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Post by jetstream23 on Oct 10, 2016 2:48:09 GMT -5
Do we think he's hearing it from Macc? Like are they having a sit down every Monday to discuss his performance?
At least Rex had two good years before heading down the shitter. We got 15 games out of Bowles.
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Post by jetstream23 on Oct 10, 2016 2:50:47 GMT -5
Agreed, yet I was crucified on here for calling Forte slow earlier. 30+ year old RB's with a million carries should be avoided like the plague. A good idea would be to draft a RB.....like every other team. Just seems to be the philosophy of this team, regardless of who the GM is: Thomas Jones, Ladainian Tomlinson, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte. We just keep bringing in these formerly great playesr who are past their prime and hope they find the fountain of youth. RB is a young man's position. I am pretty sure we are the only team in the NFL that has not drafted a RB in the last 5 drafts (not counting Tommy Bohanon who is a fullback). With the depth in this year's draft, we have to dip into that pool. Also, signing Forte likely cost us a comp pick for losing Ivory. Never liked the move at the time -- still don't. Not many effective 30+ year old RBs in this league. It might work if we had a stud, steamrolling offensive line that could make a 30 yr old RB look like he was 26.....but we don't have anything close to that. At what point does the locker room start to fall apart? At what point do players look at Marshall and think he's lost credibility? Are we already seeing players start to play lazy and sloppy because they don't even trust the gameplan?
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Post by Paradis on Oct 10, 2016 2:51:00 GMT -5
Do we think he's hearing it from Macc? Like are they having a sit down every Monday to discuss his performance? At least Rex had two good years before heading down the shitter. We got 15 games out of Bowles. I don't think we got 15... we got a couple dozen good quarters. We played pathetic competition for the most part, rarely dominated -- and never put 4 quarters together in one game. This is what 2015 would have looked like without the cupcake schedule.
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Post by The Turk on Oct 10, 2016 6:01:48 GMT -5
Well since there seems to be a lot of people on board with this idea, it's time to ask the question. Who would you want? I have a feeling I'll get crushed for this one, but my first call would be to McDaniels. He has experience as a HC(though limited and not particularly good). I think he's extremely smart and would learn from his previous mistakes. A close, and very close second for me would be Sean McDermott. Agree on McDaniels but I've also been very impressed with Kyle Shannanigans this year. That offense is unbelievable. If I'm woody I tell Mac there is only one red line; I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER DC as HC. Parcells, Groh, Edwards, Mangini, Rex, Bowles. I mean come on!
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Post by nyjets1969 on Oct 10, 2016 6:05:16 GMT -5
I got give the guy to a least the end of this season firing him right now is not going to change things. I said this team was going to have bad season with this tough schedule. I think unless you get a guy like Bill cowher. You let him play out the year maybe even next year until you have a real candidate for coach firing Bowles is not going to fix this.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 10, 2016 6:10:21 GMT -5
Do we think he's hearing it from Macc? Like are they having a sit down every Monday to discuss his performance? At least Rex had two good years before heading down the shitter. We got 15 games out of Bowles. I don't think we got 15... we got a couple dozen good quarters. We played pathetic competition for the most part, rarely dominated -- and never put 4 quarters together in one game. This is what 2015 would have looked like without the cupcake schedule. Something has fallen apart since last year. This year we are the pathetic competition
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Post by DDNYjets on Oct 10, 2016 6:29:02 GMT -5
I don't think we got 15... we got a couple dozen good quarters. We played pathetic competition for the most part, rarely dominated -- and never put 4 quarters together in one game. This is what 2015 would have looked like without the cupcake schedule. Something has fallen apart since last year. This year we are the pathetic competition A QB the is playing more like himself and a secondary that can't compete with anyone right now. And a DL that hasn't sniffed a QB since Week 1. Fatcessa says the two places you lose a game quickest in this league is QB and CB. Maybe he is right.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 10, 2016 6:45:26 GMT -5
Something has fallen apart since last year. This year we are the pathetic competition A QB the is playing more like himself and a secondary that can't compete with anyone right now. And a DL that hasn't sniffed a QB since Week 1. Fatcessa says the two places you lose a game quickest in this league is QB and CB. Maybe he is right. Yes but why. Something has fallen apart, with the same QB same CB and same DL
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Post by sec.101row23 on Oct 10, 2016 6:45:31 GMT -5
