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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 7, 2017 20:13:53 GMT -5
Howard looks awful and he is carrying a lot more weight now than he did when he was here. 1. Need a LT 2. Use a first round pick on one. This is looking like another meat and potatoes draft. Not a lot of sex appeal. If we use the 6th pick of the draft on any of the tackles coming out I will personally drive to Florham Park and drop a hot steaming dump on McCags desk. As important as LT is you cannot reach for one and make believe he's a stud. _ I hear you but whats out there? The best pass rushers will be gone. There are 2 good RB prospects but they are RBs. And one of them sat out his bowl game like a pussy and is already spending his bonus. QB? Do we go to the well again and send a message that we wasted our 2nd round pick in 2016? There are a couple of safeties that people have ranked high.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jan 7, 2017 20:33:38 GMT -5
I hear you but whats out there? The best pass rushers will be gone. There are 2 good RB prospects but they are RBs. And one of them sat out his bowl game like a pussy and is already spending his bonus. QB? Do we go to the well again and send a message that we wasted our 2nd round pick in 2016? There are a couple of safeties that people have ranked high. We're going to suck for awhile. There is no quick fix. We'll have plenty of time to find our stud LT, but you do not pass on an elite player for the next Jason Smith or Greg Robinson.
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Post by JStokes on Jan 7, 2017 20:45:38 GMT -5
If we use the 6th pick of the draft on any of the tackles coming out I will personally drive to Florham Park and drop a hot steaming dump on McCags desk. As important as LT is you cannot reach for one and make believe he's a stud. _ I hear you but whats out there? The best pass rushers will be gone. There are 2 good RB prospects but they are RBs. And one of them sat out his bowl game like a pussy and is already spending his bonus. QB? Do we go to the well again and send a message that we wasted our 2nd round pick in 2016? There are a couple of safeties that people have ranked high. 1. Never reach even if it's a position of need. 2. None of the tackles are worth the 6th pick of the draft. If we could drop back and get an extra pick or two, absolutely. But using the 6 pick on a tackle would be a tremendous misuse of value. 3. I have never advocated taking a RB in round 1 but both these guys are special talents and could give us a playmaker in offense we haven't had in decades. I'd pinch my nose and take one of them and be happy for the next 5-6 years. Especially with the uncertainty at QB, a dynamic run game would be ideal. 4. I don't care what message it would send. Actually it would send a good message that McGag won't let past mistakes (and it was a massive mistake) dictate what he does in the future. If they love Trubisky and he's there they have to take him. Notwithstanding my man live for Petty. Let them battle it out. Hack is a throw away pick. _
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jan 7, 2017 21:41:06 GMT -5
Problem - franchise is a mess, failure and joke with no identity.
Answer - change the logo, uniforms, colors, get a new stadium (a jets only stadium in NYC).
I bet that changes the losing morbid disgusting culture of the team more than anything else.
Or move to Nome and suck in the freezing waste of the north. I think of it as moving the Jets beyond The Wall. Let the wildings and white walkers root for these losers.
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Post by ryu79 on Jan 7, 2017 22:07:15 GMT -5
It's easy.... 1. State a problem. A. Post a potential fix or strategy.1. We have not one, but two young QBs that no one knows whether they can develop into NFL starters. A. Hire a "QB guru" or a guy with previous QB development experience. The Jets went after Eagles QB coach John DeFilippo for their OC position, he was denied the opportunity to interview. #CockBlock But this is a good early indication that the Jets are clearly focusing on guys with strong QB chops for their OC position. Let's not forget though, the OC needs to do more than develop a QB. He needs to coordinate the whole offense. I'm not sure how many guys are available that are true OC caliber candidates AND have a good track record developing QBs. B. Hope that the Texans lose later today and fire Bill O'Brien. O'Brien would likely get an HC interview or two with other teams like LA and possibly Denver, but the Jets should pray he someone gets into the market for an OC job. He previously coached Christian Hackenberg to his most successful season at Penn State. Hiring O'Brien as Offensive Coordinator - Assistant Head Coach would be a potential dream scenario and the best shot that Hackenberg ever becomes a starting QB. 2. Related to the above, the Jets have no clear QB and, at best, may field a veteran game-manager type that they acquire in the offseason. A. Build the running game. Focus on the offensive line and draft a young RB in the early rounds of the Draft. Forte will be back (he costs too much to cut) and Powell has shown that he probably should have been getting 100+ carries per season for the years but the Jets didn't realize it. Adding a RB (insert Fournette, Cook, etc. HERE) with Forte and Powell would elevate the Jets to having one of the most elite backfields in the NFL. It would be talented AND deep. But the Jets need to sign a true LT in free agency (I'd argue it should be their biggest FA spending move), solidify the RG position, and hope that Brandon Shell has become a good RT. I'd also love to land a Center/OG prospect like Ohio State's Elfein in Round 2. Put it this way, if the Jets found a way for Ijalana, Qvale and Wes Johnson to be backups because the Jets found 5 true starters on OLine then we'd be set. great thinking and thread idea. Thank you.
