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Post by cgjet on May 2, 2017 9:32:37 GMT -5
Stating the obvious, it's a team with many holes. The most glaring is the question at the QB position. However, this is a pretty weak schedule. I sure hope Hackenberg or Petty makes strides this year, because I tend to agree that the Jets may not be in a position to get one of the top QB's in the 2018 draft w/o giving up a king's ransom in draft picks.
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Post by Big L on May 2, 2017 9:35:38 GMT -5
8-8. Flirt with playoff spot last few weeks, fall short. Jets perform well with zero expectations for the season. And then 8-8 puts them picking 14th overall, missing out on any potential franchise QB in next years draft. /endthread. Assuming Hack or Petty are playing, 8-8 with this schedule and roster, we may have already found a franchise QB. 6 of those 8 wins would be solely by defense and special teams.
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Post by Touchable on May 2, 2017 9:39:18 GMT -5
4-12
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 2, 2017 9:42:01 GMT -5
Ok, draft is over. There will obviously be changes over the next few months but as it stands right now, what do you think the 2017 Jets record will be? The Jets home games are in bold: 2017 New York Jets Schedule9/10 Jets @ Bills 9/17 Jets @ Raiders 9/24 Jets vs Dolphins 10/1 Jets vs Jaguars10/8 @ Browns 10/15 Jets vs Patriots10/22 @ Dolphins 10/29 Jets vs Falcons 11/2 Jets vs Bills 8:25 PM11/12 @ Buccaneers 1:00 PM 11/26 Jets vs Panthers 1:00 PM12/3 Jets vs Chiefs 1:00 PM12/10 @ Broncos 4:05 PM 12/17 @ Saints 1:00 PM 12/24 Jets vs Chargers 1:00 PM12/31 Jets @ Patriots 1:00 PM 9/10 Jets @ Bills L 9/17 Jets @ Raiders L 9/24 Jets vs Dolphins W 10/1 Jets vs Jaguars W 10/8 @ Browns W 10/15 Jets vs Patriots L10/22 @ Dolphins L 10/29 Jets vs Falcons L11/2 Jets vs Bills 8:25 PM W11/12 @ Buccaneers 1:00 PM L 11/26 Jets vs Panthers 1:00 PM L 12/3 Jets vs Chiefs 1:00 PM L12/10 @ Broncos 4:05 PM L 12/17 @ Saints 1:00 PM L 12/24 Jets vs Chargers 1:00 PM L 12/31 Jets @ Patriots 1:00 PM L 4-12?
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Post by carlito1171 on May 3, 2017 22:50:12 GMT -5
This is a 3-4 win football team
Hopefully that is good(or bad) enough to land a top 3 pick
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on May 3, 2017 23:09:13 GMT -5
We'll start 3-2 with wins against the Bills, Dolphins, and Browns. People will think Bowles is great again and that we'll push for the playoffs. Then we'll finish 3-13. Hopefully that is bad enough for the first pick.
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Post by Hotman on May 4, 2017 0:41:31 GMT -5
It won't be. 3 wins and we'll be picking 4th or 5th
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 4, 2017 7:24:39 GMT -5
First, it would certainly seem that the 2017 Jets are less equipped to put points on the board than last year's version. Marshall was the focus of D efforts to stop the Jets, and he's gone. Forte is another year older and they have 2 inexperienced QB's each of whom has a decent amount of physical raw ability/talent and 1 experienced QB with essentially no physical ability/talent. IT seems pretty clear that barring a break-out year from Hack or Petty, the O will struggle to score even worse than last year.
Second, the D might be improved despite the lack of experience. It would be shock if Mo does not have a better season. Leo will certainly continue his ascent to being the best D lineman in the NFL. Can the secondary play any worse than it did last season? Probably not. I would imagine Lee and Jenkins will improve while Harris loses another step. The rush OLB continues to be a problem. Lots of bodies, but no one who can consistently pressure the QB. So, the D's success IMO will be almost entirely reliant on 3d down performance. It they figure out how to get to QB's, the D will be improved --- not great, but better than last year. Bottom line, if QB's have time to find a receiver, we're going to be watching lots of long drives.
Who did the Jets beat last season? And how did they beat them?
Week 2 @ Bills 37-31 -- A miracle of a great game by Fits allows the Jets to outscore the Bills.
Week 7 Ravens 24-16 -- After Flacco had gone forever without throwing an interception he threw 2 while playing with a sore shoulder. The Jets returned one to 3 (got a FG) and one to the 23 (got a TD). With 10 pints of turnovers and another TD on a 63 td catch and run of a short curl by Q, the Jets won by 8.
Week 8 @ Cleveland 31-28 -- After trailing 20-7 at halftime, Fits rallied the Jets to score 24 in the second half to beat the 0-8 Browns QB'd by our own Josh McCown.
Week 14 @ Frisco 23-17 (OT) -- With Petty at QB, the Jets trailed 17-3 at halftime. While the Jets rally to tie was admirable, after watching the highlights, it is pretty clear the niners did everything they could to blow the lead by trying to sit on the lead after halftime.