I don't think we got 15... we got a couple dozen good quarters. We played pathetic competition for the most part, rarely dominated -- and never put 4 quarters together in one game. This is what 2015 would have looked like without the cupcake schedule. Something has fallen apart since last year. This year we are the pathetic competition I thinks it's pretty obvious. Last year you had a journeyman QB have a career year for a first year head coach. They caught a lot of teams by surprise while playing an easier schedule. Now this year you have a QB who isn't playing anywhere close to the level he was last year and a league that has watched all the tape from last year and have figured out how to defend this offense. Same goes for the defense, the book is out on Bowles, this is where great, even good coaches realize this and make the appropriate adjustments. Bowles has not. The bigger problem IMO, is where this goes from here. Look at the ages of the starters on offense, then look at the youth that is behind them, it's pretty bare. No young O-line prospects, no RBs, aside from Enunwa very little WR depth, and oh yea some giant question marks at QB. I know Bowles is front and center of the criticism right now, but Maccagnan shoulders a lot of this as well. He assembled an aging win now type roster as if he had a Drew Brees at QB, he doesn't and now it looks like we heading for a gutting of the roster.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 10, 2016 6:50:30 GMT -5
Something has fallen apart since last year. This year we are the pathetic competition I thinks it's pretty obvious. Last year you had a journeyman QB have a career year for a first year head coach. They caught a lot of teams by surprise while playing an easier schedule. Now this year you have a QB who isn't playing anywhere close to the level he was last year and a league that has watched all the tape from last year and have figured out how to defend this offense. Same goes for the defense, the book is out on Bowles, this is where great, even good coaches realize this and make the appropriate adjustments. Bowles has not. The bigger problem IMO, is where this goes from here. Look at the ages of the starters on offense, then look at the youth that is behind them, it's pretty bare. No young O-line prospects, no RBs, aside from Enunwa very little WR depth, and oh yea some giant question marks at QB. I know Bowles is front and center of the criticism right now, but Maccagnan shoulders a lot of this as well. He assembled an aging win now type roster as if he had a Drew Brees at QB, he doesn't and now it looks like we heading for a gutting of the roster. I think the plan was to do well for the first two years with a win now roster , thus achieving credibility with the fans which would have given them the free rein to start the upcoming rebuild. Except this season has gone off the rails
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Post by DDNYjets on Oct 10, 2016 6:57:02 GMT -5
A QB the is playing more like himself and a secondary that can't compete with anyone right now. And a DL that hasn't sniffed a QB since Week 1. Fatcessa says the two places you lose a game quickest in this league is QB and CB. Maybe he is right. Yes but why. Something has fallen apart, with the same QB same CB and same DL The book is out on us. Nobody is getting surprised and we are making more mistakes. We danced between raindrops a lot last year. Overcame Bowles' brainfarts and Fitz played well above his pedigree. None of that is happening this year. We are playing better teams. I had us at 6-10 with 4-12 being more likely than 8-8. And that was mainly bc I felt Fitz would not be able to duplicate his play from last year. But I wasn't expecting this much of a regression on defense. We just haven't adapted and that is on Bowles. I am aware of his obvious shortcomings. I have been criticizing him since last year about those. I want to give him a chance to see if he can fight his way out of this. I think the fact that I wasn't expecting this season to be a good one anyway is why I haven't been as hard on him yet.
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Post by maury77 on Oct 10, 2016 7:34:20 GMT -5
You have to consider the past 2 seasons to put this year into context.
In 2014, Idzik put into effect a plan to maximize the team's cap space. They went into the season with a bunch of cap space available and what happened? The media crucified the team for not using the cap space, fans started flying "Fire Idzik" banners and the rest of history. Idzik wasn't necessarily wrong with his approach to the cap, the problem is that he and his staff were atrocious at evaluating talent (both in the draft and free agency) that it got him fired.
In 2015, you have Maccagnan stepping in and take over the reigns of a team that picked in the top 10 and had a boatload of cap space, much of which had to be used. Many are now criticizing Macc's moves last offseason, but if you are being honest with yourself, had the team not spent that money in free agency last year, everyone would have been up in arms.
2015 was an odd season. We had an easy schedule and Fitz played above his usual standards (not the first time it happened, it also happened in Buffalo), so we almost made the playoffs. Going into this season, the team went into the dreaded, "rebuild while staying competitive" mode. The team wasn't sold on Fitzpatrick being able to replicate his success from last year and right now, they look pretty fucking bring in doing so. They almost had to bring him back and, given the circumstance, made the right play. Right now, it just sucks that we have to live through his performance because Bowles refuses to bench him out of fear that he is conceding the season. That falls on Bowles, not Maccagnan.
Right now, it looks like we are trending to be a 4-6 win team this year and it sucks to live through another one of these seasons, but it is a perfect opportunity for both our coach and our young players to grow.
We are very old on offense and the next 2-3 drafts are going to have to focus on rebuilding the youth of the offense. We should be able to resign Winters for cheap as he has finally developed into a competent starter at guard. When Winters was playing instead of Qvale, Ijalana looked OK at RT, so we may have something there. Our receiving core actually has a lot of promising youth and we may have something at TE with Jenkins. We also have youth at QB that we need to put into live games to see what we have.
I think our defense is going to look VERY different going into 2017. We don't have a lot of cap space, so I expect Revis and his huge salary to be gone. I also think Harris, Gilchrist and Sheldon are gone. I'd like to see the team make a run at Chandler Jones in Free Agency to finally add that edge rusher that we need.
