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Post by ruby2 on Dec 8, 2016 20:58:29 GMT -5
This was the one that got away.
What a team he built.
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Post by Harrier on Dec 8, 2016 21:03:49 GMT -5
V Ducasse
S Hill
Geno
D Smith
K Wilson
Q Coples
D Milliner
J Amaro
C Pryor
D McDougle.
All dogshit wasted picks and we wonder why we suck, our GM's can't draft, we just don't hit enough and that's the primary reason we are in this mess.
All of the above is just embarrassing. Give me Dorsey and R McKenzie over Macc all day long.
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Post by ruby2 on Dec 8, 2016 21:09:58 GMT -5
V Ducasse S Hill Geno D Smith K Wilson Q Coples D Milliner J Amaro C Pryor All dogshit wasted picks and we wonder why we suck, our GM's can't draft, we just don't hit enough and that's the primary reason we are in this mess. All of the above is just embarrassing. Give me Dorsey and R McKenzie over Macc all day long. Its just sad. Who was the last semi competent offensive player we drafted? Billal Powell?? Jeremy Kerley? Quincy Enunwa?? Jesus H Christ. Who was the last legit superstar offensive player we drafted....I guess Brick and Mangold. Who was the last legit superstar offensive skill position player we drafted...Lavernuous Coles? Fuck this franchise, god damn. |
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Post by Harrier on Dec 8, 2016 21:15:43 GMT -5
V Ducasse S Hill Geno D Smith K Wilson Q Coples D Milliner J Amaro C Pryor All dogshit wasted picks and we wonder why we suck, our GM's can't draft, we just don't hit enough and that's the primary reason we are in this mess. All of the above is just embarrassing. Give me Dorsey and R McKenzie over Macc all day long. Its just sad. Who was the last semi competent offensive player we drafted? Billal Powell?? Quincy Enunwa?? Jesus H Christ. I've really been lookin into this over the last few days because my opinion was getting swayed from backin Bowles to firing him. The more I look, the more I question why any of us are surprised we are struggling given How bad we draft. Bowles inherited a disaster and Macc hasn't done much to help him, he's had no contribution from second round picks since Macc came in. It just fuckin stinks we get 1-2 starters from a full draft class. |
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Post by chrebet80 on Dec 9, 2016 3:17:57 GMT -5
When I think of the cheifs I don't think that they have a stacked roster. To be honest no one on that team scares me. So im not sure how great john dorsey really is. They have a Good defense and a very average qb. Thier best player on offense is a tight end. I think the cheifs success is tied to Andy Reid. just great coaching. Every year Andy Reid is in The playoffs. The guy just knows how to win.
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Post by maury77 on Dec 9, 2016 6:32:05 GMT -5
V Ducasse S Hill Geno D Smith K Wilson Q Coples D Milliner J Amaro C Pryor D McDougle. All dogshit wasted picks and we wonder why we suck, our GM's can't draft, we just don't hit enough and that's the primary reason we are in this mess. All of the above is just embarrassing. Give me Dorsey and R McKenzie over Macc all day long. Those picks all suck, but you can't blame Macc for them, they were made before he got here. I know this gets repeated a lot, but you have to give draft classes time before grading them. By next year, the only starter we will likely have left from the 2013 class is Winters. Milliner is already gone, while Sheldon and Geno look as good as gone. Winters was pretty bad up until the midway point of last season and now he has turned into a decent player. |
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 9, 2016 7:37:08 GMT -5
V Ducasse S Hill Geno D Smith K Wilson Q Coples D Milliner J Amaro C Pryor D McDougle. All dogshit wasted picks and we wonder why we suck, our GM's can't draft, we just don't hit enough and that's the primary reason we are in this mess. All of the above is just embarrassing. Give me Dorsey and R McKenzie over Macc all day long. Those picks all suck, but you can't blame Macc for them, they were made before he got here. I know this gets repeated a lot, but you have to give draft classes time before grading them. By next year, the only starter we will likely have left from the 2013 class is Winters. Milliner is already gone, while Sheldon and Geno look as good as gone. Winters was pretty bad up until the midway point of last season and now he has turned into a decent player. And now, Winters will be UFA at the end of this season, so after 1 good season out of him, it is time to pay up. Given the state of our OL, we need to find a way to keep him and try to keep the interior of the OL (Carp/Winters/Johnson) intact -- since we will need at least one starting tackle (assuming Breno and Clady are gone and we are not going to roll with Ijalana and Qvale as starters). Agree that you still have to give Macc's draft classes another year or two to evaluate, but the early returns are poor. And you can blame him for all of the $$$ spent on a secondary that absolutely sucks -- Revis, Gilchrist and Skrine are about $28MM in cap charges this year. We have the second highest secondary payroll in the league, (Seattle is #1 and Denver is #3) and we still suck. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 7:43:55 GMT -5
