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Post by Lithfan on Jan 6, 2015 7:49:22 GMT -5
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 6, 2015 10:34:00 GMT -5
Supplemental draft an option? If so, he can play baseball, declare later and have slightly more control at controlling where he ends up playing.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 6, 2015 10:41:57 GMT -5
Supplemental draft an option? If so, he can play baseball, declare later and have slightly more control at controlling where he ends up playing. He would be beyond Hot guy I'd like to blowed to even think about this He'd be missing out on millions. Either declare now or come out in 2016. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 6, 2015 10:46:43 GMT -5
Supplemental draft an option? If so, he can play baseball, declare later and have slightly more control at controlling where he ends up playing. He would be beyond Hot guy I'd like to blowed to even think about this He'd be missing out on millions. Either declare now or come out in 2016. Why? Is the pay Rookie pay scale for a first round supplemental pick different than in the Draft? |
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 6, 2015 10:47:00 GMT -5
Supplemental draft an option? If so, he can play baseball, declare later and have slightly more control at controlling where he ends up playing. How would his salary be slotted if he did this -- based on round/pick as if he was chosen in the regular draft? |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 6, 2015 11:03:16 GMT -5
Supplemental draft an option? If so, he can play baseball, declare later and have slightly more control at controlling where he ends up playing. How would his salary be slotted if he did this -- based on round/pick as if he was chosen in the regular draft? Teams who wish to acquire a player submit a "bid" corresponding to a pick in the following year's NFL draft. For example, if a team bids a third-round pick this year and "wins" that player, then that team forfeits their third-round pick in the 2014 NFL draft. For the purpose of breaking ties where two teams submit the same round bid, teams are placed in three groups (six wins or fewer, more than six wins, playoff teams). A lottery is then held to determine the order in each group. As far as salary, I see no reason why the player would not be permitted to get the same type of salary associated with where he is picked i.e. first round, 4th pick in the supplemetal draft would get similar contract as same pick in the Draft. Note, after the Draft the Jets may be the only team with 6 wins or less still looking for a QB. If I was Winston, this is exactly what I would do. IMO, the kid would like nothing better than to succeed in NY. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 6, 2015 11:15:26 GMT -5
How would his salary be slotted if he did this -- based on round/pick as if he was chosen in the regular draft? Teams who wish to acquire a player submit a "bid" corresponding to a pick in the following year's NFL draft. For example, if a team bids a third-round pick this year and "wins" that player, then that team forfeits their third-round pick in the 2014 NFL draft. For the purpose of breaking ties where two teams submit the same round bid, teams are placed in three groups (six wins or fewer, more than six wins, playoff teams). A lottery is then held to determine the order in each group. As far as salary, I see no reason why the player would not be permitted to get the same type of salary associated with where he is picked i.e. first round, 4th pick in the supplemetal draft would get similar contract as same pick in the Draft. Note, after the Draft the Jets may be the only team with 6 wins or less still looking for a QB. If I was Winston, this is exactly what I would do. IMO, the kid would like nothing better than to succeed in NY. I think Bernie Kosar did something like that when he declared. He was a supplemental draft pick. I know that was the time when the USFL was also operating and that may have something to do with it. Ultimately it was a way for Kosar's agent to control where he went. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 6, 2015 11:18:07 GMT -5
He's probably made millions in college already. He probably likes baseball and is not worried about the draft.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 6, 2015 12:08:10 GMT -5
Teams who wish to acquire a player submit a "bid" corresponding to a pick in the following year's NFL draft. For example, if a team bids a third-round pick this year and "wins" that player, then that team forfeits their third-round pick in the 2014 NFL draft. For the purpose of breaking ties where two teams submit the same round bid, teams are placed in three groups (six wins or fewer, more than six wins, playoff teams). A lottery is then held to determine the order in each group. As far as salary, I see no reason why the player would not be permitted to get the same type of salary associated with where he is picked i.e. first round, 4th pick in the supplemetal draft would get similar contract as same pick in the Draft. Note, after the Draft the Jets may be the only team with 6 wins or less still looking for a QB. If I was Winston, this is exactly what I would do. IMO, the kid would like nothing better than to succeed in NY. I think Bernie Kosar did something like that when he declared. He was a supplemental draft pick. I know that was the time when the USFL was also operating and that may have something to do with it. Ultimately it was a way for Kosar's agent to control where he went. The USFL was folding and Buffalo was having a hard time signing Kelly. Kosar and Kelly had the same agent and Buffalo had a higher draft pick than the other teams interested in Kosar (Giants and Vikings). Anyway, the agent "arranged" for Buffalo to trade the rights to it's supplemental pick to Cleveland for what amounted to a bag of beans. Then Kosar missed the deadline to file for the NFL Draft, and went in the supplemental draft with Cleveland landing him. Shortly after the arranged trade, Kelly's agent essentially completed the bargain by having Kelly sign with Buffalo. There was a big to do about it at the time. Giants and Vikings filed a grievance. Rozelle had a hearing and concluded there was no rule to prevent what happened. Afterwards the League tiered the supplemental picks so any team with less than six wins is in a lottery for rights to the #1 supplemental pick. |
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 7, 2015 9:47:58 GMT -5
So much for the rumor -- now ESPN is reporting that Jameis will leave school. I guess we will know for certain within a week. Not sure if this is good or bad for us.
