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Post by Paradis on Jun 6, 2017 22:18:11 GMT -5
So.... lets try to ignore the QB position for a minute (if you can...). What's happening? How did we go from bad to worse with all the cap and leash Mike was given...
3 years into his regime. Building blocks:
-Leonard Williams (a gimme pick) -Jamal Adams (allegedly) - - -
wtf?
what am i talking myself into accepting?
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Post by Paradis on Jun 6, 2017 22:26:12 GMT -5
Lets try this again
Building blocks for a team:
-QB...(lulz) -LT... nope. Hoping a injury castaway comes around -C... just ditched the last face of an era -RB... LOL -WR... fuck
-DE... Sure. Leonard is money. gift wrapped to us via draft -Pass Rusher... what the fuck is that? Never seen one -MLB... Lee is balls -Field sergeant in secondary... I'm assuming the other gimme we got in the draft, Adams, will provide said support.
So 3 years into a rebuild and we've got 2 gimme picks at #6 and #5... JESUS.
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Post by RobR on Jun 6, 2017 22:29:54 GMT -5
Where do we start?
All of his free agent acquisitions have been busts with the exception of Carpenter...a guard who was his fall back plan. We're in year three under his regime. We're rebuilding the secondary via the draft after we spent over $100 mil two years ago. We have one of the highest dead caps in the league. Every pick he traded away for a player is no longer on the roster.....again, we're going into year three. Todd Bowles is the coach. He drafts the lowest priority positions early. He drafts the highest priority positions later. Lee, Smith, Hack, etc.
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Post by Touchable on Jun 6, 2017 22:31:34 GMT -5
I don't buy that
Maybe offensively but we certainly have talent on D.
Leo is already arguably one of the Top 5 DL in the league, Wilkerson is a damn good player if he regains his 2015 form, Sheldon is even more talented than Mo when he's not being a fuckhead, Adams is the best safety prospect to come out in nearly a decade, Maye is a legit talent and compliments Adams very well, Claiborne has grown into a legit #1 corner (just needs to stay healthy) and Lee is an athletic freak who showed flashes last year but seems to be a bit of a dumbass off the field.
I think we have a nice nucleus to build around on defense. It's the offense that is seemingly up shits river without a paddle. But then again, that's the way it's been around here for years.
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Post by RobR on Jun 6, 2017 22:32:39 GMT -5
So 3 years into a rebuild and we've got 2 gimme picks at #6 and #5... JESUS. We did get Williams with the 6th pick, not the 5th.....so there's that.
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Post by RobR on Jun 6, 2017 22:42:23 GMT -5
I don't buy that Maybe offensively but we certainly have talent on D. Leo is already arguably one of the Top 5 DL in the league, Wilkerson is a damn good player if he regains his 2015 form, Sheldon is even more talented than Mo when he's not being a fuckhead, Adams is the best safety prospect to come out in nearly a decade, Maye is a legit talent and compliments Adams very well, Claiborne has grown into a legit #1 corner (just needs to stay healthy) and Lee is an athletic freak who showed flashes last year but seems to be a bit of a dumbass off the field. I think we have a nice nucleus to build around on defense. It's the offense that is seemingly up shits river without a paddle. But then again, that's the way it's been around here for years. So your building blocks are three defensive lineman that play the same position, two rookie safeties, an oft injured never lived up to his billing CB, and Darron Lee? That is your argument?
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Post by Touchable on Jun 6, 2017 23:05:42 GMT -5
I don't buy that Maybe offensively but we certainly have talent on D. Leo is already arguably one of the Top 5 DL in the league, Wilkerson is a damn good player if he regains his 2015 form, Sheldon is even more talented than Mo when he's not being a fuckhead, Adams is the best safety prospect to come out in nearly a decade, Maye is a legit talent and compliments Adams very well, Claiborne has grown into a legit #1 corner (just needs to stay healthy) and Lee is an athletic freak who showed flashes last year but seems to be a bit of a dumbass off the field. I think we have a nice nucleus to build around on defense. It's the offense that is seemingly up shits river without a paddle. But then again, that's the way it's been around here for years. So your building blocks are three defensive lineman that play the same position, two rookie safeties, an oft injured never lived up to his billing CB, and Darron Lee? That is your argument? Sheldon should be traded for a conditional 5th rounder as far as I'm concerned...but yeah, 3 all-pro caliber 5-techs (and a promising young NT in Simon), a playmaking safety with immense potential and elite leadership qualities, another talented safety that is interchangeable and complements Adams very well, a legit #1 CB just hitting his prime (who admittedly is very fragile) and a speedy sideline-to-sideline ILB with a ton of potential who has only played the position for 2-3 years. Jenkins also looks like a quality, long term edge-setting OLB who will give you 6-8 sacks a season. I'm not saying they're the '85 Bears but we certainly have talent on that side of the ball. Young talent at that. A team like the Browns just came within a last second FG of going 0-16. IMO, adding a Myles Garrett and David Njoku doesn't suddenly make them intimidating. I personally think people have been overrating the hell out of Hue Jackson as a HC candidate for years. The Bears also look like a complete shitshow all around.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jun 7, 2017 0:56:52 GMT -5
How would you feel if you were a fan of a NFL team that loses a game to the Jets here in 2017?