This was the one that got away. What a team he built. Have they won a SB? |
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Post by ruby2 on Dec 9, 2016 8:57:28 GMT -5
This was the one that got away. What a team he built. Have they won a SB? They sure are a lot closer than the Jets. |
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Post by ruby2 on Dec 9, 2016 8:58:43 GMT -5
When I think of the cheifs I don't think that they have a stacked roster. To be honest no one on that team scares me. So im not sure how great john dorsey really is. They have a Good defense and a very average qb. Thier best player on offense is a tight end. I think the cheifs success is tied to Andy Reid. just great coaching. Every year Andy Reid is in The playoffs. The guy just knows how to win. Their roster is pound for pound as solid as anyone elses in the NFL. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 10:03:09 GMT -5
They sure are a lot closer than the Jets. Actually they are equal, imo. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 9, 2016 10:30:58 GMT -5
They sure are a lot closer than the Jets. Actually they are equal, imo. Their record would say otherwise. They're a lot closer to a Super Bowl than the Jets right now just on merit of BEING in the playoffs. Or at least they will be in the playoffs officially in a week or two. |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 9, 2016 11:15:43 GMT -5
Those picks all suck, but you can't blame Macc for them, they were made before he got here. I know this gets repeated a lot, but you have to give draft classes time before grading them. By next year, the only starter we will likely have left from the 2013 class is Winters. Milliner is already gone, while Sheldon and Geno look as good as gone. Winters was pretty bad up until the midway point of last season and now he has turned into a decent player. And now, Winters will be UFA at the end of this season, so after 1 good season out of him, it is time to pay up. Given the state of our OL, we need to find a way to keep him and try to keep the interior of the OL (Carp/Winters/Johnson) intact -- since we will need at least one starting tackle (assuming Breno and Clady are gone and we are not going to roll with Ijalana and Qvale as starters). Agree that you still have to give Macc's draft classes another year or two to evaluate, but the early returns are poor. And you can blame him for all of the $$$ spent on a secondary that absolutely sucks -- Revis, Gilchrist and Skrine are about $28MM in cap charges this year. We have the second highest secondary payroll in the league, (Seattle is #1 and Denver is #3) and we still suck. I hear you, but we had to spend $$ at that spot, we had nothing at CB coming into the 2015 offseason. It was a calculated risk that worked out ok last year and blew up in our face this year. We can also get out of these contracts after this season without a lot of pain. I'm in the minority, but I don't think Gilchrist is as bad as a lot of people make him out to be (his PFF numbers are about average) and I think Skrine can rebound if he plays in the slot again. Revis and Wilkerson having atrocious seasons caused a ripple effect throughout the entire defense. |
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Post by Harrier on Dec 9, 2016 13:18:06 GMT -5
V Ducasse S Hill Geno D Smith K Wilson Q Coples D Milliner J Amaro C Pryor D McDougle. All dogshit wasted picks and we wonder why we suck, our GM's can't draft, we just don't hit enough and that's the primary reason we are in this mess. All of the above is just embarrassing. Give me Dorsey and R McKenzie over Macc all day long. Those picks all suck, but you can't blame Macc for them, they were made before he got here. I know this gets repeated a lot, but you have to give draft classes time before grading them. By next year, the only starter we will likely have left from the 2013 class is Winters. Milliner is already gone, while Sheldon and Geno look as good as gone. Winters was pretty bad up until the midway point of last season and now he has turned into a decent player. I understand most of those picks where pre Macc, I just think he's not done much better since he came here to be honest. His drafts suck to this point but I agree it's hard to gauge this early so he's getting a pass, but I don't like the early signs. We have two 2nd rounders not even on the field, Mauldin is a great story but he's not an every down LB in year 2 etc etc. The only pick worth his salt is Williams and a Monkey could've made that pick. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 14:05:56 GMT -5
Actually they are equal, imo. Their record would say otherwise. They're a lot closer to a Super Bowl than the Jets right now just on merit of BEING in the playoffs. Or at least they will be in the playoffs officially in a week or two. There is one winner per year, everyone else is equal. |
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