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Post by jett on Jan 5, 2015 19:25:24 GMT -5
It's absolutely time that this franchise does something they haven't done all that successfully in the past, which is developing a quarterback. A lot goes into how successful a qb will be unless they are bona-fide franchise quarterbacks (The Lucks, the Foreheads, and the sparkleponys of the world). These types can change franchises immediately. The rest of the quarterbacks will certainly help their team but will go as far as their team is. Some quarterbacks get drafted into ideal situations while others are thrown in the fire. This may create unwarranted criticism to some. It's hard to argue that maybe Mark Sanchez plays better if say he gets drafted to a 49er team. Look at Wilson. No doubt he is a superb talent and his ability to not turn the ball over is outstanding. But if he gets selected to the Jets does he experience the same success? Most likely no and certainly not as quick.
A strong offensive line is absolutely key if you want to create the best atmosphere for a young quarterback. Having receivers that can get open is also key. I believe with a good line you can turn any half way decent rb into a solid one.
Jameis and Marcus are no prospect franchise quarterbacks. They don't have the same hype like Luck did. Doesn't mean they both can't be the guy, but still. I propose the Aaron Rodgers situation as the ideal way to develop a quarterback. I think these guys need some time to study the game and I believe Mariota will need more work than Jameis. I think bringing in a competent veteran such as Bradford would be absolutely ideal and having him play put the season or until he gets hurt. Let (assuming we draft Jameis) sit and learn the game. Bradford I believe will make us somewhat compete and have a respectable team on the field while our grand plan is to groom jameis or whoever, and create a better team for when he finally steps in. Drafting a line, better players, etc. So that when he does go in, he's not thrown into the wolves like Geno was. There are plenty of quarterbacks that we could bring in not named Bradford to, I just picked him because I think personally he would he the best fit. But a player like Matt Moore or Fitzpatrick (not sure on his contract situation) would be good to. I think we need to really develop this one and sacrifice maybe another mediocre season for the future.
Even with this Jameis or Marcus could still bust, but still worth it. I believe in drafting a quarterback until you find one, and those who don't believe one is in this draft probably don't get it. Do you want to wait another ten years for a Luck prospect to come out? I don't. And even then, who says we are in a position to take one? Normally when those prospects are there the number 1 team ain't moving. I say since we are in a position to take one this year, we do it, and we do it right.
They could suck, but they could also be awesome.
Sign me up
Jameis 2015
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Post by jett on Jan 6, 2015 14:07:42 GMT -5
I guess I should put a tl;dr summary,
Jets don't develop quarterbacks, they should by implementing an Aaron Rodgers strategy by sitting one and letting a veteran play and the young qb sit and learn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 14:58:05 GMT -5
QBs don't get developed, they fall from the sky like manna from heaven. You either strike deals with Satan and get lucky like BB and ride him to Canton or live the life of Job like Rex does, wondering when your savior is coming.
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Post by rexneffect on Jan 6, 2015 15:09:42 GMT -5
So all we need to do is acquire a franchise quarterback and then draft a second franchise quarterback to learn behind the first one. Seems easy enough.
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Post by jett on Jan 7, 2015 2:15:48 GMT -5
So all we need to do is acquire a franchise quarterback and then draft a second franchise quarterback to learn behind the first one. Seems easy enough. Might not work but you must keep trying |
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Post by greenwave on Jan 7, 2015 8:19:14 GMT -5
So all we need to do is acquire a franchise quarterback and then draft a second franchise quarterback to learn behind the first one. Seems easy enough. Might not work but you must keep trying Can anyone who makes the argument of "draft a QB every year until you get one" point to a team that actually did it successfully? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I damn sure can't think of a team that did it. Two of the top-10 QBs in this league (Brady and Romo) were complete late round / UDFA luck, and the rest of them were drafted when their teams either had NO young QB of note or an established veteran who was on his way out. Closest example is Brees / Rivers, but when Rivers was drafted, Brees was in Sanchez territory with the fan base. Why do people think drafting a QB every year is a sound strategy - how do you develop two young guys? |
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Post by jett on Jan 7, 2015 11:57:13 GMT -5
Might not work but you must keep trying Can anyone who makes the argument of "draft a QB every year until you get one" point to a team that actually did it successfully? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I damn sure can't think of a team that did it. Two of the top-10 QBs in this league (SparklePony and Romo) were complete late round / UDFA luck, and the rest of them were drafted when their teams either had NO young QB of note or an established veteran who was on his way out. Closest example is Brees / Rivers, but when Rivers was drafted, Brees was in Sanchez territory with the fan base. Why do people think drafting a QB every year is a sound strategy - how do you develop two young guys? I'm not necessarily saying draft one every year but in this case imagine having a teddy Bridgewater on the team this year for instance. Having geno start then as he struggled we could have brought teddy in. These type of situations. I'm not saying let's blow a top 5 pick every year on a quarterback, no not at all. But this year I think it's necessary and if he doesn't pan out I say take a quarterback in the 4rd round or whatever the following yearr just to have another prospect worth trying out |
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Post by morite on Jan 7, 2015 12:26:27 GMT -5
The other option is, you play the Geno and washed-up veteran cards, ala Seattle with Dilfer, Hasselback, Whitehurst, Jackson, et al, who built their team up until they finally found their Russell Wilson in the 3rd round.
That's a torturous way to do it...which is the lesser of the two evils?
