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Post by 2milehighJet on Oct 10, 2016 12:12:37 GMT -5
Personally, I think it is a combination of poor play calling (when the players lose confidence in the play calls you are doomed) and the silly attempts to get Sheldon on the field as an OLB. Either just go to a 4-3, create DE rotation, have Williams play more NT, or trade Sheldon (to the cowboys). I agree with your whole post, but highlighted this. If Bowles is the D genius, why arent we in a 3-4 where Mo and Williams shine? he is a buffoon if he cant see this.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Oct 10, 2016 12:24:42 GMT -5
Rex is 3-2 all of a sudden. We suck. F u Bowles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 12:47:26 GMT -5
Comical.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 10, 2016 12:52:49 GMT -5
You have to consider the past 2 seasons to put this year into context. In 2014, Idzik put into effect a plan to maximize the team's cap space. They went into the season with a bunch of cap space available and what happened? The media crucified the team for not using the cap space, fans started flying "Fire Idzik" banners and the rest of history. Idzik wasn't necessarily wrong with his approach to the cap, the problem is that he and his staff were atrocious at evaluating talent (both in the draft and free agency) that it got him fired. In 2015, you have Maccagnan stepping in and take over the reigns of a team that picked in the top 10 and had a boatload of cap space, much of which had to be used. Many are now criticizing Macc's moves last offseason, but if you are being honest with yourself, had the team not spent that money in free agency last year, everyone would have been up in arms. 2015 was an odd season. We had an easy schedule and Fitz played above his usual standards (not the first time it happened, it also happened in Buffalo), so we almost made the playoffs. Going into this season, the team went into the dreaded, "rebuild while staying competitive" mode. The team wasn't sold on Fitzpatrick being able to replicate his success from last year and right now, they look pretty fucking bring in doing so. They almost had to bring him back and, given the circumstance, made the right play. Right now, it just sucks that we have to live through his performance because Bowles refuses to bench him out of fear that he is conceding the season. That falls on Bowles, not Maccagnan. Right now, it looks like we are trending to be a 4-6 win team this year and it sucks to live through another one of these seasons, but it is a perfect opportunity for both our coach and our young players to grow. We are very old on offense and the next 2-3 drafts are going to have to focus on rebuilding the youth of the offense. We should be able to resign Winters for cheap as he has finally developed into a competent starter at guard. When Winters was playing instead of Qvale, Ijalana looked OK at RT, so we may have something there. Our receiving core actually has a lot of promising youth and we may have something at TE with Jenkins. We also have youth at QB that we need to put into live games to see what we have. I think our defense is going to look VERY different going into 2017. We don't have a lot of cap space, so I expect Revis and his huge salary to be gone. I also think Harris, Gilchrist and Sheldon are gone. I'd like to see the team make a run at Chandler Jones in Free Agency to finally add that edge rusher that we need. Mostly true. Well, your assessment of 2014-2015 is spot on. Going into 2016 youre also right about how this regime kind of had to follow through with Fitz related things... And yes, id like to give Macc more time to sort through this mess, despite concerns about his talent evaluations. The Hackenberg pick puts him on thinner ice however... The problem is Bowles. I don't think I need a year 3 from him. I've seen enough. He didn't have command over the team last year - and struggled to adjust. It's getting worse. Last year a lot issues were painted over by poor competition and gaudy stats by Marshall-Decker... he's supposed to be a great DC and can't get anything out of our DLine and secondary? Fuck off Bowles Agreed. With a rookie or 2nd year coach you give the guy some slack with the understanding that he will begin to show improvement and eventually rectify weak points. This guy standing on the sidelines like an impassive block of wood doesn't show the slightest flicker of awareness of a problem, or hope that there is something to work with and build on there. The lights aren't even on, forget about someone being home/ what the hell did Woody or even Casserly see in this guy?
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Post by jetstream23 on Oct 10, 2016 12:53:44 GMT -5
Rex is 3-2 all of a sudden. We suck. F u Bowles. It's mind-boggling. If a Rex team makes a turn it is usually for the worse. Under him the Jets had started well at times and then folded when his schtick got old. Watching an 0-2 Bills team fire its Offensive Coordinator and then rattle off 3 wins against 3 good teams is tough to stomach. The Bills have a very solid, balanced offense with a mobile QB in Hemorrhoid Taylor and solid RB in McCoy. They shredded a good LA defense on the road yesterday. I'll shoot myself if it comes down to having to pull for either Buffalo or NE for this division.....it'll be like the Giants-Pats Super Bowl all over again.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Oct 10, 2016 13:01:21 GMT -5
How many people will be at met death for the next "home" game at Giants stadium II? 3 people? 6?
