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Post by Raoul Duke on Oct 10, 2016 9:17:06 GMT -5
6-10 7-9 7-9 11-5 5-11 5-11
BB's record till Pretty boy fell onto his lap.In the grand scheme of things, we need a franchise QB more than a HC.
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Post by Harrier on Oct 10, 2016 9:21:06 GMT -5
6-10 7-9 7-9 11-5 5-11 5-11 BB's record till Pretty boy fell onto his lap.In the grand scheme of things, we need a franchise QB more than a HC. Correct. Bowles at least has us fuctioning offensively unlike Rex and seems to have built better team chemistry. He is taking his lumps but you can't compete in this league without an above average quarterback.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Oct 10, 2016 9:24:06 GMT -5
A QB the is playing more like himself and a secondary that can't compete with anyone right now. And a DL that hasn't sniffed a QB since Week 1. Fatcessa says the two places you lose a game quickest in this league is QB and CB. Maybe he is right. Yes but why. Something has fallen apart, with the same QB same CB and same DL REGRESSION TO THE MEAN.
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Post by rangerous on Oct 10, 2016 9:33:32 GMT -5
Yep If people want to repeat this shit for another 2-3 years when deep down they already know it isn't going to work out...then that's on them. I'm getting too old for this shit I get that organizational stability is huge. But not when you choose the wrong coach. This team looks so flat. No leaders. All starts at the top. At least people played hard for Rex. oh boy, the rex comparison. i don't know about that one. i see the same things though. the game is so emotional and the players need to be completely focused on their positions. too many times receivers are wide open and not because a defender fell down. i'd like to see bowles get 3 or 4 seasons before the axe coes down simply because it takes time for the coaches to learn what their team can and can't do. but time is running out for many of the vets and even for the fans. i don't want to wait 86 years between superbowls.
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Post by maury77 on Oct 10, 2016 9:50:01 GMT -5
A little luck would help as well. McKenzie lucked into David Carr dropping to the second round. If you re-do that draft now, Carr may go number one overall. Hopefully we have something in either Petty or Hack.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 10, 2016 10:53:54 GMT -5
I was slow to the Fire Rex party because I wanted people to identify a better option than Rex. Ultimately, it was clear that Rex had to go because he refused to learn from his mistakes. For Rex, the firing was probably good for him because he has eliminated some of the worst mistakes he was making with the Jets.
As to Bowles, after last season, I was committed to giving the guy 4 to 5 years because it "seemed" he was holding players accountable, was willing to play the young guys, didn't have Rex's handicap as to the inability to field a productive offense,seemed to be a steadying and sober hand in control of the team and players, and he is a Parcells' guy. However, after the past few weeks, I think it is entirely possible that Bowles is in over his head. I'm still not there yet as to firing him, but I have three areas of concern:
1) The Defense. While lots of the problems can be laid at the feet of Kacey Rodgers, the fact is that Rodgers is running Bowles D scheme. So, if Rodgers can't hack it, the first person to recognize this should be Bowles. Perhaps he has, and is waiting for the bye to fire or demote Rodgers. Idk, but I am willing to take a wait and see approach on this one. No point in firing Bowles now over this. Everyone thought the Jets D was going to be great, and no one seems to be able to put their finger n the problem. Personally, I think it is a combination of poor play calling (when the players lose confidence in the play calls you are doomed) and the silly attempts to get Sheldon on the field as an OLB. Either just go to a 4-3, create DE rotation, have Williams play more NT, or trade Sheldon (to the cowboys).
2) Game decision. I was shocked when Bowles said at his post game presser that he decided to punt on 4th and less than a yard because there was more than enough time left AND we had been stopping the steelers O (he may have even said we were getting 3 and outs). WHAT THE FUCK!!! I checked the second half drive chart, and here are Pitt's drives in the second half before the Jets punt away on 4th and less than a yard:
5 plays 19 yards, punt 4 plays 2 yards, FG 3 plays 1 yard, punt 9 plays 76 yards, TD 6 plays 48 yards, punt
5 drives and on the first 3 the Jets D did get good results, just like Bowles thought. But on the last 2 right before the punt, the rapist was slicing and dicing the Jets D. So, this begs the question -- why was Bowles seemingly unaware of the last two drives? What the hell is he doing on the sidelines that causes him to make so many questionable decisions? From what I can tell he is just standing there. I rarely see him even talking to other coaches or players. I am thoroughly confused as to his in-game role on the sidelines. And, the worst part is, his decision making seems to be getting worse and he double down on his bad decisions during his press conferences.
3) Fits. Please bring me the head of every coach and management official with the Jets who thinks that Fits should remain the starting QB. Don't be fooled by yesterdays final stat line. He was terrible. I truly think that the Jets receivers sometimes drop good passes because they are surprised that it is an accurate pass. Every game they Jets leave big plays on the table because Fits is unable to hit a running WR in stride. So, if Bowles truly believes Fits is a good NFL QB, he needs to be fired today. I'm unsure if his "faith" in Fits is intended to prevent him from losing the locker room, but dismally bad play in a series of losses will do that too. It is time for Bowles to announce that no one's job is safe -- not even Fits. Bowles is a Parcells guy supposedly, and Parcells would be kicking some asses right now.