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Post by Harrier on Oct 10, 2016 7:52:09 GMT -5
You have to consider the past 2 seasons to put this year into context. In 2014, Idzik put into effect a plan to maximize the team's cap space. They went into the season with a bunch of cap space available and what happened? The media crucified the team for not using the cap space, fans started flying "Fire Idzik" banners and the rest of history. Idzik wasn't necessarily wrong with his approach to the cap, the problem is that he and his staff were atrocious at evaluating talent (both in the draft and free agency) that it got him fired. In 2015, you have Maccagnan stepping in and take over the reigns of a team that picked in the top 10 and had a boatload of cap space, much of which had to be used. Many are now criticizing Macc's moves last offseason, but if you are being honest with yourself, had the team not spent that money in free agency last year, everyone would have been up in arms. 2015 was an odd season. We had an easy schedule and Fitz played above his usual standards (not the first time it happened, it also happened in Buffalo), so we almost made the playoffs. Going into this season, the team went into the dreaded, "rebuild while staying competitive" mode. The team wasn't sold on Fitzpatrick being able to replicate his success from last year and right now, they look pretty fucking bring in doing so. They almost had to bring him back and, given the circumstance, made the right play. Right now, it just sucks that we have to live through his performance because Bowles refuses to bench him out of fear that he is conceding the season. That falls on Bowles, not Maccagnan. Right now, it looks like we are trending to be a 4-6 win team this year and it sucks to live through another one of these seasons, but it is a perfect opportunity for both our coach and our young players to grow. We are very old on offense and the next 2-3 drafts are going to have to focus on rebuilding the youth of the offense. We should be able to resign Winters for cheap as he has finally developed into a competent starter at guard. When Winters was playing instead of Qvale, Ijalana looked OK at RT, so we may have something there. Our receiving core actually has a lot of promising youth and we may have something at TE with Jenkins. We also have youth at QB that we need to put into live games to see what we have. I think our defense is going to look VERY different going into 2017. We don't have a lot of cap space, so I expect Revis and his huge salary to be gone. I also think Harris, Gilchrist and Sheldon are gone. I'd like to see the team make a run at Chandler Jones in Free Agency to finally add that edge rusher that we need. Agreed. I'm not willing to give up on Bowles and Macc this early, they inherited a dire culture and QB situation. It's gonna take 4 years till this team is truly theirs so we gotta give it time like the Raiders did with McKenzie.
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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on Oct 10, 2016 8:05:17 GMT -5
You have to consider the past 2 seasons to put this year into context. In 2014, Idzik put into effect a plan to maximize the team's cap space. They went into the season with a bunch of cap space available and what happened? The media crucified the team for not using the cap space, fans started flying "Fire Idzik" banners and the rest of history. Idzik wasn't necessarily wrong with his approach to the cap, the problem is that he and his staff were atrocious at evaluating talent (both in the draft and free agency) that it got him fired. In 2015, you have Maccagnan stepping in and take over the reigns of a team that picked in the top 10 and had a boatload of cap space, much of which had to be used. Many are now criticizing Macc's moves last offseason, but if you are being honest with yourself, had the team not spent that money in free agency last year, everyone would have been up in arms. 2015 was an odd season. We had an easy schedule and Fitz played above his usual standards (not the first time it happened, it also happened in Buffalo), so we almost made the playoffs. Going into this season, the team went into the dreaded, "rebuild while staying competitive" mode. The team wasn't sold on Fitzpatrick being able to replicate his success from last year and right now, they look pretty fucking bring in doing so. They almost had to bring him back and, given the circumstance, made the right play. Right now, it just sucks that we have to live through his performance because Bowles refuses to bench him out of fear that he is conceding the season. That falls on Bowles, not Maccagnan. Right now, it looks like we are trending to be a 4-6 win team this year and it sucks to live through another one of these seasons, but it is a perfect opportunity for both our coach and our young players to grow. We are very old on offense and the next 2-3 drafts are going to have to focus on rebuilding the youth of the offense. We should be able to resign Winters for cheap as he has finally developed into a competent starter at guard. When Winters was playing instead of Qvale, Ijalana looked OK at RT, so we may have something there. Our receiving core actually has a lot of promising youth and we may have something at TE with Jenkins. We also have youth at QB that we need to put into live games to see what we have. I think our defense is going to look VERY different going into 2017. We don't have a lot of cap space, so I expect Revis and his huge salary to be gone. I also think Harris, Gilchrist and Sheldon are gone. I'd like to see the team make a run at Chandler Jones in Free Agency to finally add that edge rusher that we need. Agreed. I'm not willing to give up on Bowles and Macc this early, they inherited a dire culture and QB situation. It's gonna take 4 years till this team is truly theirs so we gotta give it time like the Raiders did with McKenzie. Four years? We don't have the luxury of waiting that long. We need results NOW.
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Post by Harrier on Oct 10, 2016 9:13:20 GMT -5
Agreed. I'm not willing to give up on Bowles and Macc this early, they inherited a dire culture and QB situation. It's gonna take 4 years till this team is truly theirs so we gotta give it time like the Raiders did with McKenzie. Four years? We don't have the luxury of waiting that long. We need results NOW. Never gonna happen cleaning house every two years, we need continuity so let's hope Bowles learns and gets his shit together.
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