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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 18, 2016 12:46:57 GMT -5
It was obvious even from the stands that Marshall was either dropping them on purpose or I don't know what. It must have been even more clear on tv. All alone, pass right in the breadbasket, and he drops it. Petty's completion record should be upped by the 4 or 5 this clown dropped. Still maintain it's all about the coaching. Something is making all these veterans quit. I don't think for one second that Marshall is out there purposely dropping passes. No offense, but I think it's ridiculous to suggest that. I really am not trying to defend Bowles all that much, but I don't think he's getting a fair shake. I absolutely do not agree that a bunch of players giving shitty efforts is a by product of Bowles. What changed from last year when they all played hard? I doubt Bowles changed. Players are the ones responsible for playing hard. This isn't little league. We have a bunch of shit players that wilt at the first sign of adversity. That's not something Todd Bowles can wave a magic wond and fixed. That's on the players to either suck it up and have a backbone, or the front office to find players to replace them. There are plenty of things to criticize Bowles on. Players being pathetic professionals isn't one of them
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Post by shootmenow on Dec 18, 2016 13:03:51 GMT -5
It was obvious even from the stands that Marshall was either dropping them on purpose or I don't know what. It must have been even more clear on tv. All alone, pass right in the breadbasket, and he drops it. Petty's completion record should be upped by the 4 or 5 this clown dropped. Still maintain it's all about the coaching. Something is making all these veterans quit. I don't think for one second that Marshall is out there purposely dropping passes. No offense, but I think it's ridiculous to suggest that. I really am not trying to defend Bowles all that much, but I don't think he's getting a fair shake. I absolutely do not agree that a bunch of players giving shitty efforts is a by product of Bowles. What changed from last year when they all played hard? I doubt Bowles changed. Players are the ones responsible for playing hard. This isn't little league. We have a bunch of shit players that wilt at the first sign of adversity. That's not something Todd Bowles can wave a magic wond and fixed. That's on the players to either suck it up and have a backbone, or the front office to find players to replace them. There are plenty of things to criticize Bowles on. Players being pathetic professionals isn't one of them No offense taken, we're here to discuss. I could understand one or two players quitting but when it's almost an entire team I can't see any reason but the HC.
Difference between last year and this? Last year Bowles was still somewhat of an unknown quantity and the players played hard. This year whatever he's done it's enough for almost the whole team to see they are going nowhere with him and worrying more about themselves and getting hurt than putting out when they don't have a chance.
And I'll take it even one step farther... It's really about Woody hiring 16 years worth of shitty coaches but we can't do anything about him.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 18, 2016 13:07:45 GMT -5
I don't think for one second that Marshall is out there purposely dropping passes. No offense, but I think it's ridiculous to suggest that. I really am not trying to defend Bowles all that much, but I don't think he's getting a fair shake. I absolutely do not agree that a bunch of players giving shitty efforts is a by product of Bowles. What changed from last year when they all played hard? I doubt Bowles changed. Players are the ones responsible for playing hard. This isn't little league. We have a bunch of shit players that wilt at the first sign of adversity. That's not something Todd Bowles can wave a magic wond and fixed. That's on the players to either suck it up and have a backbone, or the front office to find players to replace them. There are plenty of things to criticize Bowles on. Players being pathetic professionals isn't one of them No offense taken, we're here to discuss. I could understand one or two players quitting but when it's almost an entire team I can't see any reason but the HC.
Difference between last year and this? Last year Bowles was still somewhat of an unknown quantity and the players played hard. This year whatever he's done it's enough for almost the whole team to see they are going nowhere with him and worrying more about themselves and getting hurt than putting out when they don't have a chance.
Fair enough. I'm not sure I see a whole team quitting. I might see a few, but overall I see some guys still giving good effort. Some guys just aren't good, so it's hard to tell if they aren't trying or just aren't good enough. That's difficult for me at least. It sucks eithervway though, and Bowles shoulders a lot of blame, but I don't think all of it.