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Post by maury77 on Jan 7, 2017 23:17:37 GMT -5
Problem: Our secondary sucks elephant cock
Answer:
Cut Revis - obvious and discussed ad nauseum.
Keep Gilchrist and Skrine (but only for one more year) - we will carry some dead money after cutting Revis. Gilchrist is an average player, but that he is also not getting paid a ton. Skrine is overpaid based on his performance, but we need to bring back some experience in the secondary. Play him at nickel this year and cut him at the end of 2017.
Start Burris - Yup. Give the kid a chance, he looked solid at the end of the year.
Add a CB in FA - Bouye, Gillmore, the 2 guys in NE, Trumaine Johnson. There are a lot of candidates available in FA.
Add a CB and a safety in the first 4 rounds of the draft - This draft class is LOADED at CB and S. 2 of our first 4 picks should be at those positions.
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Post by Yankees45 on Jan 7, 2017 23:46:56 GMT -5
If they don't want the unc qb and are tryna win now idgaf throw a 6 or 7th to dal for romo , use fa for oline , draft cook . Draft some olineand some secondary and pass rushers. Maybe cut revis but Idk the circumstances as to why he fuckin sucked this year , maybe he was playing hurt or health issues , have him come back at a lower weight and running faster than he stays if not cut. If no romo or unc qb , sign a vet and let petty and hack fight it out .
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Post by genot on Jan 8, 2017 9:23:12 GMT -5
We had a good RT and a good guard in Howard and Slauson. Lets not let another one get away. Resign Winters. He played well this year. Nobody is going throw a bunch of money at a right guard. Money shouldn't be an issue. I have not followed him since he went to the Raiduhs. While with us the thing he was best at was helping our Qb up off the dirt after his man sacked him. Slauson, I would have liked to keep. Howard gave up five sacks in his last two years starting for the Jets. That's a fact. he also was one of the least penalized right tackles in the league. Please understand, I don't care about him anymore, and he never was a great player, but he was a hell of a lot better than Breno. Last time I ever mention his name. I promise
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 8, 2017 11:24:54 GMT -5
Problem: Our secondary sucks elephant cock Answer: Cut Revis - obvious and discussed ad nauseum. Keep Gilchrist and Skrine (but only for one more year) - we will carry some dead money after cutting Revis. Gilchrist is an average player, but that he is also not getting paid a ton. Skrine is overpaid based on his performance, but we need to bring back some experience in the secondary. Play him at nickel this year and cut him at the end of 2017. Start Burris - Yup. Give the kid a chance, he looked solid at the end of the year. Add a CB in FA - Bouye, Gillmore, the 2 guys in NE, Trumaine Johnson. There are a lot of candidates available in FA. Add a CB and a safety in the first 4 rounds of the draft - This draft class is LOADED at CB and S. 2 of our first 4 picks should be at those positions. I like the approach. The problem is that we seem to have no fewer than 5 or 6 wants/needs for those first 3 or 4 draft picks. OLine, CB, RB, OLB, QB, S, etc. But let's stick with your plan. Bye bye Revis. Skrine and Burris retained, assuming at Slot CB and CB2 respectively, which still puts us in a need for a CB1 that would have to come from FA presumably. What do you think about lower rung guys like Roberts, Marcus Williams, etc.? We know Bowles likes to have a big group of DBs - The Jets roster currently lists 8 guys at CB only, excluding safeties. McDougle is still here, etc.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 8, 2017 11:30:24 GMT -5
If they don't want the unc qb and are tryna win now idgaf throw a 6 or 7th to dal for romo , use fa for oline , draft cook . Draft some olineand some secondary and pass rushers. Maybe cut revis but Idk the circumstances as to why he fuckin sucked this year , maybe he was playing hurt or health issues , have him come back at a lower weight and running faster than he stays if not cut. If no romo or unc qb , sign a vet and let petty and hack fight it out . This just doesn't seem like a year to draft a QB. I like the plan of pursuing a veteran in a trade or FA, and using our draft picks to build the OLine, running game, and a couple of select spots on Defense (CB, OLB). Given that it seems to be a never-ending pursuit for a true franchise QB the Jets should build their longterm identity on offense around running the football. It should be who they are, it should be perennial, it should be an organizational commitment to always have more than 1 stud RB and maintain an above average Offensive Line. Like paying your electric bill each month, the Jets should ensure every offseason that they shape the offensive roster with enough talent that the Jets are a Top 10 rushing team.