Having a franchise QB drop out of the sky and into our laps is most likely not going to happen any time soon . The last time that opportunity came up, we took Kenny O.
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Post by vicmill on Jan 7, 2015 12:42:35 GMT -5
The other option is, you play the Geno and washed-up veteran cards, ala Seattle with Dilfer, Hasselback, Whitehurst, Jackson, et al, who built their team up until they finally found their Russell Wilson in the 3rd round. That's a torturous way to do it...which is the lesser of the two evils? Having a franchise QB drop out of the sky and into our laps is most likely not going to happen any time soon . The last time that opportunity came up, we took Kenny O. Actually it was Chad. Although he didn't possess the strongest arm in the world, I'm convinced that with the right supproting cast and avoidance of injury, he could have led us to the promised land. He thunk the game as well as any QB I've seen this side of Peyton. |
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Post by freestater on Jan 7, 2015 13:04:07 GMT -5
Want to develop a young QB? Stack the o-line in front of him and give him big, reliable TEs and good RBs. Then, don't pull the rug out from under him and rip all those things away going into his second and third year. Of course, such a strategy would have to involve good drafting, so there's that.
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Post by morite on Jan 7, 2015 13:38:08 GMT -5
The other option is, you play the Geno and washed-up veteran cards, ala Seattle with Dilfer, Hasselback, Whitehurst, Jackson, et al, who built their team up until they finally found their Russell Wilson in the 3rd round. That's a torturous way to do it...which is the lesser of the two evils? Having a franchise QB drop out of the sky and into our laps is most likely not going to happen any time soon . The last time that opportunity came up, we took Kenny O. Actually it was Chad. Although he didn't possess the strongest arm in the world, I'm convinced that with the right supproting cast and avoidance of injury, he could have led us to the promised land. He thunk the game as well as any QB I've seen this side of Peyton. I meant someone who was considered a truly elite quarterback that we either had or should have had. I was happy with the pick when we got Chad, but I was also happy with the Sanchez move. Never considered both to be Marino or Manning-like though... |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jan 7, 2015 16:13:45 GMT -5
Might not work but you must keep trying Can anyone who makes the argument of "draft a QB every year until you get one" point to a team that actually did it successfully? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I damn sure can't think of a team that did it. Two of the top-10 QBs in this league (SparklePony and Romo) were complete late round / UDFA luck, and the rest of them were drafted when their teams either had NO young QB of note or an established veteran who was on his way out. Closest example is Brees / Rivers, but when Rivers was drafted, Brees was in Sanchez territory with the fan base. Why do people think drafting a QB every year is a sound strategy - how do you develop two young guys? That's wxactly Wolfs strategy. The one that got GB Rodgers and the long list of successful backups that GB has had over the years |
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Post by rangerous on Jan 7, 2015 19:59:18 GMT -5
QBs don't get developed, they fall from the sky like manna from heaven. You either strike deals with Satan and get lucky like BB and ride him to Canton or live the life of Job like Rex does, wondering when your savior is coming. true enough about the bellichicken catching lightning in a bottle. but remember that the 2000 patsie team was pretty well stocked and had quite a bit of internal leadership. getting rid of a gadfly like bledsoe was just what that team needed. as for the jets qb, what young qb besides namath has ever come in and taken ny by storm? todd had a rough time that got rougher when he started warring with the talking heads. obrien started out tough after getting in the bar fight with gastineau. pennington sat for a while as did foley. geno comes in and lays an egg. sanchez butt fumbles. the bottom line is until the oline and the rest of the offense is set, a young qb has little chance of succeeding. |
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Post by gangrene on Jan 7, 2015 20:20:36 GMT -5
Might not work but you must keep trying Can anyone who makes the argument of "draft a QB every year until you get one" point to a team that actually did it successfully? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I damn sure can't think of a team that did it. Two of the top-10 QBs in this league (SparklePony and Romo) were complete late round / UDFA luck, and the rest of them were drafted when their teams either had NO young QB of note or an established veteran who was on his way out. Closest example is Brees / Rivers, but when Rivers was drafted, Brees was in Sanchez territory with the fan base. Why do people think drafting a QB every year is a sound strategy - how do you develop two young guys? Drafting sucessive qbs when when one presents even a possibility of franchise status in the draft is the only way to go ... imo. I did not like the Geno pick but I can't argue with the jets going for it. I'm too lazy to go back again and look at comparisons but while Brees did not knock it out of the park in his rookie contract, he was far from Sanchez-like. Brees made the pro bowl in 2004 ( 12-4 season) - Mark Sanchez will never sniff the pro bowl, even in the afterlife. Rivers was drafted in 2004 when Eli Manning refused to sign with San Diego in the draft, the Chargers ended up with an extra pick (Shawn Merriman) plus trading back up for Philip Rivers at four . While Rivers played pine jockey on the San Diego bench, Brees's stats continued to rise dramatically in 2005 until he tore his labrium in the very last game of the regular season. Despite the injury he was selected as pro-bowl alternate for the 2005 pro bowl. In the off season, Smith the San Diego GM, a tough sob and did not want to take a risk on giving a post-injury Brees a long term contract. Brees balked at San Diego's initial incentive-laden offer, he wanted to be paid like a top five franchise qb. New Orlean up their offer but with the Dolphins hovering in the background as an additional suitor, Brees ended up signing with the Saints. |
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