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Post by cgjet on Aug 16, 2021 8:01:38 GMT -5
If the taliban is in the presidential palace, we know exactly where to bomb…… I was thinking the same thing. Decapitate their leadership. Slow them down a little. |
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Post by cgjet on Aug 16, 2021 8:09:01 GMT -5
Biden taking two week vacation. His top liar, Jen Psaki out of the office until next week. I like the photos of him sitting in an empty conference room at Camp David looking at a screen of about six so-called advisors briefing him on the situation. May as well be watching a re-run of Hazel or My 3 Sons. He's only been in office for less than 8 months and look at the mess he and his handlers have made of things.  |
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Post by 32Green on Aug 16, 2021 8:12:36 GMT -5
Wasn’t it trump who decided we were going to leave Afghanistan? And before him it was Obama who had a 2014 date set, then it was 2016. Leaving Afghanistan is not the issue. There was never going to be a good exit and the Taliban was always going to take over eventually. The fact that the president we installed and the military we trained and supplied folded in under a week should be the main takeaway here. That and they now have equipment that will last them for a long time. All paid for with American blood and borrowed money from children that dont even exist yet. We need to stop lying to ourselves. These people dont want freedom. They dont want women's rights or LGBTQ month. They've been in a state of feudalism for thousands of years. The only thing they understand or even want to understand is the sword. They simple waited us out. Stop trying to nation build while our own is crumbling. Stop meddling the middle east. Let the Saudis worry about what is around them. They have the money. Dead on. I thought the same with Iraq. You cannot impose democracy on stone-aged people who cant comprehend it...nor have the stomach to defend it. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 8:33:13 GMT -5
It was Obama who decided we would leave the shithole of the earth. Of course he failed to carry through with this campaign promise, like so many other things. Not that I care who fucks who in the ass over there, we never should have put our troops there in the first place. It's Vietnam without the jungle. Corrupt government and a citizenry that could give less than a fuck who their masters are as long as they don't have to sacrifice their lives and fortunes to remain a free nation. So we did that for them hoping that they might catch on that freedom is a good thing but you can't fix stupid and you can't fix an amoral citizenship. When will we ever learn? And now we have that fucktard Biden and his entourage of senile simpletons destroying what's left of this Republic so ti's clearly doubtful that for the remainder of his time in office he will do anything remotely constrictive but with every decision he makes the citizens of the Republic wind up taking it up the ass. We didn't learn from the when the Soviets went in and tried the same thing. Their "government" was also soon toppled by the Taliban. I feel for the people there, especially the women, I really do. Part of I think why it's so easy for the Taliban is because the men in that nation don't really have much to worry about if the Taliban take over (although some obviously do), and they compose the entire military. For them, it's not a big deal. Many people there are "Pasthuns," which is essentially the biggest tribe in Afghanistan, and also the tribe that started the Taliban. Funny enough, although the Pasthuns make up about 50% of the Afghan population, about 2/3s of the Pashtuns live right outside the border in Pakistan, where there is little to no regulation of the border due to the impossible terrain (and perhaps a bit of nonchalance by the Paki gov.). This allows the Taliban (mostly Pashtun) to go back and forth and hide in the mountains, and gives the Taliban supplies either through the Khyber Pass or unmapped routes only known to the locals. This is one of the reasons the Taliban is so hard to fight against. Although most are made of farmers and civilians, they know the land very well, have access to refuge in Pakistan, understand basic war tactics (such as supply routes etc.), and were funded by the US and Pakistan for years which increased their arsenal. There was little chance that military force would ever permanently get rid of the Taliban, rather, other methods should have been applied as well. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 8:44:36 GMT -5
If the taliban is in the presidential palace, we know exactly where to bomb…… I was thinking the same thing. Decapitate their leadership. Slow them down a little. There are a few issues with this. One would be massive civilian casualties. Assuming this is not an issue for you, the next issue is the decentralized nature of the Taliban. They are like Al-Qaeda and Daesh in respect that their leadership is like a Hydra, cut off one head and many grow back. The other issue is that they are in control of almost every province in Afghanistan now. Another major issue is that many Taliban members are still receiving refuge and supplies from the Pakistani side of the border where they can recuperate, recruit, and keep the flow of money/weapons/ etc. I would say their only prayer now is either a re-invasion by external forces and massive amounts of investment or the citizens there must unfortunately arm themselves and fight back. Ugly situation. The Taliban are like AIDS, you can take all the medication you want and sure, there may only be small symptoms of their presence, but once you stop taking your meds, they quickly activate again and try to take over the host. Truly fucking sickening news. |
