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Post by crossfire on May 2, 2017 10:32:25 GMT -5
It's very obvious that the Jets want to get rid of Richardson. Also obvious is the fact that he has a issues preventing teams from wanting to trade for him. His $8.1M contract is the biggest. That ends after this season. But he also has a few failed drug tests and the high speed police chase with a child in the car won't endear him to any teams either.
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he has talent and you know teams realize that. And this is the NFL where teams have a tendency to look the other way when it comes to bad behavior if the talent is there.
My thought is sort of along the lines of what the Browns did with Osweiler. The Browns took Osweiler and his $16M contract along with a conditional 4th round pick and traded it for a second round pick from Texas. The Browns basically bought a second round pick.
Richardson needs to go. So I wonder what the Jets could get for him if they remove one of the biggest roadblocks preventing a trade by eating all or most of the $8.1M. Yeah it would be a lot of dead money on the books this year but it's not like we're Super Bowl bound. And I like the idea of adding a pick next year.
How enticing would he be for another team then? If we are thinking a 4th or even a 5th for him with the $8.1M, how far do you think we could we move up if we eat they money?
I honestly have no idea but I am curious about it.
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Post by Touchable on May 2, 2017 10:36:35 GMT -5
I'd shop him to every team for a conditional 4th round pick in 2018.
If he plays 90+% of the the defensive snaps wherever he goes or makes the pro-bowl in 2017, then it's a 2nd round pick. If he plays 70+% of the defensive snaps, it's a 3rd rounder. If he plays 60% or less of the defensive snaps or gets suspended again, it's a 4th rounder.
I think a few teams would bite on that.
Maybe a team like the Vikings with the recent news of Sharrif Floyd.
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Post by joepnyj1 on May 2, 2017 10:49:51 GMT -5
So you are saying that paying Sheldon's salary along with getting a conditional 4th or 5th rounder is an acceptable deal?? You guys are nuts. I do not care how much of a cancer or troublemaker he is, teams should have a program in place to prepare for those issues and also play him in a position he is supposed to play in (that's on you Todd Bowles you dummy!). A couple of years ago Sheldon Richardson was on his way to being a perennial pro bowler. If we do not at least get a conditional second rounder and pay part of his salary then I want nothing to do with it.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 2, 2017 10:56:03 GMT -5
So you are saying that paying Sheldon's salary along with getting a conditional 4th or 5th rounder is an acceptable deal?? You guys are nuts. I do not care how much of a cancer or troublemaker he is, teams should have a program in place to prepare for those issues and also play him in a position he is supposed to play in (that's on you Todd Bowles you dummy!). A couple of years ago Sheldon Richardson was on his way to being a perennial pro bowler. If we do not at least get a conditional second rounder and pay part of his salary then I want nothing to do with it.
Trading Sheldon for chump change would be a reactionary move and a bad one. I think what Crossfire is saying is trade him for a 4th or 5th and NOT eat his salary, or could you get a higher pick like a 2nd or even 1st if you ate the 8.1 M. I have no idea but Id be open to getting as high a pick as they can, especially if the cap hit is just this year. |
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Post by Touchable on May 2, 2017 11:08:30 GMT -5
So you are saying that paying Sheldon's salary along with getting a conditional 4th or 5th rounder is an acceptable deal?? You guys are nuts. I do not care how much of a cancer or troublemaker he is, teams should have a program in place to prepare for those issues and also play him in a position he is supposed to play in (that's on you Todd Bowles you dummy!). A couple of years ago Sheldon Richardson was on his way to being a perennial pro bowler. If we do not at least get a conditional second rounder and pay part of his salary then I want nothing to do with it.
Trading Sheldon for chump change would be a reactionary move and a bad one. What are you talking about? We clear up $8 million by trading Richardson. And in all likelihood, we won't get a comp pick for him if we keep him then he walks. The Jets are most likely going to be spending a shitload of money next offseason. We may get jack for him. The guy is a dumbass. He's one failed piss test away from a 10 game suspension and being in Josh Gordon territory. You can't expect much more than a 3rd/4th rounder, regardless of the talent. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 11:30:42 GMT -5
So you are saying that paying Sheldon's salary along with getting a conditional 4th or 5th rounder is an acceptable deal?? You guys are nuts. I do not care how much of a cancer or troublemaker he is, teams should have a program in place to prepare for those issues and also play him in a position he is supposed to play in (that's on you Todd Bowles you dummy!). A couple of years ago Sheldon Richardson was on his way to being a perennial pro bowler. If we do not at least get a conditional second rounder and pay part of his salary then I want nothing to do with it.
