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Post by Trades on Sept 26, 2016 8:32:00 GMT -5
No matter who we drafted they would have signed and played Fitz. Plain and simple. No one is willing to take a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 8:49:30 GMT -5
I'm fine with this....completely fine. I've said it constantly in the offseason. Everyone thinks this is a win now team...it's not, because of the QB play. It's an old team that the front office is trying to keep competitive while also trying to slowly rebuild. We have a future in the front 7. But the offense and the secondary still needs to be rebuilt.
This is a going to be a long process.
On the bright side, D. Lee has looked pretty good so far.
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Post by Paradis on Sept 27, 2016 10:48:36 GMT -5
I shouldn't have put Lynch's or even Hack's name in the thread - it detracts from the point, and makes it about them. When the band aide is all used up and begins to be a burden, you want to turn to the young guy you've been hiding. We spend all of 2015 "scouting"... and here we are. On a week where NE finds a way to get what they need out of a 3rd round project, we couldn't seem to get anything out of a 12 mil dollar signee and staff who had 10 days to prepare for the most predictable offense in america. Would you rather have Lynch and Su'a Cravens or Lee and Hackenberg?? Feels like such an obvious answer.
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Post by mrcoops on Sept 27, 2016 11:10:22 GMT -5
Neither of them have thrown an NFL pass that counts at this point. Way too early for this.
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Post by Paradis on Sept 27, 2016 13:30:44 GMT -5
Neither of them have thrown an NFL pass that counts at this point. Way too early for this. Neither has Vernon Adams, doesn't mean you can't prognosticate about the likelihood of success.
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Post by rangerous on Sept 27, 2016 17:08:04 GMT -5
I shouldn't have put Lynch's or even Hack's name in the thread - it detracts from the point, and makes it about them. When the band aide is all used up and begins to be a burden, you want to turn to the young guy you've been hiding. We spend all of 2015 "scouting"... and here we are. On a week where NE finds a way to get what they need out of a 3rd round project, we couldn't seem to get anything out of a 12 mil dollar signee and staff who had 10 days to prepare for the most predictable offense in america. wait a second. when you start bringing up the patsies as far as qb's go it really skews the argument. the patsies have a good tradition of inning right now and they have the team concept that can absorb a below average qb for a couple of games and still win. as for taking lynch, remember he's still sitting on the bench with the broncos prefering to start that qb stalwart trevor siemian (where'd he come from?). at think at this stage of the season i am happier with darrin lee than lynch even if it means having hackenberg sitting for a season or two. although i do agree there seem to be quite a few first year and rookie qb's starting and doing well at the moment and who knows what would've happened if the jets chose one of those guys over what they have. as for the kc game, i think everyone should be pissed and rightfully so. they went out there and laid a collective egg. i'm not ready to drop the whole blame on fitz simply because of the fumbles and the apparent inability of the wr's to get open. i also think that even though forte is doing a darn good job, some of those runs, had they been by ivory, would've been for much longer gains.,
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Post by vin on Sept 27, 2016 18:07:01 GMT -5
Neither of them have thrown an NFL pass that counts at this point. Way too early for this. Neither has Vernon Adams, doesn't mean you can't prognosticate about the likelihood of success. man...I really hope they all bust. Why? Because your 'same old jets' routine pisses me off. That's why.
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Post by maury77 on Sept 27, 2016 22:17:13 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter at this point. I HATED the Hack pick as much as anyone, but at this point, we are almost compelled to have to wait until year 3 to see what we have with him. I liked Lynch, but he isn't exactly Andrew Luck either.
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Post by Aussie Jet on Sept 28, 2016 2:56:08 GMT -5
And to be fair, Prescott is only playing because Romo hurt himself in pre-season again. Jerry Jones is on record that he would love to have traded up to take Lynch but couldn't do so because he couldn't swing the deal.
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Post by maury77 on Sept 28, 2016 6:16:42 GMT -5
Here is Aaron Rodgers while at Cal:
His throwing motion now looks significantly different, so there are examples of Qbs that can successfully overhaul their mechanics in the NFL. Again, I don't think Hack is ultimately going to be our answer at QB, but reclamation projects are not unprecedented and you are going to torture yourself if you keep agonizing over the decision to pick him in the second. Besides, I thought Sanchez and Geno were both good prospects, so I obviously know dick about evaluating Qbs.