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Post by cgjet on Aug 16, 2021 9:14:59 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing. Decapitate their leadership. Slow them down a little. There are a few issues with this. One would be massive civilian casualties. Assuming this is not an issue for you, the next issue is the decentralized nature of the Taliban. They are like Al-Qaeda and Daesh in respect that their leadership is like a Hydra, cut off one head and many grow back. The other issue is that they are in control of almost every province in Afghanistan now. Another major issue is that many Taliban members are still receiving refuge and supplies from the Pakistani side of the border where they can recuperate, recruit, and keep the flow of money/weapons/ etc. I would say their only prayer now is either a re-invasion by external forces and massive amounts of investment or the citizens there must unfortunately arm themselves and fight back. Ugly situation. The Taliban are like AIDS, you can take all the medication you want and sure, there may only be small symptoms of their presence, but once you stop taking your meds, they quickly activate again and try to take over the host. Truly fucking sickening news. All good points. I should of clarified my statement a little better in that would be an option on the table if the Taliban attempts to attack Americans on the ground at the airport or attempts to interrupt any other plans in the works to get people out of the country. |
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Post by 32Green on Aug 16, 2021 9:49:41 GMT -5
It was Obama who decided we would leave the shithole of the earth. Of course he failed to carry through with this campaign promise, like so many other things. Not that I care who fucks who in the ass over there, we never should have put our troops there in the first place. It's Vietnam without the jungle. Corrupt government and a citizenry that could give less than a fuck who their masters are as long as they don't have to sacrifice their lives and fortunes to remain a free nation. So we did that for them hoping that they might catch on that freedom is a good thing but you can't fix stupid and you can't fix an amoral citizenship. When will we ever learn? And now we have that fucktard Biden and his entourage of senile simpletons destroying what's left of this Republic so ti's clearly doubtful that for the remainder of his time in office he will do anything remotely constrictive but with every decision he makes the citizens of the Republic wind up taking it up the ass. We didn't learn from the when the Soviets went in and tried the same thing. Their "government" was also soon toppled by the Taliban. I feel for the people there, especially the women, I really do. Part of I think why it's so easy for the Taliban is because the men in that nation don't really have much to worry about if the Taliban take over (although some obviously do), and they compose the entire military. For them, it's not a big deal. Many people there are "Pasthuns," which is essentially the biggest tribe in Afghanistan, and also the tribe that started the Taliban. Funny enough, although the Pasthuns make up about 50% of the Afghan population, about 2/3s of the Pashtuns live right outside the border in Pakistan, where there is little to no regulation of the border due to the impossible terrain (and perhaps a bit of nonchalance by the Paki gov.). This allows the Taliban (mostly Pashtun) to go back and forth and hide in the mountains, and gives the Taliban supplies either through the Khyber Pass or unmapped routes only known to the locals. This is one of the reasons the Taliban is so hard to fight against. Although most are made of farmers and civilians, they know the land very well, have access to refuge in Pakistan, understand basic war tactics (such as supply routes etc.), and were funded by the US and Pakistan for years which increased their arsenal. There was little chance that military force would ever permanently get rid of the Taliban, rather, other methods should have been applied as well. I was thinking the same thing. Decapitate their leadership. Slow them down a little. There are a few issues with this. One would be massive civilian casualties. Assuming this is not an issue for you, the next issue is the decentralized nature of the Taliban. They are like Al-Qaeda and Daesh in respect that their leadership is like a Hydra, cut off one head and many grow back. The other issue is that they are in control of almost every province in Afghanistan now. Another major issue is that many Taliban members are still receiving refuge and supplies from the Pakistani side of the border where they can recuperate, recruit, and keep the flow of money/weapons/ etc. I would say their only prayer now is either a re-invasion by external forces and massive amounts of investment or the citizens there must unfortunately arm themselves and fight back. Ugly situation. The Taliban are like AIDS, you can take all the medication you want and sure, there may only be small symptoms of their presence, but once you stop taking your meds, they quickly activate again and try to take over the host. Truly fucking sickening news. Terrific stuff, which begs the question why are you here with us morons? |
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 16, 2021 10:47:42 GMT -5
When I was in basic training the first thing the drill instructors did when you got issued an M16 for the first time was threaten you with time at Ft Leavenworth if you lost your weapon. I mean to the point where you were paranoid about it. One of the definitions of treason with regards to the military is providing aid and comfort to the enemy www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/treason.htmYet not one of these cheesedick Generals will suffer any consequence for basically giving the Taliban billions of dollars worth of shit. It's disgusting. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 11:04:48 GMT -5
There are a few issues with this. One would be massive civilian casualties. Assuming this is not an issue for you, the next issue is the decentralized nature of the Taliban. They are like Al-Qaeda and Daesh in respect that their leadership is like a Hydra, cut off one head and many grow back. The other issue is that they are in control of almost every province in Afghanistan now. Another major issue is that many Taliban members are still receiving refuge and supplies from the Pakistani side of the border where they can recuperate, recruit, and keep the flow of money/weapons/ etc. I would say their only prayer now is either a re-invasion by external forces and massive amounts of investment or the citizens there must unfortunately arm themselves and fight back. Ugly situation. The Taliban are like AIDS, you can take all the medication you want and sure, there may only be small symptoms of their presence, but once you stop taking your meds, they quickly activate again and try to take over the host. Truly fucking sickening news. All good points. I should of clarified my statement a little better in that would be an option on the table if the Taliban attempts to attack Americans on the ground at the airport or attempts to interrupt any other plans in the works to get people out of the country. Well then, if the issue is getting Americans out safe, I'm not sure how bombing the city would accomplish that  I think you'd kill civilians and Americans there. I don't think there are any easy or good solutions. Sometimes the world just sucks. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 11:14:29 GMT -5
