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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 10:03:01 GMT -5
Yeah but thats dipshit white suburban males who think Pod Save America actually is saving America. You got Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan, a ton of independent centrist thinker like Bridget Phetasy, Coleman Hughes, etc. The centrist, right leaning message is getting out there. The people in the rust belt that delivered Trump the presidency dont know who any of the people are outside of maybe Rogan. Our self-saturation of social media creates a bias as to its importance. This is exactly what has caused the DNC problems. We should not fall into the same trap. Its a useful tool but at the end of the day you gotta have the policies these people want. Pretty sure they know Shapiro but I hear you. Very easy to fall into the trap of thinking social media matters as much. Happens to me a lot.
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 9:43:51 GMT -5
Cmon man, your not interested in more hard hitting journalism such as what flavor of ice cream Biden is having. This is the part of the next 4 years that will be most brutal. However, with the rise of pods, and more breakaways from legacy media, there is reason to be cautiously optimistic that people are starting to wake up from MSM awfulness. Will enough happen in the next 4 years to fully counteract their stranglehold on those who wish to be blindly lead by them? Probably not, but the tide is starting to turn, albeit slowly. I hope you are right but if anything I think new media is becoming like old media. The pods are mostly hacks that are beholden to big sponsors. Yeah but thats dipshit white suburban males who think Pod Save America actually is saving America. You got Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan, a ton of independent centrist thinker like Bridget Phetasy, Coleman Hughes, etc. The centrist, right leaning message is getting out there.
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 9:42:31 GMT -5
I think you are both right. Maybe Don Jr.s role needs to be in running campaigns. Take his father's play book and get the rest of the GOP to finally learn how to win. I get it. Get Trump's policies without the tweeting, fighting, bullish behavior. But everyone you listed is a Chamber of Commerce shill. Open borders. Path to citizenship. Out-sourcing. Thats the 2008 and 2012 GOP platform. Those are the issues Trump won on. The issues he has made gains with minorities on. Im also cautiously optimistic that if the media tries this bs for the next 4 years, which they will, and during 2024 election against a decent human being republican candidate, which they will, they will get the backlash thats coming towards them. There shit will not sell against candidates who aren't Trump. Hell it almost didn't this time AGAINST Trump. That tells you a lot. People are waking up.
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 9:35:49 GMT -5
If he doesn't die from naturally causes in the next 4, politically he will through the AOC's, Warrens, Bernies, Tlaib's, Omars etc. They have no desire to play nice and in trying to take Biden left they are legit going to set the entire party on fire. This is why a solid mod like Haley or Crenshaw can come in and get 300 EV's. I dont give a damn about 2008, and 2012, was a different dem party then. Sorry, thats just how it is. They now have taken control of the dissemination of information. The road gets harder. Cmon man, your not interested in more hard hitting journalism such as what flavor of ice cream Biden is having. This is the part of the next 4 years that will be most brutal. However, with the rise of pods, and more breakaways from legacy media, there is reason to be cautiously optimistic that people are starting to wake up from MSM awfulness. Will enough happen in the next 4 years to fully counteract their stranglehold on those who wish to be blindly lead by them? Probably not, but the tide is starting to turn, albeit slowly.
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 9:28:52 GMT -5
I disagree that its just about Trump - I mean, he is an incredible retail campaigner, and the GOP needs to start seeing the value in that going forward. You can't be a 'common man' party without an ability to do the work. Trump won minority voters because of an appeal to keeping our American values as they are. Lots of immigrants and those climbing the social ladder really don't want the game changed. Trump has etched out easy ground for Republicans to claim. A GOP message of American values, American-interests first and individual rights will always compare favorably to the Dem policies of anti-americanism and governmental overreach. Even if Biden wins, the Dem policies have been thoroughly repudiated. Cali make-racism-legal ballot measure is heading for big defeat. And the Dem party with a weak Biden is going to face it's own ugly showdown. They will be the dog that caught the car. If he doesn't die from naturally causes in the next 4, politically he will through the AOC's, Warrens, Bernies, Tlaib's, Omars etc. They have no desire to play nice and in trying to take Biden left they are legit going to set the entire party on fire. This is why a solid mod like Haley or Crenshaw can come in and get 300 EV's. I dont give a damn about 2008, and 2012, was a different dem party then. Sorry, thats just how it is.