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Post by JStokes on Dec 18, 2016 15:14:52 GMT -5
It was obvious even from the stands that Marshall was either dropping them on purpose or I don't know what. It must have been even more clear on tv. All alone, pass right in the breadbasket, and he drops it. Petty's completion record should be upped by the 4 or 5 this clown dropped. Still maintain it's all about the coaching. Something is making all these veterans quit. Petty has had at least 5 drops in each of his two starts. His completion % would be well over 60%, he'd have another 40-50 yards per game but more importantly he'd have MORE first downs for extended drives. Just fucking catch the ball. _
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 18, 2016 15:40:25 GMT -5
Not disagreeing but we need to replace him with someone like him. Love Deck butvhe aint a #1 and having Marshall worked numbers for him. Quincy isnt a #1 either. But he will be a great player for us.
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Post by ryu79 on Dec 18, 2016 22:23:52 GMT -5
I really wish Devin Smith had turned into something. Think i saw him on special teams last night, would be great to see him get some real playing time these last two games...
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Post by johnnyhector on Dec 18, 2016 22:42:15 GMT -5
Blowing out his knee really slowed down any progress he was making this year has been about getting him healthy and I don't think Bowles is in any rush to start giving him reps over Anderson and peake
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Post by Hotman on Dec 19, 2016 0:09:23 GMT -5
It was obvious even from the stands that Marshall was either dropping them on purpose or I don't know what. It must have been even more clear on tv. All alone, pass right in the breadbasket, and he drops it. Petty's completion record should be upped by the 4 or 5 this clown dropped. Still maintain it's all about the coaching. Something is making all these veterans quit. I don't think for one second that Marshall is out there purposely dropping passes. No offense, but I think it's ridiculous to suggest that. I really am not trying to defend Bowles all that much, but I don't think he's getting a fair shake. I absolutely do not agree that a bunch of players giving shitty efforts is a by product of Bowles. What changed from last year when they all played hard? I doubt Bowles changed. Players are the ones responsible for playing hard. This isn't little league. We have a bunch of shit players that wilt at the first sign of adversity. That's not something Todd Bowles can wave a magic wond and fixed. That's on the players to either suck it up and have a backbone, or the front office to find players to replace them. There are plenty of things to criticize Bowles on. Players being pathetic professionals isn't one of them I think Marshalls spirit is broken when he believed in the team. He tried getting them together in camp and called out Mevis for being a thief... Now we see who was in the right. Sure as FUCK wasn't Revis. Cant wait til these assholes are cut. Maybe Marshall wants to hang around... If he wants to ball he can stay. but he is not the problem and he's probably disgusted with his "teammates" who clearly have quit even before the season with no fucking recourse. I will say his love affair with Fitz is disturbing.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 19, 2016 7:56:57 GMT -5
I don't think for one second that Marshall is out there purposely dropping passes. No offense, but I think it's ridiculous to suggest that. I really am not trying to defend Bowles all that much, but I don't think he's getting a fair shake. I absolutely do not agree that a bunch of players giving shitty efforts is a by product of Bowles. What changed from last year when they all played hard? I doubt Bowles changed. Players are the ones responsible for playing hard. This isn't little league. We have a bunch of shit players that wilt at the first sign of adversity. That's not something Todd Bowles can wave a magic wond and fixed. That's on the players to either suck it up and have a backbone, or the front office to find players to replace them. There are plenty of things to criticize Bowles on. Players being pathetic professionals isn't one of them I think Marshalls spirit is broken when he believed in the team. He tried getting them together in camp and called out Mevis for being a thief... Now we see who was in the right. Sure as FUCK wasn't Revis. Cant wait til these assholes are cut. Maybe Marshall wants to hang around... If he wants to ball he can stay. but he is not the problem and he's probably disgusted with his "teammates" who clearly have quit even before the season with no fucking recourse. I will say his love affair with Fitz is disturbing. I think that's very possible. For a guy whose entire career has been labeled as a bad locker room guy, I think he really did give a legitimate effort to not be that here, and this is how it unfolds for him. I think it very well could have broke his spirit as you say.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 19, 2016 9:21:01 GMT -5
Marshall has been a net positive for this team. By a considerable margin. And I think he is past the issues that plagued him earlier in his career.
