to have a hard deadline at this point.
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Post by rangerous on Jul 12, 2016 20:07:35 GMT -5
That is a common perception so I really won't argue with you. I am not a big believer in Geno. I have seen flashes of good play and loads of horse-shit play and moronic decisions. With that said... Fitz sucks. He always has. ALWAYS!!! This guy plays like shit, then has a "decent" year, gets paid and then plays like shit again. Paying him a lot of money is like going to see the Titanic movie and betting big money the fucking ship won't sink. The Jets are offering him $24 million and in my opinion, that could be better used elsewhere. Now I'm not saying Geno is going to be great but I honestly don't think he is much, if any worse than Fitz. He had Fitz beaten in thew preseason last year before being a dumbass and losing his job. But I give him credit for acting like a professional after that. Not a ton of credit, but credit none the less. Geno can throw the deep ball and Fitz can't. Yeah, Fitz had a career year last year playing with great receivers. Geno never played with great receivers. And yes, Geno can also throw interceptions. But even in Fitz's "career year"... against an easy schedule... we all saw a shitload of balls he threw that should have been interceptions but were dropped. He culminated that "career year" by shitting the bed in the biggest game of his career with... not one.... not two... but three 4th quarter interceptions against the bills. With all due disrespect to Quigley, Fitz flushed our season down the shitter. Again, I'm not jumping on the Geno bandwagon and I wouldn't be shocked if he started and had a bad season, especially with the difficulty of the first half schedule. But I've just never been on the Fitz bandwagon and I'd rather see the money used elsewhere. Now if Fitz is the QB, I will definitely root for him. But I'll be wearing my life jacket and hanging out by the lifeboats because the iceberg awaits. then we suck. 7-9 here we come...... maybe genot has a ton of phsical talent but not much upstairs. he was making far too many stupid mistakes. the one time he came in last season showed him to be pretty lackadaisacal. i don't think he's ever run a two minute drill that didn't take 3 minutes. if the jet defense plays as well as they should and genot corrects some of his problems then they could surprise. imo there is some truth to genot not playing with really good receivers. the jets offense is much improved since genot last started.
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Post by Gunnails on Jul 12, 2016 20:15:15 GMT -5
I don't know that the Jets have run out of time or have to make a decision yet to sign Fitz.
IMHO according to reports the Jets have made a reasonable offer to Fitz and if any thing I hope they lower it as time goes by.
I truly enjoyed Fitz on the Jets for most all of the season last year, good times. But count me in the fuck Fitz camp. I rather take a swing with Geno then fall short again with Fitz.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jul 12, 2016 21:06:30 GMT -5
Fitz will be a Jet this season, that I am sure of and it's just a matter of time. Personally I'd rather see Geno given a chance because Fitz is not the answer. Every year the goal should be the Lombardi and if players are not part of the answer they end up being part of the problem. I'd rather this team go down in flames with Geno than tread water with a perennial loser like Fitz. Winning 8-10 games a year only hampers our ability to draft players that can change that culture. to me it looks less and less likely that Fitz will be QB. of course I guess it could happen right before TC starts but why waste all this time in the interim with all the doubt swirling? if it doesn't happen by TC then I doubt it will happen unless Geno breaks a bone again. And what would change in their respective positions to allow them both to save face and come to an agreement?
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Post by JetBidi on Jul 12, 2016 21:38:37 GMT -5
to me it looks less and less likely that Fitz will be QB. of course I guess it could happen right before TC starts but why waste all this time in the interim with all the doubt swirling? if it doesn't happen by TC then I doubt it will happen unless Geno breaks a bone again. And what would change in their respective positions to allow them both to save face and come to an agreement? I agree with this. The talking heads say they'll magically reach an agreement right before training camp starts. I don't see it happening unless Fitz caves. The Jets don't "need" Fitz... as in they're not doomed without him. I think they saw enough of Fitz last year when he choked against Buffalo. They had to make an offer otherwise the talking heads would've gone nuts saying the Jets are so stupid to not offer Fitz any contract. I think they made it intentionally "low" so that Fitz wouldn't take it and the Jets could move on. It would've been a bonus if he took the low offer, but I think the Jets intention was always to move on from Fitz. He's not the future.
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Post by RobR on Jul 12, 2016 21:51:29 GMT -5
Fitz will be a Jet this season, that I am sure of and it's just a matter of time. Personally I'd rather see Geno given a chance because Fitz is not the answer. Every year the goal should be the Lombardi and if players are not part of the answer they end up being part of the problem. I'd rather this team go down in flames with Geno than tread water with a perennial loser like Fitz. Winning 8-10 games a year only hampers our ability to draft players that can change that culture. to me it looks less and less likely that Fitz will be QB. of course I guess it could happen right before TC starts but why waste all this time in the interim with all the doubt swirling? if it doesn't happen by TC then I doubt it will happen unless Geno breaks a bone again. And what would change in their respective positions to allow them both to save face and come to an agreement? Fitz will definitely be back and if he isn't on the roster come opening day bring this post up and serve me some crow. It doesn't taste good although I've had it before. There's a reason why nothing has happened on the MO front and our 20th overall draft pick is still unsigned. It was reported months ago that there was an agreement in place, Fitz is still hanging out with his Jets teammates. Reading between the lines I think Fitz is giving Mac and the Jets their due time to get the salary cap in shape because it's already a mess right now.