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Post by Paradis on Oct 10, 2016 13:05:17 GMT -5
Mostly true. Well, your assessment of 2014-2015 is spot on. Going into 2016 youre also right about how this regime kind of had to follow through with Fitz related things... And yes, id like to give Macc more time to sort through this mess, despite concerns about his talent evaluations. The Hackenberg pick puts him on thinner ice however... The problem is Bowles. I don't think I need a year 3 from him. I've seen enough. He didn't have command over the team last year - and struggled to adjust. It's getting worse. Last year a lot issues were painted over by poor competition and gaudy stats by Marshall-Decker... he's supposed to be a great DC and can't get anything out of our DLine and secondary? Fuck off Bowles Agreed. With a rookie or 2nd year coach you give the guy some slack with the understanding that he will begin to show improvement and eventually rectify weak points. This guy standing on the sidelines like an impassive block of wood doesn't show the slightest flicker of awareness of a problem, or hope that there is something to work with and build on there. The lights aren't even on, forget about someone being home/ what the hell did Woody or even Casserly see in this guy? I thought Casserly was more involved in the GM part of the search.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 10, 2016 13:48:45 GMT -5
Agreed. With a rookie or 2nd year coach you give the guy some slack with the understanding that he will begin to show improvement and eventually rectify weak points. This guy standing on the sidelines like an impassive block of wood doesn't show the slightest flicker of awareness of a problem, or hope that there is something to work with and build on there. The lights aren't even on, forget about someone being home/ what the hell did Woody or even Casserly see in this guy? I thought Casserly was more involved in the GM part of the search. wasn't Bowles hired a day or two before Mac was? So who picked him?
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Post by Hotman on Oct 10, 2016 13:56:48 GMT -5
Jets receivers sometimes drop good passes because they are surprised that it is an accurate pass. Yeah i thought it was funnny too. And probably accurate. And yes Bowles was hired before Mac. Because they were afraid of losing him. Looks like we shoulda gone with Dan Quinn.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 10, 2016 14:17:35 GMT -5
Personally, I think it is a combination of poor play calling (when the players lose confidence in the play calls you are doomed) and the silly attempts to get Sheldon on the field as an OLB. Either just go to a 4-3, create DE rotation, have Williams play more NT, or trade Sheldon (to the cowboys). I agree with your whole post, but highlighted this. If Bowles is the D genius, why arent we in a 3-4 where Mo and Williams shine? he is a buffoon if he cant see this. The main difference between a Co-ordinator and a HC is that a HC does what works and will help the team win. A Co-ordinator wants everyone to play and conform to his system. After all, he was hired because of his system. Right now Bowles is acting like a DC trying to make the Jets players fit in to his system, rather than conforming the system to the players. This is the NFL where systems are garbage. The great coaches adopt whatever system they have to the talent on the team. What is Bill Bellichick's system other than to simply do what works. Honestly, sometimes I think these guys outsmart themselves right out of a job.
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Post by Hotman on Oct 10, 2016 14:22:51 GMT -5
What is Bill Bellichick's system other than to simply do what works. Honestly, sometimes I think these guys outsmart themselves right out of a job. Simple.. cheating gotta be good tho so you don't get caught and have dummys in place to blame/throw under bus.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 10, 2016 14:25:21 GMT -5
What is Bill Bellichick's system other than to simply do what works. Honestly, sometimes I think these guys outsmart themselves right out of a job. Simple.. cheating gotta be good tho so you don't get caught and have dummys in place to blame/throw under bus. But he does fit the cheating to his talent
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Post by Hotman on Oct 10, 2016 14:27:50 GMT -5
Simple.. cheating gotta be good tho so you don't get caught and have dummys in place to blame/throw under bus. But he does fit the cheating to his talent Absilutely. One of the very best!
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Post by willis on Oct 10, 2016 16:24:44 GMT -5
Mostly true. Well, your assessment of 2014-2015 is spot on. Going into 2016 youre also right about how this regime kind of had to follow through with Fitz related things... And yes, id like to give Macc more time to sort through this mess, despite concerns about his talent evaluations. The Hackenberg pick puts him on thinner ice however... The problem is Bowles. I don't think I need a year 3 from him. I've seen enough. He didn't have command over the team last year - and struggled to adjust. It's getting worse. Last year a lot issues were painted over by poor competition and gaudy stats by Marshall-Decker... he's supposed to be a great DC and can't get anything out of our DLine and secondary? Fuck off Bowles not only showed us nothing, but not those two asshole defensive linemen are starting in with the wise-ass comments. I wish those two assholes the very worst! Agreed. With a rookie or 2nd year coach you give the guy some slack with the understanding that he will begin to show improvement and eventually rectify weak points. This guy standing on the sidelines like an impassive block of wood doesn't show the slightest flicker of awareness of a problem, or hope that there is something to work with and build on there. The lights aren't even on, forget about someone being home/ what the hell did Woody or even Casserly see in this guy? Thanks guys ... so true. It's just that the season is over so early again. Carton wants to have both NY teams put on trial for killing football this season. Just so sick an tired of following this team. And Bowles ... bad coaching, and a defense that's really
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Post by willis on Oct 10, 2016 16:26:33 GMT -5
Agreed. With a rookie or 2nd year coach you give the guy some slack with the understanding that he will begin to show improvement and eventually rectify weak points. This guy standing on the sidelines like an impassive block of wood doesn't show the slightest flicker of awareness of a problem, or hope that there is something to work with and build on there. The lights aren't even on, forget about someone being home/ what the hell did Woody or even Casserly see in this guy? Thanks guys ... so true. It's just that the season is over so early again. Carton wants to have both NY teams put on trial for killing football this season. Just so sick an tired of following this team. And Bowles ... bad coaching, and a defense that's not close to its pre-season hype. And those two wise-ass defensive linemen. Screw both of them.
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