When I was in basic training the first thing the drill instructors did when you got issued an M16 for the first time was threaten you with time at Ft Leavenworth if you lost your weapon. I mean to the point where you were paranoid about it. One of the definitions of treason with regards to the military is providing aid and comfort to the enemy www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/treason.htmYet not one of these cheesedick Generals will suffer any consequence for basically giving the Taliban billions of dollars worth of shit. It's disgusting. Well as we've seen, it's easy to prosecute and blame powerless individuals, and almost impossible to convict powerful members of powerful orgs. How was Hitler using Ford trucks in Nazi Germany? How did the Taliban initially get anti-aircraft weapons? I spent time in a Palestinian refugee camp, where you can find empty tear gas canisters with the writing, "made in Pennsylvania" on the shelling. We all at some level know what's going on, yet spend so much time being angry at individuals trying to survive, rather than the powers who enable and encourage this behavior. If you want to get really mad, you should look at how involved the CIA was in assisting the Taliban in the early days, not just with weapons and money, but propaganda to help them recruit. My heart truly shatters for those now about to live under the Taliban regime. May their reign be short and benign. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 11:16:59 GMT -5
We didn't learn from the when the Soviets went in and tried the same thing. Their "government" was also soon toppled by the Taliban. I feel for the people there, especially the women, I really do. Part of I think why it's so easy for the Taliban is because the men in that nation don't really have much to worry about if the Taliban take over (although some obviously do), and they compose the entire military. For them, it's not a big deal. Many people there are "Pasthuns," which is essentially the biggest tribe in Afghanistan, and also the tribe that started the Taliban. Funny enough, although the Pasthuns make up about 50% of the Afghan population, about 2/3s of the Pashtuns live right outside the border in Pakistan, where there is little to no regulation of the border due to the impossible terrain (and perhaps a bit of nonchalance by the Paki gov.). This allows the Taliban (mostly Pashtun) to go back and forth and hide in the mountains, and gives the Taliban supplies either through the Khyber Pass or unmapped routes only known to the locals. This is one of the reasons the Taliban is so hard to fight against. Although most are made of farmers and civilians, they know the land very well, have access to refuge in Pakistan, understand basic war tactics (such as supply routes etc.), and were funded by the US and Pakistan for years which increased their arsenal. There was little chance that military force would ever permanently get rid of the Taliban, rather, other methods should have been applied as well. There are a few issues with this. One would be massive civilian casualties. Assuming this is not an issue for you, the next issue is the decentralized nature of the Taliban. They are like Al-Qaeda and Daesh in respect that their leadership is like a Hydra, cut off one head and many grow back. The other issue is that they are in control of almost every province in Afghanistan now. Another major issue is that many Taliban members are still receiving refuge and supplies from the Pakistani side of the border where they can recuperate, recruit, and keep the flow of money/weapons/ etc. I would say their only prayer now is either a re-invasion by external forces and massive amounts of investment or the citizens there must unfortunately arm themselves and fight back. Ugly situation. The Taliban are like AIDS, you can take all the medication you want and sure, there may only be small symptoms of their presence, but once you stop taking your meds, they quickly activate again and try to take over the host. Truly fucking sickening news. Terrific stuff, which begs the question why are you here with us morons? for the b00bz forum of course |
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Post by cgjet on Aug 16, 2021 11:41:25 GMT -5
Hindsight is always 20/20 but if the US still held the Bagram Air Base, it is approximately 50 miles from Kabul and would offer another option to bring aircraft in and out of the country. I'm hearing the Karzi airport only has one runway which is slowing down aircraft arriving and departing. As I'm typing this Dan Bongino is on the radio making the same point.
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 12:43:23 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Aug 16, 2021 12:56:22 GMT -5
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 13:10:25 GMT -5
What I've gathered from listening to the Taliban spokesperson (I can't believe that's a real thing. 2021, amiright?) these are his main points.
1. All foreign forces must leave Afghanistan as per the agreement
2. Countries that leave ANY of their forces will become targets for violating the agreement
3. NGO's, foreigners, and other diplomatic persons will NOT be targets, and the new regime will ensure their security as to continue their operations
4. Women will be allowed to go to school and work, so long as they wear the hijab (he doesn't specify if it's just the head scarf or the full niqab/burqa)
5. They want to have good relations with all of the nations of the world
6. They are willing to sign agreements and deals with any country, so long as it benefits the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
So I guess now all we can do is sit back and see how they handle running a nation. They finally have their wish.
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I think you'd kill civilians and Americans there. I don't think there are any easy or good solutions. Sometimes the world just sucks.