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Post by Harrier on Jul 13, 2016 1:48:38 GMT -5
Fitz will be a Jet this season, that I am sure of and it's just a matter of time. Personally I'd rather see Geno given a chance because Fitz is not the answer. Every year the goal should be the Lombardi and if players are not part of the answer they end up being part of the problem. I'd rather this team go down in flames with Geno than tread water with a perennial loser like Fitz. Winning 8-10 games a year only hampers our ability to draft players that can change that culture. to me it looks less and less likely that Fitz will be QB. of course I guess it could happen right before TC starts but why waste all this time in the interim with all the doubt swirling? if it doesn't happen by TC then I doubt it will happen unless Geno breaks a bone again. And what would change in their respective positions to allow them both to save face and come to an agreement? I've been sayin it for months, I really believe Mac and Bowles couldn't give two shits about Fitz comin back, they're football men and the fact they won't succumb to his demands speaks volumes of what they really think of him. They will have seen his inconsistencies and limited capability first hand day in and day out and I really think they have seen enough, they probably want to open up the playbook even more with some deep plays this year. This stinks of pacifying the media and fanbase to look like they have exhausted all options to bring him back because that's what's seen as the right thing to do in the eyes of the majority. I really do believe they're happy with Geno at a bargain rate until Hack is ready. I'm gonna be mortified if they let Fitz just waltz back In here and pick up where he left off.
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Post by Big L on Jul 13, 2016 6:07:16 GMT -5
What about Petty? He was the savior a few months ago
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Post by tkasper01 on Jul 13, 2016 6:39:20 GMT -5
to me it looks less and less likely that Fitz will be QB. of course I guess it could happen right before TC starts but why waste all this time in the interim with all the doubt swirling? if it doesn't happen by TC then I doubt it will happen unless Geno breaks a bone again. And what would change in their respective positions to allow them both to save face and come to an agreement? I agree with this. The talking heads say they'll magically reach an agreement right before training camp starts. I don't see it happening unless Fitz caves. The Jets don't "need" Fitz... as in they're not doomed without him. I think they saw enough of Fitz last year when he choked against Buffalo. They had to make an offer otherwise the talking heads would've gone nuts saying the Jets are so stupid to not offer Fitz any contract. I think they made it intentionally "low" so that Fitz wouldn't take it and the Jets could move on. It would've been a bonus if he took the low offer, but I think the Jets intention was always to move on from Fitz. He's not the future. I do not see 12m in year one a low offer for a player of his history. This really is a one year deal for 12 million. Should he be paid as much as Luck? Big Ben? I agree with the sentiment that we go with Geno if this guy refuses to sign. I think Mac should call his agent and say the offer goes does down by 250k a week starting next week, Monday, and then 250k per day once camp starts and then hold to it.
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Post by rangerous on Jul 13, 2016 6:47:50 GMT -5
I agree with this. The talking heads say they'll magically reach an agreement right before training camp starts. I don't see it happening unless Fitz caves. The Jets don't "need" Fitz... as in they're not doomed without him. I think they saw enough of Fitz last year when he choked against Buffalo. They had to make an offer otherwise the talking heads would've gone nuts saying the Jets are so stupid to not offer Fitz any contract. I think they made it intentionally "low" so that Fitz wouldn't take it and the Jets could move on. It would've been a bonus if he took the low offer, but I think the Jets intention was always to move on from Fitz. He's not the future. I do not see 12m in year one a low offer for a player of his history. This really is a one year deal for 12 million. Should he be paid as much as Luck? Big Ben? I agree with the sentiment that we go with Geno if this guy refuses to sign. I think Mac should call his agent and say the offer goes does down by 250k a week starting next week, Monday, and then 250k per day once camp starts and then hold to it. i don't see 12 million alow offer either however, the one year nature means it really hampers the jets this year with regard to the cap. i'm pretty sure mac is looking at wilkerson and wondering where he's going to get the cap money and giving 12 million to fitz may be putting a front loaded contract out of reach for wilk.
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Post by greenwave on Jul 13, 2016 7:53:00 GMT -5
to me it looks less and less likely that Fitz will be QB. of course I guess it could happen right before TC starts but why waste all this time in the interim with all the doubt swirling? if it doesn't happen by TC then I doubt it will happen unless Geno breaks a bone again. And what would change in their respective positions to allow them both to save face and come to an agreement? Fitz will definitely be back and if he isn't on the roster come opening day bring this post up and serve me some crow. It doesn't taste good although I've had it before. There's a reason why nothing has happened on the MO front and our 20th overall draft pick is still unsigned. It was reported months ago that there was an agreement in place, Fitz is still hanging out with his Jets teammates. Reading between the lines I think Fitz is giving Mac and the Jets their due time to get the salary cap in shape because it's already a mess right now. Honest question here - what is it that Mac can do to get the cap in shape between now and TC? Your scenario sounds reasonable, but what are the moves that can be made within 20 days?
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