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 9:13:42 GMT -5
All good points Trades. Unbelievable how Trump got those minority votes. I agree it may be wishful thinking to think that will just translate to any R candidate, but if they actively try to build on Trumps success, who knows, maybe? As far as 2024, this will come as no surprise to anyone here but I really really would not want Trump or Trump Jr. Haley is my first choice. Crenshaw would be a solid choice, and Tim Scott would be really interesting. The Cruz's, Hawleys, and Cotton's I think would have a problem converting past dem voters. As a dark horse, I would think John James, but probably would be to early for him. Your instincts are bad. We have models to how those candidates would do. 2008 and 2012. Thats assuming 2024 will be the same as 2008 and 2012, which it will not, but go off
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 9:09:42 GMT -5
Personally, looks like Biden is going to prevail. However, this was a loss of a battle in a larger war which I think the right is starting to win. The increased number of minority's who broke towards Trump is the map forward for the future of the GOP. Dems need to do some serious soul searching and come back to the middle if they want to win against candidates who aren't as polarizing as Trump. Picking up in the house and keeping the Senate can not be understated. At the very least the leftist socialist shift that many feared with a dem sweep regarding supreme court and adding of states, as well as socialist health care seems almost impossible now, which is obviously a good thing. I think if Biden wins his policies, if he can enact any assuming a GOP senate, will be enough to flip the house in 2 years. Then it comes down to which way each party moves in 2024. I don't think Biden makes it a year let alone 4 and attempting reelection. I don't see Trump running again though I wouldn't put it passed him. Would the party nominate Kamala or AOC or will the move back towards the center? On the GOP side do they go with Crenshaw, Cruz, Haley, Trump Jr? Hopefully Trump wins, the economy continues to soar, he gets to put in another SCOTUS Justice and the GOP can ride his success to the future. I don't think the GOP won over minorities, Trump did. Everything depends on how the country does and who they run in 2024 to see if they can increase or at least keep that boost from minorities IMO. All good points Trades. Unbelievable how Trump got those minority votes. I agree it may be wishful thinking to think that will just translate to any R candidate, but if they actively try to build on Trumps success, who knows, maybe? As far as 2024, this will come as no surprise to anyone here but I really really would not want Trump or Trump Jr. Haley is my first choice. Crenshaw would be a solid choice, and Tim Scott would be really interesting. The Cruz's, Hawleys, and Cotton's I think would have a problem converting past dem voters. As a dark horse, I would think John James, but probably would be to early for him.
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 8:56:18 GMT -5
Personally, looks like Biden is going to prevail. However, this was a loss of a battle in a larger war which I think the right is starting to win. The increased number of minority's who broke towards Trump is the map forward for the future of the GOP. Dems need to do some serious soul searching and come back to the middle if they want to win against candidates who aren't as polarizing as Trump. Picking up in the house and keeping the Senate can not be understated. At the very least the leftist socialist shift that many feared with a dem sweep regarding supreme court and adding of states, as well as socialist health care seems almost impossible now, which is obviously a good thing.
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 1:36:58 GMT -5
IM out squad, drunk and tired. Cautiously optimistic. C yall tmrw.
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 1:36:17 GMT -5
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 1:02:02 GMT -5
Give me Michigan and James and let me go to bed!!!!
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 1:01:32 GMT -5
Ok. Pretty sure i heard someone say it or I read it. I'm bouncing around lots of sites. Seems like there was some big tweet either legit mistake or deliberate that was inaccurate, and then it snowballed
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 0:45:55 GMT -5
I'm out guys. Talk to you tomorrow. Go Trump! NIght Trades, I want to go to bed but gonna torture myself a little bit longer
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 0:31:00 GMT -5
Fox just retracted their call of Arizona for Biden. My feed must be slow. Havent seen that yet
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Post by ruby2 on Nov 4, 2020 0:18:23 GMT -5
Feeling pretty good about MI when they compare to 2016.
Ernst just got Iowa, at bare minimum, should maintain senate. NOW GIVE ME JOHN JAMES!!!!
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