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Post by bxjetfan on Oct 10, 2016 10:55:42 GMT -5
Bowles is a fraud. I remember when we hired him there was an article about how Ariens told him to blitz more when they started having injuries. There were so many articles coming out when we hired him that it didn't set off alarm bells but I remembered it. I'm starting to think that Ariens was the driving force behind the AZ D because he is just aggressive. Now Bowles is reverting to who he is, a conservative coach who doesn't have a clue.
I'm ok with firing him at the end of the year if he can't get it turned around. Give Mac his choice of coach and if it doesn't turn around two years after that clean house again.
I'm just so disgusted right now. Everyone knew we had a tough schedule to open but we aren't not only competitive, we are inept everywhere. Poor play calling, blown assignments, screwing up timeouts and challenges etc etc.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 10, 2016 10:55:54 GMT -5
Yes but why. Something has fallen apart, with the same QB same CB and same DL REGRESSION TO THE MEAN.The "mean" is a supposed island HOF CB and a supposed ferocious DL. Other than QB, does not apply
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 10, 2016 10:59:58 GMT -5
6-10 7-9 7-9 11-5 5-11 5-11 BB's record till Pretty boy fell onto his lap.In the grand scheme of things, we need a franchise QB more than a HC. And 14-6 without Pretty Boy and 3 different QB's since that time. It's not all about the QB.
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Post by bxjetfan on Oct 10, 2016 11:00:58 GMT -5
You guys see what is going on in Philly with a rookie QB? Hire Frank Reich.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 10, 2016 11:02:22 GMT -5
Oh, btw, has anyone gone back to the visitors locker at Heinz Field? I'm thinking the team is still in there since they didn't come out for the second half.
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Post by Hotman on Oct 10, 2016 11:09:08 GMT -5
Bill started cheating and there four winning
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 10, 2016 11:15:18 GMT -5
and the silly attempts to get Sheldon on the field as an OLB. Either just go to a 4-3, create DE rotation, have Williams play more NT, or trade Sheldon (to the cowboys). You just know he has a blue and silver star under the green and white. He was born to be a cowboy. He would so fit in there. Jets receivers sometimes drop good passes because they are surprised that it is an accurate pass.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Oct 10, 2016 11:27:30 GMT -5
The "mean" is a supposed island HOF CB and a supposed ferocious DL. Other than QB, does not apply I agree on the DL, not the CB. He's aging and fat - the "mean" is an aging fat guy, not an elite "island" anymore.
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Post by Paradis on Oct 10, 2016 11:31:05 GMT -5
You have to consider the past 2 seasons to put this year into context. In 2014, Idzik put into effect a plan to maximize the team's cap space. They went into the season with a bunch of cap space available and what happened? The media crucified the team for not using the cap space, fans started flying "Fire Idzik" banners and the rest of history. Idzik wasn't necessarily wrong with his approach to the cap, the problem is that he and his staff were atrocious at evaluating talent (both in the draft and free agency) that it got him fired. In 2015, you have Maccagnan stepping in and take over the reigns of a team that picked in the top 10 and had a boatload of cap space, much of which had to be used. Many are now criticizing Macc's moves last offseason, but if you are being honest with yourself, had the team not spent that money in free agency last year, everyone would have been up in arms. 2015 was an odd season. We had an easy schedule and Fitz played above his usual standards (not the first time it happened, it also happened in Buffalo), so we almost made the playoffs. Going into this season, the team went into the dreaded, "rebuild while staying competitive" mode. The team wasn't sold on Fitzpatrick being able to replicate his success from last year and right now, they look pretty fucking bring in doing so. They almost had to bring him back and, given the circumstance, made the right play. Right now, it just sucks that we have to live through his performance because Bowles refuses to bench him out of fear that he is conceding the season. That falls on Bowles, not Maccagnan. Right now, it looks like we are trending to be a 4-6 win team this year and it sucks to live through another one of these seasons, but it is a perfect opportunity for both our coach and our young players to grow. We are very old on offense and the next 2-3 drafts are going to have to focus on rebuilding the youth of the offense. We should be able to resign Winters for cheap as he has finally developed into a competent starter at guard. When Winters was playing instead of Qvale, Ijalana looked OK at RT, so we may have something there. Our receiving core actually has a lot of promising youth and we may have something at TE with Jenkins. We also have youth at QB that we need to put into live games to see what we have. I think our defense is going to look VERY different going into 2017. We don't have a lot of cap space, so I expect Revis and his huge salary to be gone. I also think Harris, Gilchrist and Sheldon are gone. I'd like to see the team make a run at Chandler Jones in Free Agency to finally add that edge rusher that we need. Mostly true. Well, your assessment of 2014-2015 is spot on. Going into 2016 youre also right about how this regime kind of had to follow through with Fitz related things... And yes, id like to give Macc more time to sort through this mess, despite concerns about his talent evaluations. The Hackenberg pick puts him on thinner ice however... The problem is Bowles. I don't think I need a year 3 from him. I've seen enough. He didn't have command over the team last year - and struggled to adjust. It's getting worse. Last year a lot issues were painted over by poor competition and gaudy stats by Marshall-Decker... he's supposed to be a great DC and can't get anything out of our DLine and secondary? Fuck off Bowles
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