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Post by MDL JET on Jan 8, 2017 12:21:04 GMT -5
If they don't want the unc qb and are tryna win now idgaf throw a 6 or 7th to dal for romo , use fa for oline , draft cook . Draft some olineand some secondary and pass rushers. Maybe cut revis but Idk the circumstances as to why he fuckin sucked this year , maybe he was playing hurt or health issues , have him come back at a lower weight and running faster than he stays if not cut. If no romo or unc qb , sign a vet and let petty and hack fight it out . This just doesn't seem like a year to draft a QB. I like the plan of pursuing a veteran in a trade or FA, and using our draft picks to build the OLine, running game, and a couple of select spots on Defense (CB, OLB). Given that it seems to be a never-ending pursuit for a true franchise QB the Jets should build their longterm identity on offense around running the football. It should be who they are, it should be perennial, it should be an organizational commitment to always have more than 1 stud RB and maintain an above average Offensive Line. Like paying your electric bill each month, the Jets should ensure every offseason that they shape the offensive roster with enough talent that the Jets are a Top 10 rushing team. Meh. I'd rather do that with young QBs. Theres no veteran worth trading for. Romo could be worth it but he's turning 37 and made of glass. So you'd be potentially throwing picks away for nothing in return. And again failing to build through the draft. Just stay young, even at qb. At least it'll keep us drafting high incase there is a legit qb coming out.
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Post by maury77 on Jan 8, 2017 15:35:33 GMT -5
Problem: Our secondary sucks elephant cock Answer: Cut Revis - obvious and discussed ad nauseum. Keep Gilchrist and Skrine (but only for one more year) - we will carry some dead money after cutting Revis. Gilchrist is an average player, but that he is also not getting paid a ton. Skrine is overpaid based on his performance, but we need to bring back some experience in the secondary. Play him at nickel this year and cut him at the end of 2017. Start Burris - Yup. Give the kid a chance, he looked solid at the end of the year. Add a CB in FA - Bouye, Gillmore, the 2 guys in NE, Trumaine Johnson. There are a lot of candidates available in FA. Add a CB and a safety in the first 4 rounds of the draft - This draft class is LOADED at CB and S. 2 of our first 4 picks should be at those positions. I like the approach. The problem is that we seem to have no fewer than 5 or 6 wants/needs for those first 3 or 4 draft picks. OLine, CB, RB, OLB, QB, S, etc.But let's stick with your plan. Bye bye Revis. Skrine and Burris retained, assuming at Slot CB and CB2 respectively, which still puts us in a need for a CB1 that would have to come from FA presumably. What do you think about lower rung guys like Roberts, Marcus Williams, etc.? We know Bowles likes to have a big group of DBs - The Jets roster currently lists 8 guys at CB only, excluding safeties. McDougle is still here, etc. I agree 100%. We are not going to be very good next year. If we play our cards right, maybe 8-8 or 9-7 and compete for a wild card, which I am ok with as long as we are moving in the right direction. I don't mind Roberts or Williams as a dime back.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 8, 2017 23:09:25 GMT -5
I think the best we can hope for is a group of about 7 like this....
1. FA SIGNEE 2. J. Burris 3. B. Skrine 4. DRAFT PICK 5. D. Roberts 6. M. Williams 7. N. Marshall
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jan 8, 2017 23:16:00 GMT -5
I think the best we can hope for is a group of about 7 like this.... 1. FA SIGNEE 2. J. Burris 3. B. Skrine 4. DRAFT PICK 5. D. Roberts 6. M. Williams 7. N. Marshall Nah this CB draft class is extremely deep. It's probably the best I've ever seen. There are at least 10 CBs that would start over Burris even though he showed a little promise. I'd be pissed if we didn't take one in the first 3 rounds. It would be like Idzik waiting to take a WR. I agree that we need to sign someone though. I'm hoping for Marcus Cooper. He shouldn't be expensive, he's young, and he fits Bowles system.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 9, 2017 0:23:35 GMT -5
I think the best we can hope for is a group of about 7 like this.... 1. FA SIGNEE 2. J. Burris 3. B. Skrine 4. DRAFT PICK 5. D. Roberts 6. M. Williams 7. N. Marshall Nah this CB draft class is extremely deep. It's probably the best I've ever seen. There are at least 10 CBs that would start over Burris even though he showed a little promise. I'd be pissed if we didn't take one in the first 3 rounds. It would be like Idzik waiting to take a WR. I agree that we need to sign someone though. I'm hoping for Marcus Cooper. He shouldn't be expensive, he's young, and he fits Bowles system. Good post! I wouldn't mind seeing the Jets take what this Draft seems to be offering.....OLB/Edge players, Cornerbacks and Running Backs. We need all three and those seem to be some of the deepest positions in the Draft.
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