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Post by chrebet80 on Jun 7, 2017 2:26:39 GMT -5
How would you feel if you were a fan of a NFL team that loses a game to the Jets here in 2017? Do you really think we can win a game this year. I don't see it
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Post by TokyoJetsFan on Jun 7, 2017 2:39:33 GMT -5
There's no way we don't win at least 5 games. Only because we can't even suck right. We will fuck this up somehow.
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Post by Hotman on Jun 7, 2017 2:57:34 GMT -5
There's no way we don't win at least 5 games. Only because we can't even suck right. We will fuck this up somehow. 100%
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Post by chrebet80 on Jun 7, 2017 2:58:47 GMT -5
Break out the fire idzik banner, switch out the names, and get the planes ready. By season end there is no way we aren't cleaning house. I can't see the jets winning a single game next year. No way woody can trust this jackass to pick the qb of the future. Thanks for completing the tank, but your job is done.
Idzik was a joke of a gm, but he left maccagnan with what 75 million dollars in cap space. He's squandered it. maccagnan in 3 years has managed to make this roster even worse. This rosters pathetic, even for the jets standards.
Once hackenburg goes out there and gets fucking destroyed, Throws 6 interceptions in a game, looks worse than geno, overthrowing everyone, the media will destroy maccagnan. No way he survives. This could be the worst team in jets history.
So sad that some people still defend this guy.
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Post by chrebet80 on Jun 7, 2017 3:17:51 GMT -5
2015 Round 1: Leonard Williams, DL Round 2: Devin Smith, WR Round 3: Lorenzo Mauldin, OLb Round 4: Bryce Petty, QB Round 5: Jarvis Harrison G
2016 Round 1: ILB Darron Lee Round 2: QB Christian Hackenberg Round 3: OLB Jordan Jenkins Round 4: CB Juston Burris Round 5: T Brandon Shell Round 7: P Lachlan Edwards Round 7: WR Charone Peake
2017 Round 1: Jamal Adam s Round 2: Marcus maye s Round 3: ardarius Stewart we Round 4: Chad Henson wr Round 5: Jordan Leggett te Round 5: Dylan Donahue olb Round 6: elijah mcguire rb Round 6: Jeremy Clark cb Round 6: Derrick Jones cb
Just as bad as idziks drafts.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jun 7, 2017 4:23:23 GMT -5
2015 Round 1: Leonard Williams, DL Round 2: Devin Smith, WR Round 3: Lorenzo Mauldin, OLb Round 4: Bryce Petty, QB Round 5: Jarvis Harrison G 2016 Round 1: ILB Darron Lee Round 2: QB Christian Hackenberg Round 3: OLB Jordan Jenkins Round 4: CB Juston Burris Round 5: T Brandon Shell Round 7: P Lachlan Edwards Round 7: WR Charone Peake 2017 Round 1: Jamal Adam s Round 2: Marcus maye s Round 3: ardarius Stewart we Round 4: Chad Henson wr Round 5: Jordan Leggett te Round 5: Dylan Donahue olb Round 6: elijah mcguire rb Round 6: Jeremy Clark cb Round 6: Derrick Jones cb Just as bad as idziks drafts. It's also about who he didn't pick. If dalvin Cook ends up being as good as many think and the dumb fuck took another safety after having just drafted one rather than cook than he will go down as the worst Gm in history. He's just as bad as idzik if not worse. The team is horrid. Boring. Dead.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jun 7, 2017 6:45:01 GMT -5
Is this the worst roster in a decade? Maybe. What makes it look so bad is that if you take the 3 most important positions, QB, Edge rusher and LT, the Jets have nothing there. Combine that with an offense that really doesn't have any playmakers that worry defensive coordinators.
The roster is bad but, it needed to be stripped down to nothing to facilitate the rebuild. The problem isnt cutting all the older vets, it's the lack of blue chip younger players on this team. You look at all of those first round defensive players selected and what do you really have? Nevermind the fact that with all those first round defensive picks, they ignored the most important position on defense, edge rusher. It's almost comical how they have ignored that position, not only in the first round, but in the draft in general.
When you continually miss in the top 3 rounds of the draft it kills your roster. It forces you to sign free agents that you really shouldn't have to. All of this should have been done day 1 when Maccagnan took the job. That whole spending spree In year one was a total waste, just delayed the invetible by two years.
So until this team finds a QB and drafts MUCH better, nothing will change.
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