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Post by I definitely have a cock~~~ on Sept 28, 2016 12:40:37 GMT -5
cheers ~ ~
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Post by sec.101row23 on Sept 28, 2016 14:55:03 GMT -5
Here is Aaron Rodgers while at Cal: His throwing motion now looks significantly different, so there are examples of Qbs that can successfully overhaul their mechanics in the NFL. Again, I don't think Hack is ultimately going to be our answer at QB, but reclamation projects are not unprecedented and you are going to torture yourself if you keep agonizing over the decision to pick him in the second. Besides, I thought Sanchez and Geno were both good prospects, so I obviously know dick about evaluating Qbs. Rodgers isn't a great example to use, it was Jeff Tedford at Cal who tweaked his delivery by having him hold the ball slightly higher to quicken his release. He already had great footwork, accuracy and arm strength. Rodgers felt like he was too robotic though and actually reverted back to his more natural motion and ball position after he left Cal. Rodgers was FAR from a reclamation project nor did he have to overhaul his mechanics. Even with his more unnatural throwing motion he completed 66% of his passes in college.
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Post by maury77 on Sept 28, 2016 15:11:16 GMT -5
Here is Aaron Rodgers while at Cal: His throwing motion now looks significantly different, so there are examples of Qbs that can successfully overhaul their mechanics in the NFL. Again, I don't think Hack is ultimately going to be our answer at QB, but reclamation projects are not unprecedented and you are going to torture yourself if you keep agonizing over the decision to pick him in the second. Besides, I thought Sanchez and Geno were both good prospects, so I obviously know dick about evaluating Qbs. Rodgers isn't a great example to use, it was Jeff Tedford at Cal who tweaked his delivery by having him hold the ball slightly higher to quicken his release. He already had great footwork, accuracy and arm strength. Rodgers felt like he was too robotic though and actually reverted back to his more natural motion and ball position after he left Cal. Rodgers was FAR from a reclamation project nor did he have to overhaul his mechanics. Even with his more unnatural throwing motion he completed 66% of his passes in college. By the same token, we do know that Stewart's staff tweaked Hackenberg's footwork at Penn State. That was discussed during Gruden's QB camp with Hackenberg. During Hack's freshman year, his completion percentage was 59%, hardly stellar, but he was a freshman.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Sept 28, 2016 15:16:51 GMT -5
Rodgers isn't a great example to use, it was Jeff Tedford at Cal who tweaked his delivery by having him hold the ball slightly higher to quicken his release. He already had great footwork, accuracy and arm strength. Rodgers felt like he was too robotic though and actually reverted back to his more natural motion and ball position after he left Cal. Rodgers was FAR from a reclamation project nor did he have to overhaul his mechanics. Even with his more unnatural throwing motion he completed 66% of his passes in college. By the same token, we do know that Stewart's staff tweaked Hackenberg's footwork at Penn State. That was discussed during Gruden's QB camp with Hackenberg. During Hack's freshman year, his completion percentage was 59%, hardly stellar, but he was a freshman. My point is more that Rodgers didn't NEED to make changes coming into the NFL, he was throwing the ball fine, he just wasn't as comfortable as he wanted to be. Hack NEEDS to make changes because his results and performance is not where it needs to be.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Sept 28, 2016 15:28:28 GMT -5
Here is Aaron Rodgers while at Cal: His throwing motion now looks significantly different, so there are examples of Qbs that can successfully overhaul their mechanics in the NFL. Again, I don't think Hack is ultimately going to be our answer at QB, but reclamation projects are not unprecedented and you are going to torture yourself if you keep agonizing over the decision to pick him in the second. Besides, I thought Sanchez and Geno were both good prospects, so I obviously know dick about evaluating Qbs. Rodgers isn't a great example to use, it was Jeff Tedford at Cal who tweaked his delivery by having him hold the ball slightly higher to quicken his release. He already had great footwork, accuracy and arm strength. Rodgers felt like he was too robotic though and actually reverted back to his more natural motion and ball position after he left Cal. Rodgers was FAR from a reclamation project nor did he have to overhaul his mechanics. Even with his more unnatural throwing motion he completed 66% of his passes in college. I know this isn't the point you are making, but the 66% for Rodgers came as a Junior after his second year under Tedford. His first season under Tedfor is strikingly similar to Hackenburg under O'Brien. Who knows where Hackenberg progressed if O'Brien stays.
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