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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 16, 2021 13:37:28 GMT -5
It was Obama who decided we would leave the shithole of the earth. Of course he failed to carry through with this campaign promise, like so many other things. Not that I care who fucks who in the ass over there, we never should have put our troops there in the first place. It's Vietnam without the jungle. Corrupt government and a citizenry that could give less than a fuck who their masters are as long as they don't have to sacrifice their lives and fortunes to remain a free nation. So we did that for them hoping that they might catch on that freedom is a good thing but you can't fix stupid and you can't fix an amoral citizenship. When will we ever learn? And now we have that fucktard Biden and his entourage of senile simpletons destroying what's left of this Republic so ti's clearly doubtful that for the remainder of his time in office he will do anything remotely constrictive but with every decision he makes the citizens of the Republic wind up taking it up the ass. We didn't learn from the when the Soviets went in and tried the same thing. Their "government" was also soon toppled by the Taliban. I feel for the people there, especially the women, I really do. Part of I think why it's so easy for the Taliban is because the men in that nation don't really have much to worry about if the Taliban take over (although some obviously do), and they compose the entire military. For them, it's not a big deal. Many people there are "Pasthuns," which is essentially the biggest tribe in Afghanistan, and also the tribe that started the Taliban. Funny enough, although the Pasthuns make up about 50% of the Afghan population, about 2/3s of the Pashtuns live right outside the border in Pakistan, where there is little to no regulation of the border due to the impossible terrain (and perhaps a bit of nonchalance by the Paki gov.). This allows the Taliban (mostly Pashtun) to go back and forth and hide in the mountains, and gives the Taliban supplies either through the Khyber Pass or unmapped routes only known to the locals. This is one of the reasons the Taliban is so hard to fight against. Although most are made of farmers and civilians, they know the land very well, have access to refuge in Pakistan, understand basic war tactics (such as supply routes etc.), and were funded by the US and Pakistan for years which increased their arsenal. There was little chance that military force would ever permanently get rid of the Taliban, rather, other methods should have been applied as well. What happened to the Soviets shortly after they left Afghanistan? |
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Post by southparkcpa on Aug 16, 2021 13:55:11 GMT -5
What I've gathered from listening to the Taliban spokesperson (I can't believe that's a real thing. 2021, amiright?) these are his main points. 1. All foreign forces must leave Afghanistan as per the agreement 2. Countries that leave ANY of their forces will become targets for violating the agreement 3. NGO's, foreigners, and other diplomatic persons will NOT be targets, and the new regime will ensure their security as to continue their operations 4. Women will be allowed to go to school and work, so long as they wear the hijab (he doesn't specify if it's just the head scarf or the full niqab/burqa) 5. They want to have good relations with all of the nations of the world 6. They are willing to sign agreements and deals with any country, so long as it benefits the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan So I guess now all we can do is sit back and see how they handle running a nation. They finally have their wish. These types of agreements would only be signed by a weak leader. Obama, Biden and unfortunately, maybe even Bush. Imagine ANY foreigner staying in that shithole assuming these words would protect them. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 14:18:49 GMT -5
What I've gathered from listening to the Taliban spokesperson (I can't believe that's a real thing. 2021, amiright?) these are his main points. 1. All foreign forces must leave Afghanistan as per the agreement 2. Countries that leave ANY of their forces will become targets for violating the agreement 3. NGO's, foreigners, and other diplomatic persons will NOT be targets, and the new regime will ensure their security as to continue their operations 4. Women will be allowed to go to school and work, so long as they wear the hijab (he doesn't specify if it's just the head scarf or the full niqab/burqa) 5. They want to have good relations with all of the nations of the world 6. They are willing to sign agreements and deals with any country, so long as it benefits the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan So I guess now all we can do is sit back and see how they handle running a nation. They finally have their wish. These types of agreements would only be signed by a weak leader. Obama, Biden and unfortunately, maybe even Bush. Imagine ANY foreigner staying in that shithole assuming these words would protect them. You realize that the agreement and deal Suhail (Taliban spokeman) is referring to is literally the one that Trump made with them, right? How do you avoid this contradiction (EDIT: I'm assuming you like Trump and don't think he's weak)? I'll be waiting patiently. Just reporting his words. All we have at this point are his words and hopes that it goes well. I hope the Taliban takes care of their people, gives them rights, and the country can progress. Do I think that will happen? It doesn't really matter what I think. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 16, 2021 14:20:19 GMT -5