But if people want to release or trade him I can understand why. He is no spring chicken and this team is not a contender. And he does drop balls at what seems like the worst possible times. And its happened too many times to be considered a coincidence. But I also caution that getting rid of him is going to hurt Decker and Enunwa. Defenses fear Marshall and I think he still has plenty in the tank.
As for Bowles, there were plenty of times last year where I felt the team had no fire, came out flat and looked unprepared. So I do think that it is a fair criticism. I dont want to pin this all on him but I dont think he will be a good coach for a young team. He'll probably get another shot elsewhere but I wouldn't be surprised if he ultimately goes back to being a DC. There are a lot of great coordinators that just didn't make good HCs. Nothing to be ashamed of. There are only 32 of those jobs in the world and only a handful are truly very good at it.
Regardless of who coaches us next year we need to import some leadership like Mangini did. I feel like Enunwa has a chance to be a decent homegrown leader but the nature of his position and the fact that he is still young work against him a little. Would like to see us bring in some nastiness on the OL and DL. Where are Woody, Faneca and Jenkins when you need them? I dont know what we are going to do with the secondary. Our secondary situation might be the worst in the league. Definitely bottom 5.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 19, 2016 9:21:15 GMT -5
I've got to say, from an emotional rooting standpoint, I like the young guys (Leo, Jenkins, Simon, Lee, Burris, Peake, Marshall, Petty etc..) far more than the vets. But I really can't be sure why. I suspect it may be because they haven't been letting me down for the past 4+ years.
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Post by Harrier on Jan 2, 2017 9:06:27 GMT -5
Time for B-Marsh to hit the bricks along with Sheldon if this article is anything to go by, and from what the players are sayin it sounds like the pair of them derailed this season from day one.
It also sounds like Marshall is the one who is hated in the locker room the most not Sheldon, which is confirmation and an indictment of what we always knew about Marshall's character, just read Enunwa's comments here.
A leopard never changes its spots, Marshall tried his best to pull the wool over our eyes giving the illusion he has changed but in the end his character that has plagued his entire career was to hard to hide beyond two seasons.
I watch his interviews and get the impression that in his head he is someone different to what we all see, he thinks he's a a respected leader who his team mates respect and want to hear none stop, but in reality he comes across with the illness he was diagnosed with and he is very child like and irritating to listen to.
He grates on teammates and is divisive, I can only imagine how all that Firz love was perceived in the locker room, it probably alienated him from the rest of the team and I get the feeling he is the reason we have a defense V's offense war on our hands.
He talks and shouts at HT demanding accountability when he should look in the mirror at his own shortcomings and critical backbreaking drops. For young guys like Lee and Jenkins, I can only imagine their pain at bein in a lockeroom with this Marshall whilst trying to adjust to the pros.
Time to cut tone time 2.0 before he causes anymore damage.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 2, 2017 9:26:05 GMT -5
Supposedly Marshall already cleared out his locker on Friday.
Beginning to sound more and more like he reverted back into the fuckhead that he was in Denver, Miami and Chicago this season.
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Post by Harrier on Jan 2, 2017 9:26:16 GMT -5
Leader...
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Post by Harrier on Jan 2, 2017 9:30:28 GMT -5
I hate Sheldon with a passion, but the fact the locker room has turned on Marshall tells its own story about what a dick he is.
He's responsible for this season advocating Fitz's return and influencing team decision making.
The guy is a prick, always has been.
Mind ------ Matter
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