SportsCenter @sportscenter 7m7 minutes ago
THIS JUST IN: Jameis Winston's father tells @davidhaleespn that Jameis intends to declare for NFL Draft.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 7, 2015 10:37:11 GMT -5
So much for the rumor -- now ESPN is reporting that Jameis will leave school. I guess we will know for certain within a week. Not sure if this is good or bad for us. SportsCenter @sportscenter 7m7 minutes ago THIS JUST IN: Jameis Winston's father tells @davidhaleespn that Jameis intends to declare for NFL Draft. It's a good thing, it deepens the QB class this year, more options is always good. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 7, 2015 10:52:28 GMT -5
So much for the rumor -- now ESPN is reporting that Jameis will leave school. I guess we will know for certain within a week. Not sure if this is good or bad for us. SportsCenter @sportscenter 7m7 minutes ago THIS JUST IN: Jameis Winston's father tells @davidhaleespn that Jameis intends to declare for NFL Draft. It's a good thing, it deepens the QB class this year, more options is always good. And with Peat declaring, it increases the odds of a Winston/Cooper/Gregory falling to us. |
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 7, 2015 12:03:54 GMT -5
So much for the rumor -- now ESPN is reporting that Jameis will leave school. I guess we will know for certain within a week. Not sure if this is good or bad for us. SportsCenter @sportscenter 7m7 minutes ago THIS JUST IN: Jameis Winston's father tells @davidhaleespn that Jameis intends to declare for NFL Draft. It's a good thing, it deepens the QB class this year, more options is always good. I agree that more options and more talent at the top of the draft is generally a good thing. But Jameis still scares the shit out of me as a potential pick for the Jets -- huge risk-reward potential. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 7, 2015 12:13:24 GMT -5
It's a good thing, it deepens the QB class this year, more options is always good. I agree that more options and more talent at the top of the draft is generally a good thing. But Jameis still scares the shit out of me as a potential pick for the Jets -- huge risk-reward potential. Sure there is risk, there is risk with any QB that you draft high. Given the state of this franchise I think you have to assume some risk in order to get your long term solution at QB. So you draft Winston and he doesn't work out, what was damage? You passed on a nice WR prospect, not a big deal. What's easier to find right now in this league? A WR who catches 80 balls a year, or a QB that can be a starter for 10 years? Is it really that much more risky than drafting Hundley in the second round, or Petty or Grayson in the third? I would rather take a chance on the kid with the most talent. |
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 7, 2015 12:33:22 GMT -5
I agree that more options and more talent at the top of the draft is generally a good thing. But Jameis still scares the shit out of me as a potential pick for the Jets -- huge risk-reward potential. Sure there is risk, there is risk with any QB that you draft high. Given the state of this franchise I think you have to assume some risk in order to get your long term solution at QB. So you draft Winston and he doesn't work out, what was damage? You passed on a nice WR prospect, not a big deal. What's easier to find right now in this league? A WR who catches 80 balls a year, or a QB that can be a starter for 10 years? Is it really that much more risky than drafting Hundley in the second round, or Petty or Grayson in the third? I would rather take a chance on the kid with the most talent. I do not disagree. If he is there at 6, I want to roll the dice. Same for Mariota. And even if he is gone before our pick, that means another talented player is still available who otherwise would not be. But I would be lying if I said that there was not a part of me that felt a little relieved yesterday when it looked like he might stay another year. |
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