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Post by dvl7 on Apr 1, 2022 16:40:34 GMT -5
So...theory floating around is that Iran could get thrown out (based on treatment of women)...and Italy would be in line to replace them. Sooo. They just started beating them after they qualified? Chess not checkers |
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Post by dvl7 on Apr 1, 2022 20:24:22 GMT -5
No excuses to not get out of this group - even if Wales ends up being the final team Completely agree. I remember back in 2010 Jay DeMerit had Wayne Rooney in his pocket the whole game. I'd give him credit, but that was never particularly challenging to do in world cups |
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Post by Jets Things on Apr 1, 2022 20:30:24 GMT -5
Completely agree. I remember back in 2010 Jay DeMerit had Wayne Rooney in his pocket the whole game. I'd give him credit, but that was never particularly challenging to do in world cups Still, it was Rooney in 2010, world class, and DeMerit had a few seasons at Championship level (and one Premier league season) Watford. |
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Post by 32Green on May 31, 2022 22:03:14 GMT -5
Wlf Raoul
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 1, 2022 1:00:52 GMT -5
Yeah I got nothin...inbreds Even worse this weekend was the Champions League Final which was supposed to be in Moscow and was moved to Paris. Kickoff was delayed for almost 40 minutes because a lot of Liverpool fans were still stuck outside and hadn't gone through security check points...Fans with kids squashed against fences..A lot of dudes jumped over the fences and got in without tickets. You can clearly tell these were locals and not Liverpool fans. A ton of Liverpool fans said they were mugged by local thugs on the way to the game (the stadium is in a shitty area). Yesterday the French gvt said the whole shitshow was because 30 to 40 K Liverpool fans showed up with counterfeit tickets which slowed down the whole process. Must feel like déjà vu all over again for Liverpool fans who were wrongfully accused in the Hillsborough disaster (97 fans died squashed to death). Local authorities accused Liverpool fans of being drunk and got in the stadium without tickets. Decades of litigation later absolved the fans and put the blame squarely on security and police. Liverpool will not go quietly on being accused again of getting in without tickets. Liverpool is going to fight back and undoubtedly show that security and police were not prepared. |
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 1, 2022 1:45:03 GMT -5
Anyone (of the 3 people who read this thread) with 2 hours to kill, 30 for 30 did an amazing piece on the Hillsborough tragedy. An absolute disgrace. Some real gut wrenching interviews from fans and cops (who were just as traumatized and appalled with the cover up). watchdocumentaries.com/hillsborough/ |
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Post by Jets Things on Jun 1, 2022 6:36:33 GMT -5
Anyone (of the 3 people who read this thread) with 2 hours to kill, 30 for 30 did an amazing piece on the Hillsborough tragedy. An absolute disgrace. Some real gut wrenching interviews from fans and cops (who were just as traumatized and appalled with the cover up). watchdocumentaries.com/hillsborough/I've seen that. Tough to watch. Steven Gerrard's cousin was one of the people crushed to death. |
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 8, 2022 6:49:51 GMT -5
Crazy account by Paddy Pimblett (MMA fighter) who was at the game
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Post by 32Green on Jun 8, 2022 23:28:57 GMT -5
Crazy account by Paddy Pimblett (MMA fighter) who was at the game Gotta say, I love Paddy. I think he's a compelling athlete. Disturbed at the behaviour (or lack of) by the Police, but I cant help but thinking it's the actions of men who know they wont be backed up for being pro-active. I see it here in this country. The libs and media have effectively de-balled Law Enforcement, made them second-guess themselves into innaction. We saw it with the latest school shooting. |
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 9, 2022 2:12:08 GMT -5
I agree Paddy seems like a great guy in contrast to the chest thumping/thuggery of the other guys.
For me there are 2 separate issues: crowd management and the gang violence.
The crowd was clearly mismanaged and why we are not coming out saying, "sorry we fucked it up" is beyond me. There are 2 trains that go to the stadium generally splitting the flow like 70/30 except that day the "70" was on strike, so you had an abnormal flow coming from the the other train station (which should have been anticipated because the strike didn't fall out of the sky). From what I read, I understand that instead of guiding this massive flow , apparently the fans took a wrong turn and you had 20-30K fans arriving at a spot with only like 3 guys prefiltering before actually gaining access to the gates in front of the stadium.
