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Post by adpz on Jan 11, 2015 9:48:07 GMT -5
nypost.com/2015/01/11/illegal-deceptive-Homeless Hoodie-plays-enrage-john-harbaugh/ So Pats* lined up with inelligable receivers - the refs (by rule) have to declare which one was not inelligable and the moment that happened SparklePony would snap the ball - before the Ravens had a chance to set their defense. Technically illegal? No This reminds me of the famous Irish horse betting scam from the 70's where hundreds of bets were made on a horse that had been run slow in previous races. The bets were made just minutes before the race while the mastermind of the operation had his associate tie up the single phone line to the track with a call. The odds at the track could never be adjusted by the time the horse ran and the group walked away with millions. One can call such tactics clever, but it's not football and it's behavior that belongs at places like shabby horse tracks in Ireland. Stay classy Pats*! It's the Fagtriots way!! This was the original scam: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Curley
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Post by joepnyj1 on Jan 11, 2015 10:05:44 GMT -5
We all know this...they can only cheat their way so far...any of the remaining teams In the playoffs are better and they won't be able to pull off crap like this.
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Post by cleatmarks on Jan 11, 2015 10:16:45 GMT -5
Yeah, it's only legal if you lay down in the endzone and pretend you're part of the grass....that's okay but reporting to the ref that you're ineligible..that's cheating (lol).
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 11, 2015 10:28:48 GMT -5
Well Bill and team sure are innovative at coming up with new and improved ways to cheat! Harbaugh should have known this by now. Is that what the argument was about when he stepped out onto the field? And of course, HE gets the penalty!!!! I don't see how this particular move is not technically illegal. It sounds and should be totally so!
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 11, 2015 10:29:14 GMT -5
Yeah, it's only legal if you lay down in the endzone and pretend you're part of the grass....that's okay but reporting to the ref that you're ineligible..that's cheating (lol). If it doesn't help you win, it's not cheating
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Post by jetssjumets on Jan 11, 2015 10:33:58 GMT -5
What a surprise, there's gambling in Vegas!
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Post by adpz on Jan 11, 2015 10:45:37 GMT -5
Yeah, it's only legal if you lay down in the endzone and pretend you're part of the grass....that's okay but reporting to the ref that you're ineligible..that's cheating (lol). There's a simple logical proof that I'll pass out to all the pats apologists beforehand: do you think football should bear more or less of a resemblance to horse racing? I think all jets fans were miffed by the lay down move. Everyone here mentioned it as an indictment of a clueless coach. So, very different than how acts of 'dubious legality' are treated in NE.
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Post by BushytheLobster on Jan 11, 2015 10:46:30 GMT -5
Yeah, it's only legal if you lay down in the endzone and pretend you're part of the grass....(lol). Be fair, I don't think there was much pretending involved.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 11, 2015 10:46:45 GMT -5
Yeah, it's only legal if you lay down in the endzone and pretend you're part of the grass....that's okay but reporting to the ref that you're ineligible..that's cheating (lol). There's a simple logical proof that I'll pass out to all the Pats** apologists beforehand: do you think football should bear more or less of a resemblance to horse racing? I think all jets fans were miffed by the lay down move. Everyone here mentioned it as an indictment of a clueless coach. So, very different than how acts of 'dubious legality' are treated in NE. Exactly. Will it even be acknowledged in Boston? (can you fix the link?)
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Post by adpz on Jan 11, 2015 10:59:07 GMT -5
There's a simple logical proof that I'll pass out to all the Pats*** apologists beforehand: do you think football should bear more or less of a resemblance to horse racing? I think all jets fans were miffed by the lay down move. Everyone here mentioned it as an indictment of a clueless coach. So, very different than how acts of 'dubious legality' are treated in NE. Exactly. Will it even be acknowledged in Boston? (can you fix the link?) Ah the downside of text auto-correct! Here's the link shortened: bit.ly/1xZ9nlV
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 11, 2015 11:01:11 GMT -5
No one is surprised by any of this.
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Post by adpz on Jan 11, 2015 11:13:36 GMT -5
No one is surprised by any of this. It's their pattern. Along with trying to quick snap after they substitute and while the other team is trying to sub - as is their right. The rule says you can't snap until the other team subs but Brady and Pats are happy to put that grey area in the hands of the linesman and try to snap it before the team is lined up. And these shenanigans work because the pats spend part of each week practicing them. That's how important it is to their M.O. And more than anything it's a hallmark of their weeny style of play. Reminds me of how Silicon Valley 'guru' got his 'championship' karate belt - will post link if I can find it.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 11, 2015 11:21:47 GMT -5
It's not even a 'play', it's a formation. It's obvious they plan their cheating ahead of time. Whoever the next team is to face them, pleeeeeeze kill them! How can people root for this team?
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Post by cleatmarks on Jan 11, 2015 11:26:46 GMT -5
lol, What else is deception? Was the fake spike, flea flicker, wildcat, half back pass, fake punt, onside kick etc all "dubious"? How about the Jets introduction of the defense not lining up before the snap? Was that meant to deceive?
Come on, if you want to have a real conversation about rules without attacking them because of the teams, let's have one. If you want to just sling mud and talk about "cheating", I'm too old to take the bait.
The NFL just ruled that it was legal. BTW, the NFL also said that the defense was made aware with 6-8 seconds to prepare and the ineligible guy was announced over the loudspeaker as well.
I'm sure most don't even know exactly what happened and think it was a matter of the Pats saying who was eligible at the last second so here it is in its simplistic brilliance.
The Pats put 6 potential eligible receivers on the field at the same time and before the play, declared one of them ineligible to keep with the rules. The refs announced it, the ineligible guy was announced and the rules were satisfied. Then, the Pats flipped who was eligible on the next play, and then again on the next play. This created match up problems for the Ravens because their defense had specific match ups based on who the Patriots lined up. Because the Patriots kept flipping the eligible receiver by declaring it to the refs who then turned around and reported it to the Ravens. The Ravens had bad match ups and sometimes the wrong personnel on the field. Further confusing the Ravens, was the fact that the ineligible receiver was sometimes lined up split and the eligible receiver was lined up at the end of a traditional off balanced line.
The Ravens complaint isn't that they didn't know who was ineligible. They were told by the refs. Their complaint was that they weren't allowed to substitute players based on the eligible receiver. The current rule states that if the offense substitutes, the defense is allowed time to substitute. The rule does not say the defense can substitute because a different player is declared ineligible without the offense substituting players.
Now compare that to the endzone hide and you see the stark difference in the thought process.
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Post by jetfrantik on Jan 11, 2015 11:27:10 GMT -5
adpz, your right!! It is their pattern, their manner, their style. Just shows us thats the way they think. It's not football. It's like to me, running a play every 10 seconds in college football. The Ravens had to take a flag, on purpose, to point this out to the refs. I hope Seattle gets a shot at these clowns.
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