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Post by mrcoops on Jan 5, 2017 11:38:36 GMT -5
I wonder if there's any chance the Jets try to retain Geno Smith on a dirt cheap deal? Fitz is a goner and, in some limited work, Geno seemed competent for the first time in a while. I certainly trust him a lot more than Petty and Hack right now. One thing I do not want to do is go with 4 QBs again. We need to either sign a veteran (a better version of Fitz) and let him compete with Petty and Hack, or we need to sign a Vet, retain Geno with a Backup QB type contract, and keep ONE OF either Petty or Hack. Wow. A brave man, putting himself at risk of forum ridicule. I agree with you. I'd resign Geno. With Fitz gone, he would be the best QB on our roster. Is it beyond the realm of possibility, that Smith, given another shot, can step up his game??? We should have retained Geno and let Fitz leave last year, as many people said at the time. Similar production for a lot less money. Depending on how his rehab and the FA market shake out, I wouldn't be opposed to giving Geno another shot. He's certainly a much better option than either Petty or Hack at this point. If we can't land a Glennon or a Tyrod or a Hoyer, or pull off a cheap trade for a guy like McCarron, then bringing Geno back on a prove-it deal could be the best way to go.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 5, 2017 11:52:40 GMT -5
I wonder if there's any chance the Jets try to retain Geno Smith on a dirt cheap deal? Fitz is a goner and, in some limited work, Geno seemed competent for the first time in a while. I certainly trust him a lot more than Petty and Hack right now. One thing I do not want to do is go with 4 QBs again. We need to either sign a veteran (a better version of Fitz) and let him compete with Petty and Hack, or we need to sign a Vet, retain Geno with a Backup QB type contract, and keep ONE OF either Petty or Hack. Wow. A brave man, putting himself at risk of forum ridicule. I agree with you. I'd resign Geno. With Fitz gone, he would be the best QB on our roster. Is it beyond the realm of possibility, that Smith, given another shot, can step up his game??? Disclaimer: All things being equal, I give people the benefit of the doubt. Given a 50/50 chance I tend to take a shot. You can't be a Hampurite and not expect ridicule so why not state the obvious? Geno Smith has had the best arm on this team for 4 years. He's a reasonable dual threat with his legs and has shown, on more than one occasion, that he can make big plays. He's also shown a propensity to be a complete knucklehead, say stupid stuff that gets him punched in the face, and make some boneheaded decisions on the field. (Most of those things are 2+ years ago) I do think he's better now than he was his first two years and has matured some. I do think he looked very good in the limited action he saw in Gailey's system. I do think he rarely got the chance to play with guys like Marshall and Decker who clearly benefited Fitzpatrick. I still remember his games in Miami where he looked sensational, his MNF game in Atlanta, etc. A true QB coach/guru could probably work some wonders with this guy. With all that said, unfortunately, he's the best we've got right now. I don't think there will be a strong market for him. I'd sign him to a deal that's slightly better than Backup QB money and gives him incentives should he become starter. He's the ONLY guy with experience at this point. I'd still go after a veteran QB in free agency but we need to have a "starting caliber" QB, even if just in name only, before we head into the Draft. You don't want to look like a needy team....even though we all know the Jets are. Man, Geno's injury really screwed up some things, primarily for him. He likely lost the chance to create a decent market for himself. I think he would have played fairly well this year and garnered some interest in the open market (ex. high-end #2 money).
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Post by gman on Jan 5, 2017 13:22:04 GMT -5
Wow. A brave man, putting himself at risk of forum ridicule. I agree with you. I'd resign Geno. With Fitz gone, he would be the best QB on our roster. Is it beyond the realm of possibility, that Smith, given another shot, can step up his game??? Disclaimer: All things being equal, I give people the benefit of the doubt. Given a 50/50 chance I tend to take a shot. You can't be a Hampurite and not expect ridicule so why not state the obvious? Geno Smith has had the best arm on this team for 4 years. He's a reasonable dual threat with his legs and has shown, on more than one occasion, that he can make big plays. He's also shown a propensity to be a complete knucklehead, say stupid stuff that gets him punched in the face, and make some boneheaded decisions on the field. (Most of those things are 2+ years ago) I do think he's better now than he was his first two years and has matured some. I do think he looked very good in the limited action he saw in Gailey's system. I do think he rarely got the chance to play with guys like Marshall and Decker who clearly benefited Fitzpatrick. I still remember his games in Miami where he looked sensational, his MNF game in Atlanta, etc. A true QB coach/guru could probably work some wonders with this guy. With all that said, unfortunately, he's the best we've got right now. I don't think there will be a strong market for him. I'd sign him to a deal that's slightly better than Backup QB money and gives him incentives should he become starter. He's the ONLY guy with experience at this point. I'd still go after a veteran QB in free agency but we need to have a "starting caliber" QB, even if just in name only, before we head into the Draft. You don't want to look like a needy team....even though we all know the Jets are. Man, Geno's injury really screwed up some things, primarily for him. He likely lost the chance to create a decent market for himself. I think he would have played fairly well this year and garnered some interest in the open market (ex. high-end #2 money). You would sign Geno plus another FA QB? I guess you would get rid of Petty at that point? I don't see them tossing Hack aside at this point. Do you consider Glennon or Taylor a free agent type to go after when signing Geno or are you thinking more along the lines of Shaun Hill type guy?
