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Post by ryu79 on Apr 30, 2017 22:43:25 GMT -5
Thinking ahead to next season - what would a good outcome be for us?
I just can't see Bowles going 100% tank, so assuming he's trying win as much as he can with a depleted roster, how many can we afford to win and still be in a position to draft one of these top three or four qbs that are so hyped for the 2018 draft - i'm guessing one or two drop down in hype as we near either as folks scrutinize tape more, or they slump, or get hurt - so say there are two qbs you'd really want, we want to at worst be picking top three, which implies prob no more than two or three wins to seal right?
Conversely, what would Hack need to do to make us no longer care? No matter how good he is, with our talent, its tough to expect a winning record and he may not even play enough games to deliver a big enough sample.
i am worried the most jets outcome possible is Hack or Petty does pretty well, surprising people, and we end up picking 7-10 (with like 4 wins or something annoying like that) unsure if we want to mortgage the farm to go up for one of the two anointed qbs.
Is there anything, realistically, Hack or Petty could do that would make you think twice about picking Darnold, Allen or Rosen a year from now?
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Apr 30, 2017 22:53:40 GMT -5
While I get what you are saying, if Hack or Petty are good enough to get this current roster to 7 or 8 wins, then that's a very good thing. We'd already have our QB.
Success for me this year won't be based on W/L.
Success for me is Lee building off the finish to his year and becoming a very solid player.
Shell continuing to improve and cementing himself as the answer at RT.
Jenkins becoming a solid starter.
Adams and Maye starting and playing well. Stewart having0 a role at WR and ST. At least 2 other rookie having a solid role. Basically, success to me is seeing that we have a good young nucleus to build on.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Apr 30, 2017 23:06:02 GMT -5
1-15 at the absolute best. #1 pick and we finally get a shot at a legitimate franchise QB. Anything else is a failure. This team will never win anything without a QB. I hope we lose every single game.
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 30, 2017 23:50:42 GMT -5
Hampurcon at stokes Pool
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 1, 2017 5:00:29 GMT -5
It's all or nothing. Either Hack or Petty emerge as a very good QB who is soon to be great, or they finish no better than 1-15.
While I care about how the other players perform, in the long run it doesn't matter because the NFL is a QB driven league. If the only thing Mac and Bowles ever do is secure the first pick in next year's draft, even if they get fired they deserve statues.
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Post by DDNYjets on May 1, 2017 7:06:56 GMT -5
First overall pick is success. You dont want to be competing with the teams that have multiple first rounders to move up for one of the QBs we assume (and thats all it is) will be drafted at the top.
From a personnel standpoint we want our rookies show durability, growth and potential for the future. And we want our OL that in my opinion over-performed last year to prove that wasnt an outlier a la 2015 Fitz.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 1, 2017 7:12:02 GMT -5
First overall pick is success. You dont want to be competing with the teams that have multiple first rounders to move up for one of the QBs we assume (and thats all it is) will be drafted at the top. From a personnel standpoint we want our rookies show durability, growth and potential for the future. And we want our OL that in my opinion over-performed last year to prove that wasnt an outlier a la 2015 Fitz. The perfect season would be 16 losses with an average score of 13 - 6. |
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Post by crossfire on May 1, 2017 7:13:00 GMT -5
Hackenberg or Petty looking like a top 10-15 QB.
Otherwise, no more than two wins but the team played hard and was in most games.
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Post by crossfire on May 1, 2017 7:24:36 GMT -5
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Post by beerfish on May 1, 2017 9:17:37 GMT -5
Picking 1st in next years draft would be the biggest success.
The worst thing possible would be a Rex like undeserved 8-8 record that keeps boles around for another year and has us pining in the teens or 20's
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 1, 2017 10:40:51 GMT -5
Success will be measured IMO by individual player growth and development. And hopefully a top draft pick.
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Post by Lithfan on May 1, 2017 10:50:45 GMT -5
From a fan's persepctive, if we are not going to make the playoffs, may as well finish with the #1 overall pick. But in order to evaluate the CS, success should be about evaluating the growth and development of the young players more than W-L record. And as a fan, not expecting us to be a contender, I just want to see a bunch of young guys, playing hard and getting better from September to December.
For the GM, I really think it is about evaluating the construction of the roster. Are we still going to have the same holes we have had for the past 3 years heading into 2018? Or will some of the bottom of the roster guys prove that they can be more. Will Shell/Ijalana &/or Beachum prove to give us a solid starting tackle tandem? Will Hack or Petty prove to be more than a career back-up and epic bust? Will Morris Claiborne, Juston Burris or even Marcus Williams prove that he can be a true #1 shutdown CB? Will one of our young LBs -- Mauldin, Jenkins, Lemonier, Donahue, Lee prove that they can be difference makers and get after the QB?
If the answer to a few of these questions is Yes, then maybe Macc should be back. But if we head into 2018, after 3 seasons with Macc in charge of the roster, with questions at LT, QB, WR1, Edge, CB, feature back -- the most important positions in the game, then I think it will be time for a change. And if it is time to change GM, then that includes HC as well, regardless of how the young guys develop.
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Post by MDL JET on May 1, 2017 11:34:53 GMT -5
Success is being in every game. Not getting blown out and seeing effort on every down. I wanna see the passion of a young team but expect loses because of inexperience.
For one of the QBs to make us not think about drafting one, we gotta see 60 or above completion percentage. And just winning us games. It will be very noticeable. Average play won't do it.
I full expect Mac to be back. He'll get his chance at drafting his QB next year if Hack fails and then go from there.
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Post by jetstream23 on May 1, 2017 12:10:27 GMT -5
Is there a deep end? (asking for a friend) |
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Post by jetstream23 on May 1, 2017 12:23:59 GMT -5
Success is being in every game. Not getting blown out and seeing effort on every down. I wanna see the passion of a young team but expect loses because of inexperience. For one of the QBs to make us not think about drafting one, we gotta see 60 or above completion percentage. And just winning us games. It will be very noticeable. Average play won't do it. I full expect Mac to be back. He'll get his chance at drafting his QB next year if Hack fails and then go from there. I agree with this but let's be clear about Macc drafting "his QB." He already has two. In fact, he traded to move up for one (Petty) and used a valuable 2nd round pick for his other QB (Hackenberg). He was also in position to draft a QB this year and had his choice of any QB save one (Trubisky who went #2). Without needing to trade Maccagnan could have taken at #6 a guy who the Chiefs traded up to pick at #10 (Mahomes), or he could have taken Watson. If I'm the owner of the Jets I have to look at Macc and evaluate his QB approach based on those facts. He's drafted two QBs and, if actions speak louder than words, he believes those guys are both better prospects than taking ANY OTHER QB than Trubisky in this Draft. That says a LOT. I could argue that one approach would have been to select Mahomes and cut Petty. That strategy would be to let both Hack and Mahomes learn behind an experienced veteran in McCown who has leadership qualities and mentoring abilities. No, I'm not saying the Jets SHOULD have done that. They 100% did the correct thing in taking the best player in the Draft in Jamal Adams. But when it comes to QBs you have to look at the actions of the GM and see where he has placed his bets. Maccagnan has told us that Hack and Petty are better prospects than DeShaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes. AND, the Jets have had 1-2 years to evaluate Petty and Hack already so, other than the usual risk of taking a draft pick, he made an informed decision based on what he knows about the quality of his QB depth chart. |
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