So fans waited for hours, and like 30 minutes before kickoff the guys said "fuck it there's no way we're checking everyone" and let them all pass. So you had a huge crowd show up at the gates in one shot. The gates were closed (officials have to explain this) with only one turnstile open. Local dickheads were jumping over fences gaining access to the stadium, cops pepper spraying innocent fans...not a good look.
I think there was a problem with the official tickets too. Our minister said there were 30 to 40 k fake tickets but from what I've read, a lot of people with official tickets they'd received through the teams had problems scanning their ticket. They only got the green light after 3 tries, so that most likely made things more complicated for security.
As for the gang violence I don't know what to say. I understand your point, but noone, and I mean noone left or right, would get upset if cops started cracking thug skulls. On the contrary. Maybe they felt out numbered? Still how was this unnoticed, unchallenged? They attacked people before the game..and after the game it was even worse. Why were no backups called in?
Now you have an entire group of people who payed a lot of money to come see their team, stranded for hours, mugged left and right while cops don't budge, get pepper sprayed by the same cops...then get blamed for it all by the country's gvt. I can't blame them for saying Paris sucks I'm never going back. We should be inviting them back for the Olympics to say sorry instead of blaming them. Total disgrace.
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Post by 32Green on Jun 9, 2022 10:29:26 GMT -5
I agree Paddy seems like a great guy in contrast to the chest thumping/thuggery of the other guys. For me there are 2 separate issues: crowd management and the gang violence. The crowd was clearly mismanaged and why we are not coming out saying, "sorry we fucked it up" is beyond me. There are 2 trains that go to the stadium generally splitting the flow like 70/30 except that day the "70" was on strike, so you had an abnormal flow coming from the the other train station (which should have been anticipated because the strike didn't fall out of the sky). From what I read, I understand that instead of guiding this massive flow , apparently the fans took a wrong turn and you had 20-30K fans arriving at a spot with only like 3 guys prefiltering before actually gaining access to the gates in front of the stadium. So fans waited for hours, and like 30 minutes before kickoff the guys said "fuck it there's no way we're checking everyone" and let them all pass. So you had a huge crowd show up at the gates in one shot. The gates were closed (officials have to explain this) with only one turnstile open. Local dickheads were jumping over fences gaining access to the stadium, cops pepper spraying innocent fans...not a good look. I think there was a problem with the official tickets too. Our minister said there were 30 to 40 k fake tickets but from what I've read, a lot of people with official tickets they'd received through the teams had problems scanning their ticket. They only got the green light after 3 tries, so that most likely made things more complicated for security. As for the gang violence I don't know what to say. I understand your point, but noone, and I mean noone left or right, would get upset if cops started cracking thug skulls. On the contrary. Maybe they felt out numbered? Still how was this unnoticed, unchallenged? They attacked people before the game..and after the game it was even worse. Why were no backups called in? Now you have an entire group of people who payed a lot of money to come see their team, stranded for hours, mugged left and right while cops don't budge, get pepper sprayed by the same cops...then get blamed for it all by the country's gvt. I can't blame them for saying Paris sucks I'm never going back. We should be inviting them back for the Olympics to say sorry instead of blaming them. Total disgrace. Terrible. Btw, who are the gangs comprised of? Does that play a role in Law Enforcement innaction? Are there "protected classes" Law Enforcement is reluctant to engage? Tough, distasteful quesion but... |
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 9, 2022 10:53:52 GMT -5
I agree Paddy seems like a great guy in contrast to the chest thumping/thuggery of the other guys. For me there are 2 separate issues: crowd management and the gang violence. The crowd was clearly mismanaged and why we are not coming out saying, "sorry we fucked it up" is beyond me. There are 2 trains that go to the stadium generally splitting the flow like 70/30 except that day the "70" was on strike, so you had an abnormal flow coming from the the other train station (which should have been anticipated because the strike didn't fall out of the sky). From what I read, I understand that instead of guiding this massive flow , apparently the fans took a wrong turn and you had 20-30K fans arriving at a spot with only like 3 guys prefiltering before actually gaining access to the gates in front of the stadium. So fans waited for hours, and like 30 minutes before kickoff the guys said "fuck it there's no way we're checking everyone" and let them all pass. So you had a huge crowd show up at the gates in one shot. The gates were closed (officials have to explain this) with only one turnstile open. Local dickheads were jumping over fences gaining access to the stadium, cops pepper spraying innocent fans...not a good look. I think there was a