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Post by Touchable on Jan 5, 2017 13:42:20 GMT -5
The only QB I'd bring in is maybe a cheap, decent vet like Hoyer.
I'm not making any major financial commitments to any of these guys. Even a Mike Glennon will probably cost you $12+ million per.
Just sink or swim with Hack. If he shows promise, awesome.
If he sucks ass...whatever. Then we'll be in prime position for someone like Darnold, Rosen or Falk next year.
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Post by genot on Jan 5, 2017 16:41:37 GMT -5
Wow. A brave man, putting himself at risk of forum ridicule. I agree with you. I'd resign Geno. With Fitz gone, he would be the best QB on our roster. Is it beyond the realm of possibility, that Smith, given another shot, can step up his game??? Disclaimer: All things being equal, I give people the benefit of the doubt. Given a 50/50 chance I tend to take a shot. You can't be a Hampurite and not expect ridicule so why not state the obvious? Geno Smith has had the best arm on this team for 4 years. He's a reasonable dual threat with his legs and has shown, on more than one occasion, that he can make big plays. He's also shown a propensity to be a complete knucklehead, say stupid stuff that gets him punched in the face, and make some boneheaded decisions on the field. (Most of those things are 2+ years ago) I do think he's better now than he was his first two years and has matured some. I do think he looked very good in the limited action he saw in Gailey's system. I do think he rarely got the chance to play with guys like Marshall and Decker who clearly benefited Fitzpatrick. I still remember his games in Miami where he looked sensational, his MNF game in Atlanta, etc. A true QB coach/guru could probably work some wonders with this guy. With all that said, unfortunately, he's the best we've got right now. I don't think there will be a strong market for him. I'd sign him to a deal that's slightly better than Backup QB money and gives him incentives should he become starter. He's the ONLY guy with experience at this point. I'd still go after a veteran QB in free agency but we need to have a "starting caliber" QB, even if just in name only, before we head into the Draft. You don't want to look like a needy team....even though we all know the Jets are. Man, Geno's injury really screwed up some things, primarily for him. He likely lost the chance to create a decent market for himself. I think he would have played fairly well this year and garnered some interest in the open market (ex. high-end #2 money). The ridicule would have been in I love you, but are you crazy kind of way. Lol Geno has all the tools. Has he matured in the last two years? Does he have the temperament??I'd love to see Geno get another shot. he knows it would be his last one.
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Post by JStokes on Jan 5, 2017 16:57:10 GMT -5
Geno Smith?