Week 17 Bills 30-10 -- a gift with Cardale Taylor at QB for the a team that had also just fired its HC.
That's 5 wins in 2016. Two against the Bills a division rivals where one was a gift in a meaningless final game of the season. Two against teams that were clearly worse than the Jets, Browns and Niners. One where they got the breaks to beat a better team, the Ravens.
Where are the wins this season. Well, I do not know against whom, but I imagine the Jets will have one game like the Ravens where they get breaks (i.e. 10 points off turnovers and another TD on a long run after a short pass) and beat a better team. So, that's one win.
Since the Jets are the least talented team in the NFL, they will lose to the Browns. They needed a second half comeback to beat them last year and the Browns got better while the Jets got worse. And there really aren't any other bad teams on the schedule. Some people point to the Jags which puzzles me. The Jags are a very talented team with a good HC. I actually expect that they will blow the Jets out.
I'll even give the Jets one possible win against a division opponent. Maybe a home game vs the Bills? Hard to imagine, but division games are always tighter than they should be. Jets were swept by the Fins last season and it is hard to imagine a win against them this season. The Pats will undoubtedly sweep the Jets. Even if they play the back up QB in the final game of the season, the Pats will have the better QB, team, and HC.
The other possibility for a win is that some team on the Jets second half schedule will be in the midst of a disastrous injury riddled season.
So, the choice for me is between 2 or 3 Wins. Ever the optimist, I'll go with 2 Wins.
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Post by joepnyj1 on May 4, 2017 8:03:38 GMT -5
Ok, draft is over. There will obviously be changes over the next few months but as it stands right now, what do you think the 2017 Jets record will be? The Jets home games are in bold: 2017 New York Jets Schedule9/10 Jets @ Bills 9/17 Jets @ Raiders 9/24 Jets vs Dolphins 10/1 Jets vs Jaguars10/8 @ Browns 10/15 Jets vs Patriots10/22 @ Dolphins 10/29 Jets vs Falcons 11/2 Jets vs Bills 8:25 PM11/12 @ Buccaneers 1:00 PM 11/26 Jets vs Panthers 1:00 PM12/3 Jets vs Chiefs 1:00 PM12/10 @ Broncos 4:05 PM 12/17 @ Saints 1:00 PM 12/24 Jets vs Chargers 1:00 PM12/31 Jets @ Patriots 1:00 PM I was just looking through the schedule and all I got to say is the NFL really hates the Jets. That schedule is ridiculous, especially the last 7 games where we have the potential to go 0-7. I think our floor would be 2 wins so I am predicting a 3-13 record.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 4, 2017 8:34:40 GMT -5
To put things in perspective, only three teams have gone 0-16 since Ive been alive - Detroit in 2008, Baltimore in 1982 (0-8-1, strike season), Tampa Bay in 1976 (0-14). Its incredibly hard to not win at least a game or two.
In 2016, 1-15 got the top pick. 2015, 3-13. 2014, 2-14. 2013, 2-14. 2012, 2-14. 2011, 2-14. 2010, 2-14.
So Im seeing a trend. To lock up the number one, pretty much have to win no more than 2 games. Maybe 3, but thats risky.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on May 4, 2017 9:31:38 GMT -5
To put things in perspective, only three teams have gone 0-16 since Ive been alive - Detroit in 2008, Baltimore in 1982 (0-8-1, strike season), Tampa Bay in 1976 (0-14). Its incredibly hard to not win at least a game or two. In 2016, 1-15 got the top pick. 2015, 3-13. 2014, 2-14. 2013, 2-14. 2012, 2-14. 2011, 2-14. 2010, 2-14. So Im seeing a trend. To lock up the number one, pretty much have to win no more than 2 games. Maybe 3, but thats risky. Thanks for doing the leg work. The historical reference point is useful. Barring a miracle for the Jets or disasters for a number of their opponents, two to three wins really seems to be right in this team's wheelhouse.
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Post by willis on May 5, 2017 11:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 14:56:00 GMT -5
Opening lines for each game:
New York Jets Buffalo Bills (-6) New York Jets Oakland Raiders (-8.5) Miami Dolphins (-2) New York Jets Jacksonville Jaguars New York Jets (-1) New York Jets Cleveland Browns (PK) New England Patriots (-9.5) New York Jets New York Jets Miami Dolphins (-8.5) Atlanta Falcons (-7) New York Jets Buffalo Bills (-1.5) New York Jets TNF New York Jets Tampa Bay Buccaneers (-8) Carolina Panthers (-3) New York Jets Kansas City Chiefs (-4.5) New York Jets New York Jets Denver Broncos (-9) New York Jets New Orleans Saints (-6.5) Los Angeles Chargers New York Jets (PK)
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Post by SecretAgentMan on May 5, 2017 17:47:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 18:05:06 GMT -5
"Ball of Confusion."
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