We didn't learn from the when the Soviets went in and tried the same thing. Their "government" was also soon toppled by the Taliban. I feel for the people there, especially the women, I really do. Part of I think why it's so easy for the Taliban is because the men in that nation don't really have much to worry about if the Taliban take over (although some obviously do), and they compose the entire military. For them, it's not a big deal. Many people there are "Pasthuns," which is essentially the biggest tribe in Afghanistan, and also the tribe that started the Taliban. Funny enough, although the Pasthuns make up about 50% of the Afghan population, about 2/3s of the Pashtuns live right outside the border in Pakistan, where there is little to no regulation of the border due to the impossible terrain (and perhaps a bit of nonchalance by the Paki gov.). This allows the Taliban (mostly Pashtun) to go back and forth and hide in the mountains, and gives the Taliban supplies either through the Khyber Pass or unmapped routes only known to the locals. This is one of the reasons the Taliban is so hard to fight against. Although most are made of farmers and civilians, they know the land very well, have access to refuge in Pakistan, understand basic war tactics (such as supply routes etc.), and were funded by the US and Pakistan for years which increased their arsenal. There was little chance that military force would ever permanently get rid of the Taliban, rather, other methods should have been applied as well. What happened to the Soviets shortly after they left Afghanistan? Is this a rhetorical question? I honestly can't tell. I meant that the government the Soviets tried to install in Afghanistan collapsed just as fast as the one the US tried to install. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Aug 16, 2021 14:41:53 GMT -5
These types of agreements would only be signed by a weak leader. Obama, Biden and unfortunately, maybe even Bush. Imagine ANY foreigner staying in that shithole assuming these words would protect them. You realize that the agreement and deal Suhail (Taliban spokeman) is referring to is literally the one that Trump made with them, right? How do you avoid this contradiction (EDIT: I'm assuming you like Trump and don't think he's weak)? I'll be waiting patiently. Just reporting his words. All we have at this point are his words and hopes that it goes well. I hope the Taliban takes care of their people, gives them rights, and the country can progress. Do I think that will happen? It doesn't really matter what I think. THIS situation hadn't happened yet when that was written . I hear you.. BUT these words will not be honored by the Taliban in the streets now. In an orderly exit, maybe they would have been But in any case, once the US is out, I believe these words won't be honored. |
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Post by vonrotten on Aug 16, 2021 14:47:37 GMT -5
What happened to the Soviets shortly after they left Afghanistan? Is this a rhetorical question? I honestly can't tell. I meant that the government the Soviets tried to install in Afghanistan collapsed just as fast as the one the US tried to install. Afghanistan was the Soviet Union's Vietnam. The way that conflict played out shared many parallels to the US experience in Vietnam. A bad reading of history and overconfidence in their technological superiority sucked them into the same type of quagmire. Same type of non-traditional enemy (VC=Taliban), search and destroy missions, etc. You also see the whole proxy war thing with the US supplying weapons to the Mujahadeen. Only difference here is the Soviets basically drove out in peaceful fashion. It also was a factor in ushering in Glasnost under Gorbachev, and played a big role in ending the Cold War (too much treasure spent on Afghanistan when they needed the money to counter Regan's fake SDI).
The Hindu Kush claims another Empire.
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 16, 2021 15:45:17 GMT -5
What happened to the Soviets shortly after they left Afghanistan? Is this a rhetorical question? I honestly can't tell. I meant that the government the Soviets tried to install in Afghanistan collapsed just as fast as the one the US tried to install. Exactly. And then the Soviet Union fell a few years later. I pray we dont suffer the same fate. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 16, 2021 15:50:02 GMT -5
These types of agreements would only be signed by a weak leader. Obama, Biden and unfortunately, maybe even Bush. Imagine ANY foreigner staying in that shithole assuming these words would protect them. You realize that the agreement and deal Suhail (Taliban spokeman) is referring to is literally the one that Trump made with them, right? How do you avoid this contradiction (EDIT: I'm assuming you like Trump and don't think he's weak)? I'll be waiting patiently. Just reporting his words. All we have at this point are his words and hopes that it goes well. I hope the Taliban takes care of their people, gives them rights, and the country can progress. Do I think that will happen? It doesn't really matter what I think. That depends on your meaning of rights. Im sure if you pledge allegiance to the Taliban you will have some version of "rights". Others will be exterminated. As for women, they are already painting over the pictures of women on the streets. Either way, Im over it. Hopefully we learn from this. No more nation building and spreading democracy. If someone is a threat to us then send a drone or the seal team. Other than that no more wars in shitholes. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 16, 2021 16:10:57 GMT -5