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 5, 2017 17:10:57 GMT -5
Disclaimer: All things being equal, I give people the benefit of the doubt. Given a 50/50 chance I tend to take a shot. You can't be a Hampurite and not expect ridicule so why not state the obvious? Geno Smith has had the best arm on this team for 4 years. He's a reasonable dual threat with his legs and has shown, on more than one occasion, that he can make big plays. He's also shown a propensity to be a complete knucklehead, say stupid stuff that gets him punched in the face, and make some boneheaded decisions on the field. (Most of those things are 2+ years ago) I do think he's better now than he was his first two years and has matured some. I do think he looked very good in the limited action he saw in Gailey's system. I do think he rarely got the chance to play with guys like Marshall and Decker who clearly benefited Fitzpatrick. I still remember his games in Miami where he looked sensational, his MNF game in Atlanta, etc. A true QB coach/guru could probably work some wonders with this guy. With all that said, unfortunately, he's the best we've got right now. I don't think there will be a strong market for him. I'd sign him to a deal that's slightly better than Backup QB money and gives him incentives should he become starter. He's the ONLY guy with experience at this point. I'd still go after a veteran QB in free agency but we need to have a "starting caliber" QB, even if just in name only, before we head into the Draft. You don't want to look like a needy team....even though we all know the Jets are. Man, Geno's injury really screwed up some things, primarily for him. He likely lost the chance to create a decent market for himself. I think he would have played fairly well this year and garnered some interest in the open market (ex. high-end #2 money). You would sign Geno plus another FA QB? I guess you would get rid of Petty at that point? I don't see them tossing Hack aside at this point. Do you consider Glennon or Taylor a free agent type to go after when signing Geno or are you thinking more along the lines of Shaun Hill type guy? The money is a big factor but I agree with you about not keeping Geno AND Petty AND Hack. I still think it would be too early to give up on Petty but I still see Petty and Hack in the same light (two guys who are developmental, unknowns who are not ready to be a QB1 yet.). I honestly don't know what to do with this QB situation. A Tyrod Taylor or Glennon seem like high-end backups, sorta like Geno. They are guys who after several years still have done enough that people point to them as clear starters. I guess we could have an open competition between Geno and Glennon but we'd likely only keep one of Hack or Petty after that. I think Geno becomes more necessary if the Jets did something like make a big splash with a premiere, but injury-prone QB like Romo. My bottom line is that if the Jets are going to say goodbye to both Fitz and Geno, and they desire to keep both Petty and Hack, then they'll not only need a veteran who they are sure can be a starter (even if he's not a good starter) but they'll need a guy with little/no frequent injury history. Question - Would you trade Sheldon Richardson and something like two 2nd round draft picks (2017, 2018) for Tony Romo?
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 5, 2017 17:12:55 GMT -5
It is sad that he's currently the best QB on our roster and most people consider him a high-end backup.
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Post by JStokes on Jan 5, 2017 17:19:39 GMT -5
It is sad that he's currently the best QB on our roster and most people consider him a high-end backup. I'm not "most people" I guess. _
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Post by genot on Jan 5, 2017 17:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 5, 2017 17:24:54 GMT -5
It is sad that he's currently the best QB on our roster and most people consider him a high-end backup. I'm not "most people" I guess. _ Are you saying you consider him more than a backup?
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Post by genot on Jan 5, 2017 17:28:05 GMT -5
It is sad that he's currently the best QB on our roster and most people consider him a high-end backup. I'm not "most people" I guess. _ Like Jetstream said Stokes, he's the best guy we can get at a reasonable price. Ya never know. If the light bulb turns on, he can make plays. Im not saying that's gonna happen. history says otherwise. But, ya never know.
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Post by JStokes on Jan 5, 2017 17:55:09 GMT -5
I'm not "most people" I guess. _ Are you saying you consider him more than a backup? No, I consider him a waste of time with his 5 cent head. I'd rather lose with Hack or Petty in hopes of developing them than trot Geno out there and watch him backpedal 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage and throw picks. Never liked his game nor like punk persona. _
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Post by JStokes on Jan 5, 2017 17:55:43 GMT -5
I'm not "most people" I guess. _ Like Jetstream said Stokes, he's the best guy we can get at a reasonable price. Ya never know. If the light bulb turns on, he can make plays. Im not saying that's gonna happen. history says otherwise. But, ya never know. I'd rather go with options b-z. _
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Post by TheMo on Jan 5, 2017 18:56:08 GMT -5
You would sign Geno plus another FA QB? I guess you would get rid of Petty at that point? I don't see them tossing Hack aside at this point. Do you consider Glennon or Taylor a free agent type to go after when signing Geno or are you thinking more along the lines of Shaun Hill type guy? The money is a big factor but I agree with you about not keeping Geno AND Petty AND Hack. I still think it would be too early to give up on Petty but I still see Petty and Hack in the same light (two guys who are developmental, unknowns who are not ready to be a QB1 yet.). I honestly don't know what to do with this QB situation. A Tyrod Taylor or Glennon seem like high-end backups, sorta like Geno. They are guys who after several years still have done enough that people point to them as clear starters. I guess we could have an open competition between Geno and Glennon but we'd likely only keep one of Hack or Petty after that. I think Geno becomes more necessary if the Jets did something like make a big splash with a premiere, but injury-prone QB like Romo. My bottom line is that if the Jets are going to say goodbye to both Fitz and Geno, and they desire to keep both Petty and Hack, then they'll not only need a veteran who they are sure can be a starter (even if he's not a good starter) but they'll need a guy with little/no frequent injury history. Question - Would you trade Sheldon Richardson and something like two 2nd round draft picks (2017, 2018) for Tony Romo? Fuck no. Romo will get released probably. Cap charge is huge and he his injury prone so I am not giving any picks for that.
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