problem with the official tickets too. Our minister said there were 30 to 40 k fake tickets but from what I've read, a lot of people with official tickets they'd received through the teams had problems scanning their ticket. They only got the green light after 3 tries, so that most likely made things more complicated for security. As for the gang violence I don't know what to say. I understand your point, but noone, and I mean noone left or right, would get upset if cops started cracking thug skulls. On the contrary. Maybe they felt out numbered? Still how was this unnoticed, unchallenged? They attacked people before the game..and after the game it was even worse. Why were no backups called in? Now you have an entire group of people who payed a lot of money to come see their team, stranded for hours, mugged left and right while cops don't budge, get pepper sprayed by the same cops...then get blamed for it all by the country's gvt. I can't blame them for saying Paris sucks I'm never going back. We should be inviting them back for the Olympics to say sorry instead of blaming them. Total disgrace. Terrible. Btw, who are the gangs comprised of? Does that play a role in Law Enforcement innaction? Are there "protected classes" Law Enforcement is reluctant to engage? Tough, distasteful quesion but... The elephant in the room is that these 'gangs' are comprised of young French males, 2nd generation immigration..who feel "disenfranchised" or that France isn't doing enough to integrate them (rolleyes). 99% of the time, the issue stays in the ghettos and is only a problem for police and poor souls living in those areas. These ghettos are areas where police could never intervene without getting bombarded. Here, they weren't on home turf, so I don't think it played an issue in the police inaction. I'd even venture to say cops would have loved to have a swing at them without having the risk of getting ambushed. It does play a role in the gvt's posture saying the problem is Liverpool fans rather than stigmatizing these youths. They're scared of riots breaking out which happens every couple of years when a police intervention goes wrong or a politician says something dumb...or when they're bored. |
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Post by 32Green on Jun 9, 2022 13:32:30 GMT -5
Terrible. Btw, who are the gangs comprised of? Does that play a role in Law Enforcement innaction? Are there "protected classes" Law Enforcement is reluctant to engage? Tough, distasteful quesion but... The elephant in the room is that these 'gangs' are comprised of young French males, 2nd generation immigration..who feel "disenfranchised" or that France isn't doing enough to integrate them (rolleyes). 99% of the time, the issue stays in the ghettos and is only a problem for police and poor souls living in those areas. These ghettos are areas where police could never intervene without getting bombarded. Here, they weren't on home turf, so I don't think it played an issue in the police inaction. I'd even venture to say cops would have loved to have a swing at them without having the risk of getting ambushed. It does play a role in the gvt's posture saying the problem is Liverpool fans rather than stigmatizing these youths. They're scared of riots breaking out which happens every couple of years when a police intervention goes wrong or a politician says something dumb...or when they're bored. Pretty much what I figured. In NY we have a Mayor who called white cops crackers and thinks white supremacy is NY’s biggest problem while young minority kids shoot eachother in record numbers, crime is through the roof and stores are afraid to open for fear of being looted. Fuck’n politicians are evil. |
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Post by 32Green on Jun 9, 2022 19:21:19 GMT -5
The elephant in the room is that these 'gangs' are comprised of young French males, 2nd generation immigration..who feel "disenfranchised" or that France isn't doing enough to integrate them (rolleyes). 99% of the time, the issue stays in the ghettos and is only a problem for police and poor souls living in those areas. These ghettos are areas where police could never intervene without getting bombarded. Here, they weren't on home turf, so I don't think it played an issue in the police inaction. I'd even venture to say cops would have loved to have a swing at them without having the risk of getting ambushed. It does play a role in the gvt's posture saying the problem is Liverpool fans rather than stigmatizing these youths. They're scared of riots breaking out which happens every couple of years when a police intervention goes wrong or a politician says something dumb...or when they're bored. Pretty much what I figured. In NY we have a Mayor who called white cops crackers and thinks white supremacy is NY’s biggest problem while young minority kids shoot eachother in record numbers, crime is through the roof and stores are afraid to open for fear of being looted. Fuck’n politicians are evil. Anyhoo...and getting away from my political blather (though everything I posted is verifiably correct..cough cough)...If you only knew of Paddy though that vid..and had to guess his occupation...Caddy? College student? Tennis player? His ring persona and style are much more brutal than what that vid shows, lol. |
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Post by shakin on Jun 9, 2022 19:21:42 GMT -5
multiculturalism is our greatest strength
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