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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 17:48:10 GMT -5
Forget signing one of these washed up QBs. Draft one in the sixth or seventh round. If petty isn't the guy at the end of the season cut him and draft another. Stop stunting the growth of the kids at the expense of some journeyman QB. Only if you agree to quit your job if Mac gets fired because he followed your advice.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 17:47:30 GMT -5
I can't believe you're all fretting over the fact that we haven't signed McCown, Daniel or the likes just yet...... We're talking about McCown, Daniel, etc.......who the fuck cares whether these guys are signed now, tomorrow, next week or June. maybe it is that simple. Maybe it just doesn't matter. jetstream23 outlines some good points about not having all the facts, and the reality is, he's probably right. But my confidence is fickle with this regime. There's as much to like, as there isn't. The Hackenberg pick was a pretty big black stain, it only takes a couple of wildly incompotent decisions like to start chin scratching.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 14:23:04 GMT -5
Agreed, no rush. But the other end of the spectrum is procrastinating... They've had nearly 3 months to deliberate on a options. Unless the plan is to blindly start Hackenberg no matter what, then I'm wondering why it's taking so long. Any other job on the planet would be under some form of scrutiny for doddling this long. It really makes me thing they plan to hand deliver Hack to the wolves... which either brilliant or the dumbest thing Mac's done, haha If I were the Jets I'd approach someone like McCown as follows, "Hey Josh, we'd really love you here. It's a great opportunity and based on your previous performance we know you'd have a great shot to start and lead this team. Yes, we've got two younger guys who are inexperienced and who we want to develop. Guys like that need to believe they have a chance in an open competition to start. We need to see their fire and how they compete, but let's be real. You're the veteran here. You'll likely come out on top and these guys will learn by looking up to you. What do you say?" Heck, bring Forte and Decker to the meeting. Again, agreed... but do you really need 3 months to figure that conversation out? You just did in 30 minutes. Why meet with Josh in the middle of March. If he was the guy who made sense for the role we both agreed makes sense -- then why didn't that happen 3 weeks ago? I imagine Mike wasn't waist deep in hookers and blow all February. this stuff isn't rocket science. It should be done by now. It's not what's being done, it's how it's being handled. B-league.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 14:17:31 GMT -5
Agreed, no rush. But the other end of the spectrum is procrastinating... They've had nearly 3 months to deliberate on a options. Unless the plan is to blindly start Hackenberg no matter what, then I'm wondering why it's taking so long. Any other job on the planet would be under some form of scrutiny for doddling this long. It really makes me thing they plan to hand deliver Hack to the wolves... which either brilliant or the dumbest thing Mac's done, haha Let's face it, this job is going to be hand delivered on a silver platter for Hack this year. He will have to be epically bad for them to go another direction, and I am 100% fine with that. Completely agree. But my job's not on the line (just my loyalty lol).... If I wanted to keep my job as GM of the Jets, rolling Hack out there with no plan to bandaide the situation properly would be possible career suicide... We ALL recognize that's the RIGHT thing to do. To find out if there's a sliver of hope, or get a top 5 pick... But who the hell would let Mac draft another QB in 2018? I wouldn't. I'd fire him. He's shown me nothing. NOTHING... He drafted Christian Hackenberg with a top 50 pick!! LOL .... Pen State responded by winning the Big 10 championship. I'm thinking in selfish-terms for Mac. He has to know that 1-15 season with Hack means he probably sees the door.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 14:07:55 GMT -5
I agree, and I think that's generally what our direction indicates.. but STILL, their actions reflect too much trepidation and indecision. If you're going to see what you've got in your two wildcards, with the hopes that if neither yield fruit, you're in a position to draft next year -- then they should have executed that plan by now How much time you do you really need (and i mean really need) to decide on McCown/Daniel/whoever?... is it really that complicated? -Cutler forces you to roll him out under center at one point or another. -Daniel is going to garner a small but loud "hey lets try this guy" following. -McCown is unequivocally just a veteran bandaide. You might not even have to start him. -Glennon would have commanded money & commitment It's super fucking simple IMO. I don't know what they're waiting for?The Jets aren't really interested in winning in 2017 so.....they have all the time in the world, Paradis. What's their rush? I don't really see other teams clamoring to sign these guys. The Jets can be patient because they seem to have no enthusiasm in finding a great QB here in 2017. Agreed, no rush. But the other end of the spectrum is procrastinating... They've had nearly 3 months to deliberate on a options. Unless the plan is to blindly start Hackenberg no matter what, then I'm wondering why it's taking so long. Any other job on the planet would be under some form of scrutiny for doddling this long. It really makes me thing they plan to hand deliver Hack to the wolves... which either brilliant or the dumbest thing Mac's done, haha
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 13:59:43 GMT -5
Nice write up. I should like him more than i do, but i'm just not in that frame of mind this year. Feels like trying to figure out why your arm's sore when you bleeding for a gunshot in the stomach.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 12:54:40 GMT -5