Trading Sheldon for chump change would be a reactionary move and a bad one. What are you talking about? We clear up $8 million by trading Richardson. And in all likelihood, we won't get a comp pick for him if we keep him then he walks. The Jets are most likely going to be spending a shitload of money next offseason. We may get jack for him. The guy is a dumbass. He's one failed piss test away from a 10 game suspension and being in Josh Gordon territory. You can't expect much more than a 3rd/4th rounder, regardless of the talent. This is spot on. Gotta love those delusional Jets fans mantra "why trade him, just let him walk as a FA and we'll get a 3rd round pick"? If he leaves as a FA, the Jets will get absolutely nothing for him. Trade him for a 4th or 5th, unload his bloated salary, and move on. |
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Post by joepnyj1 on May 2, 2017 11:42:09 GMT -5
What are you talking about? We clear up $8 million by trading Richardson. And in all likelihood, we won't get a comp pick for him if we keep him then he walks. The Jets are most likely going to be spending a shitload of money next offseason. We may get jack for him. The guy is a dumbass. He's one failed piss test away from a 10 game suspension and being in Josh Gordon territory. You can't expect much more than a 3rd/4th rounder, regardless of the talent. This is spot on. Gotta love those delusional Jets fans mantra "why trade him, just let him walk as a FA and we'll get a 3rd round pick"? If he leaves as a FA, the Jets will get absolutely nothing for him. Trade him for a 4th or 5th, unload his bloated salary, and move on. Hey 3 words....Go....Fuck....Yourself. |
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Post by joepnyj1 on May 2, 2017 11:46:53 GMT -5
So you are saying that paying Sheldon's salary along with getting a conditional 4th or 5th rounder is an acceptable deal?? You guys are nuts. I do not care how much of a cancer or troublemaker he is, teams should have a program in place to prepare for those issues and also play him in a position he is supposed to play in (that's on you Todd Bowles you dummy!). A couple of years ago Sheldon Richardson was on his way to being a perennial pro bowler. If we do not at least get a conditional second rounder and pay part of his salary then I want nothing to do with it.
Trading Sheldon for chump change would be a reactionary move and a bad one. What are you talking about? We clear up $8 million by trading Richardson. And in all likelihood, we won't get a comp pick for him if we keep him then he walks. The Jets are most likely going to be spending a shitload of money next offseason. We may get jack for him. The guy is a dumbass. He's one failed piss test away from a 10 game suspension and being in Josh Gordon territory. You can't expect much more than a 3rd/4th rounder, regardless of the talent. There will not clear the 8 million because teams are looking for the Jets to pay his salary...fuck that. If we can get a 4th that can move up to a 2nd based on his performance and we pay maybe 3 million of his salary then I would be ok with it. Getting a 4th or a 5th and paying his salary is plain stupid. |
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Post by 2foolish on May 2, 2017 12:25:22 GMT -5
It's very obvious that the Jets want to get rid of Richardson. Also obvious is the fact that he has a issues preventing teams from wanting to trade for him. His $8.1M contract is the biggest. That ends after this season. But he also has a few failed drug tests and the high speed police chase with a child in the car won't endear him to any teams either. BUT... he has talent and you know teams realize that. And this is the NFL where teams have a tendency to look the other way when it comes to bad behavior if the talent is there. My thought is sort of along the lines of what the Browns did with Osweiler. The Browns took Osweiler and his $16M contract along with a conditional 4th round pick and traded it for a second round pick from Texas. The Browns basically bought a second round pick. Richardson needs to go. So I wonder what the Jets could get for him if they remove one of the biggest roadblocks preventing a trade by eating all or most of the $8.1M. Yeah it would be a lot of dead money on the books this year but it's not like we're Super Bowl bound. And I like the idea of adding a pick next year. How enticing would he be for another team then? If we are thinking a 4th or even a 5th for him with the $8.1M, how far do you think we could we move up if we eat they money? I honestly have no idea but I am curious about it. actually i like the idea of the Jets saying the more of his salary we pay the better the pick... |
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Post by 2foolish on May 2, 2017 12:31:35 GMT -5