I'd have to agree....I'd take Howard at 6 and maybe go RB at our 2nd 3rd rounder instead of Sprinkle. My dream scenario is that Joe Mixon falls that far. It would be a PR nightmare, until he gets 1500 and 12 TDs year 1. Other than that....I like it. I get the Howard love (of course I do)... and i won't be upset at all if we take him. Excited even... he's just not the receiving threat he's being made out to be. Capable and a threat - yes. Dominant, ehhh i dunno. Engram and Everett will catch more balls annually I'd wager. In other news -- We just signed Patton. the fact that we're still signing depth at WR makes me think that Williams is a pipe dream.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 12:50:55 GMT -5
Daniels is shit, but regardless if you believe that or not -- what are we doing? What the hells the plan here? How can your agenda read "maybe Josh?....maaaaaybe Chase?" Jesus. I think there's a plan based on three apparent facts.... 1. The Jets know they don't have a franchise QB and likely feel that between Hack AND Petty they have a 40% chance at grooming one of these guys into a starter/QBOTF in the next 12-24 months. 2. The Jets know there isn't a QBOTF for them in FA. 3. The Jets know there likely isn't a franchise QB in this Draft. So, with very little chance of possessing their QBOTF here in 2017, their approach seems to be to spend as little as possible, get a veteran who won't rock the boat, and see if one of their lottery tickets (Hack or Petty) pays off as they plan to draft a QB in 2018. In fact, I think the Jets would take a slightly less talented veteran QB who is a better locker room guy than a more talented guy who could cause issues about playing time, etc. Just my two cents. I agree, and I think that's generally what our direction indicates.. but STILL, their actions reflect too much trepidation and indecision. If you're going to see what you've got in your two wildcards, with the hopes that if neither yield fruit, you're in a position to draft next year -- then they should have executed that plan by now How much time you do you really need (and i mean really need) to decide on McCown/Daniel/whoever?... is it really that complicated? -Cutler forces you to roll him out under center at one point or another. -Daniel is going to garner a small but loud "hey lets try this guy" following. -McCown is unequivocally just a veteran bandaide. You might not even have to start him. -Glennon would have commanded money & commitment It's super fucking simple IMO. I don't know what they're waiting for?
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 12:40:29 GMT -5
Sounds like we just signed Patton. I think this reflects our intent with #6
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 11:14:09 GMT -5
Daniels is shit, but regardless if you believe that or not -- what are we doing? What the hells the plan here? How can your agenda read "maybe Josh?....maaaaaybe Chase?"
Jesus.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 11:11:17 GMT -5
My old man read The Hobbit to me when I was a kid. I didn't get around to reading LoTR until my early 20's. Love them all. Will probably pick up The Silmarillion one day, but no immediate plans. The Hobbit movies were shit, but the LoTR were brilliant. How did he read a book that big to you? I've been thinking about doing something like this with my kids who are getting a little older, but thought their attention would wander.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 20, 2017 8:06:38 GMT -5
Alright, since literally everyone seems to think it's too early for Jones-- This the adjustment i would make if i was calling shots 1-Williams WR 2-Everett TE 3-Sutton CB 3-Pocic C/G 3-Nicholson S (Mich.St) 4-Jones 6-Ware 7-Calvin Happy you turkeys? Pocic is overrated, I'd rather Moton if he is available at that point. I wanted to slot him in there, but as far as I can tell Moton is somewhere between 4 and 5th best tackle... and i couldn't honestly pretend like the 4th best tackle is still on the board after 70 picks.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 19, 2017 21:37:34 GMT -5
Alright, since literally everyone seems to think it's too early for Jones--
This the adjustment i would make if i was calling shots
1-Williams WR 2-Everett TE 3-Sutton CB 3-Pocic C/G 3-Nicholson S (Mich.St) 4-Jones 6-Ware 7-Calvin
Happy you turkeys?
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Post by Paradis on Mar 19, 2017 21:00:58 GMT -5
Not much left to speculate on. I surmise we'll sign QB J. McCown and then team visits will maybe give us some direction to go off of No one cares and reads the rest of my mocks after Jets pick, so i'm just doing the top half 1) CLE - Garrett 2) SF - S. Thomas 3) CHI - M. Lattimore 4) CAR - (Trade w/ Jax); L. Fournette... per Cam's request 5) TEN - J. Adams 6) NYJ - M. Williams WR... best player on their board at position of need 7) LAC - J. Allen 8) JAX - OJ Howard 9) CIN - R. Foster 10) BUF - M. Trubisky... unexpected value for them 11) NOS - D. Barnett 12) NE (trade w/ CLE for JG) - M. Hooker 13) ARZ - D. Watson 14) TB (Trade w/Phi) D. Cook.... offense will be sick. 15) IND - Q. Wilson 16) BAL - C. Robinson Rest of Jets draft*Jets trade back w/ MIN who covet Kamara, gaining picks #48, #86 and #129, MIN also gets our #150 *Richardson is dealt for conditional 2018 pick to DAL Jets select;1st) M. Williams WR, Clemson 2nd) S. Jones, CB WSH 3rd) C. Sutton, CB Tennessee 3rd) E. Pocic, C/G LSU 3rd) J. Sprinkle, TE Arkansas 4th) A. Jones, RB UTEP 6th) J. Ware OT, Alabama State 7th) J. Calvin OLB/DE Miss State.... (jets spend a bunch of time with @ NFLPA bowl) Thoughts? Let's hear it. WR is almost the last position of need on the team. Right behind long snapper. We have needs all over the roster and while there are no superstar WRs, we have more than enough talent and depth at that position. _ I don't see it that way. I see it as: Broken-ass Decker, Enunwa -- plus who the fuck? If Decker can't stay healthy, we're literally without a candidate to start at X. Ridiculous IMO.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 19, 2017 16:38:38 GMT -5
interesting. We're really hitting the pavement to scout smaller school DBs this go 'round
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