What are you talking about? We clear up $8 million by trading Richardson. And in all likelihood, we won't get a comp pick for him if we keep him then he walks. The Jets are most likely going to be spending a shitload of money next offseason. We may get jack for him. The guy is a dumbass. He's one failed piss test away from a 10 game suspension and being in Josh Gordon territory. You can't expect much more than a 3rd/4th rounder, regardless of the talent. This is spot on. Gotta love those delusional Jets fans mantra "why trade him, just let him walk as a FA and we'll get a 3rd round pick"? If he leaves as a FA, the Jets will get absolutely nothing for him. Trade him for a 4th or 5th, unload his bloated salary, and move on. thats because he restricted right?... or is it that he may not be the in the top 32 free agents next year? |
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Post by crossfire on May 2, 2017 13:00:00 GMT -5
So you are saying that paying Sheldon's salary along with getting a conditional 4th or 5th rounder is an acceptable deal?? You guys are nuts. I do not care how much of a cancer or troublemaker he is, teams should have a program in place to prepare for those issues and also play him in a position he is supposed to play in (that's on you Todd Bowles you dummy!). A couple of years ago Sheldon Richardson was on his way to being a perennial pro bowler. If we do not at least get a conditional second rounder and pay part of his salary then I want nothing to do with it.
Trading Sheldon for chump change would be a reactionary move and a bad one. I think what Crossfire is saying is trade him for a 4th or 5th and NOT eat his salary, or could you get a higher pick like a 2nd or even 1st if you ate the 8.1 M. I have no idea but Id be open to getting as high a pick as they can, especially if the cap hit is just this year. Yeah, I was referring to a deal like brooklynjet said. I am just throwing it out there but I would have no issue eating a good portion of his salary if we could get a high pick out of it next year. If he walks, we probably won't get anything. So if we are only going to get a 4th or 5th pick out of him with his $8M contract, what could we get if we eat his contract this year? Eating the money should make him more desirable to teams and elevate the draft pick we get. But to what extent? I'd be curious to know. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:09:26 GMT -5
This is spot on. Gotta love those delusional Jets fans mantra "why trade him, just let him walk as a FA and we'll get a 3rd round pick"? If he leaves as a FA, the Jets will get absolutely nothing for him. Trade him for a 4th or 5th, unload his bloated salary, and move on. thats because he restricted right?... or is it that he may not be the in the top 32 free agents next year? Are you serious or just busting balls? |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 2, 2017 13:19:22 GMT -5
This is spot on. Gotta love those delusional Jets fans mantra "why trade him, just let him walk as a FA and we'll get a 3rd round pick"? If he leaves as a FA, the Jets will get absolutely nothing for him. Trade him for a 4th or 5th, unload his bloated salary, and move on. thats because he restricted right?... or is it that he may not be the in the top 32 free agents next year? This is the last year of Sheldons contract, and hes an UFA next year. So if you dont trade him by the trade deadline, best you can hope for is a compensatory pick, which is based on who you lost vs who you added, and is a mysterious cluster... but if he signs elsewhere and the Jets sign a bunch of FAs next year, theres a good chance they get nothing. And I believe compensatory picks are awarded a year in arrears (I may be wrong about that last part)? At some point, you have to get something for him. You either keep him, and what you get is him playing out of position on a non-contending team, or you trade him for whatever you can - conditional 4th or 5th hopefully, and maybe eating some or all of the cost gets that to a higher pick? Whats 8 mil if it gets you a second rounder in return, that could be packaged to move up in the 1st next year? |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 2, 2017 13:25:37 GMT -5
The challenge, looking at it from the perspective of the team that would trade FOR him, is they they have to either:
-Franchise tag him
-Give him a long-term contract next season
-Watch him walk for free like we would
That's where Crossfires idea is interesting... the more you eat, the more willing a team might be to give a better pick for what could be a one year rental. And a one year rental who is one screw up from, what, a 10 game suspension?
We should hope some contending team loses a 3-4 DE to injury in camp.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 2, 2017 13:29:29 GMT -5
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