What I've gathered from listening to the Taliban spokesperson (I can't believe that's a real thing. 2021, amiright?) these are his main points. 1. All foreign forces must leave Afghanistan as per the agreement 2. Countries that leave ANY of their forces will become targets for violating the agreement 3. NGO's, foreigners, and other diplomatic persons will NOT be targets, and the new regime will ensure their security as to continue their operations 4. Women will be allowed to go to school and work, so long as they wear the hijab (he doesn't specify if it's just the head scarf or the full niqab/burqa) 5. They want to have good relations with all of the nations of the world 6. They are willing to sign agreements and deals with any country, so long as it benefits the Islamic Emirate of AfghanistanSo I guess now all we can do is sit back and see how they handle running a nation. They finally have their wish. Fucking nationalist bastards!!!! |
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Post by Trades on Aug 16, 2021 16:24:54 GMT -5
These types of agreements would only be signed by a weak leader. Obama, Biden and unfortunately, maybe even Bush. Imagine ANY foreigner staying in that shithole assuming these words would protect them. You realize that the agreement and deal Suhail (Taliban spokeman) is referring to is literally the one that Trump made with them, right? How do you avoid this contradiction (EDIT: I'm assuming you like Trump and don't think he's weak)? I'll be waiting patiently. Just reporting his words. All we have at this point are his words and hopes that it goes well. I hope the Taliban takes care of their people, gives them rights, and the country can progress. Do I think that will happen? It doesn't really matter what I think. but it is Biden's job now and he could have renegotiated the deal or canceled it like Trump did with the Iran deal. It was also Biden's job and that of his subordinates to come up with a good transition plan not to just punt and leave millions of dollars of high powered military equipment behind. I am sure the Chinese are already putting in bids to get some of that so they can reverse engineer it. |
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Post by vonrotten on Aug 16, 2021 16:25:40 GMT -5
What I've gathered from listening to the Taliban spokesperson (I can't believe that's a real thing. 2021, amiright?) these are his main points. 1. All foreign forces must leave Afghanistan as per the agreement 2. Countries that leave ANY of their forces will become targets for violating the agreement 3. NGO's, foreigners, and other diplomatic persons will NOT be targets, and the new regime will ensure their security as to continue their operations 4. Women will be allowed to go to school and work, so long as they wear the hijab (he doesn't specify if it's just the head scarf or the full niqab/burqa) 5. They want to have good relations with all of the nations of the world 6. They are willing to sign agreements and deals with any country, so long as it benefits the Islamic Emirate of AfghanistanSo I guess now all we can do is sit back and see how they handle running a nation. They finally have their wish. Fucking nationalist bastards!!!! MAGA=Make Afghanistan Great Again! |
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Post by cgjet on Aug 16, 2021 17:33:02 GMT -5
After spending 4 hours in Washington, D.C. and stumbling through a teleprompter speech with at least 6 mangled words and taking no questions from reporters, Joe is headed back to Camp David where his handlers can ensure he won't be able to speak to reporters other than controlled statements. My favorite was that he could not say the word caliphate correctly, I think he pronounced it kill-o-phate which may more closely reflect what is going to happen in the coming days, weeks and months. There are reports that the Taliban is going door to door looking for people who aided the US and its allies in Afghanistan. Another report indicates the Taliban is kidnaping families of Afghans who assisted the US informing them to tell the family member who assisted to return or they will be killed.
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Post by cgjet on Aug 16, 2021 17:55:26 GMT -5
These types of agreements would only be signed by a weak leader. Obama, Biden and unfortunately, maybe even Bush. Imagine ANY foreigner staying in that shithole assuming these words would protect them. You realize that the agreement and deal Suhail (Taliban spokeman) is referring to is literally the one that Trump made with them, right? How do you avoid this contradiction (EDIT: I'm assuming you like Trump and don't think he's weak)? I'll be waiting patiently. Just reporting his words. All we have at this point are his words and hopes that it goes well. I hope the Taliban takes care of their people, gives them rights, and the country can progress. Do I think that will happen? It doesn't really matter what I think. I'm only speculating because no one will ever know. However, under Trump I don't think the military would of given up the Bagram Airforce base after seeing the Taliban had already began violating the agreement and would kept the 2500 military personnel in place. More importantly, I would like to believe he would of kept the maintainers to repair Afghan equipment and kept its air force flying. I believe US air assets also would of been kept at Bagram. Any agreement is only as good as the word of the parties involved. I would like to think Trump would not have followed through and have the stink of appeasement on him when the Taliban began taking territory and violating the agreement. In conclusion, I heard a good line prior to the Taliban takeover. People landing at the Kabul airport were advised to set their watches 14 1/4 hours ahead but to turn their calendars back 600 years. It's an ungovernable, brutal country where only 1 in 10 Afghan soldiers could write their name or count to 10. Its nickname the Graveyard of Empires is accurate. The US gave the decent people of the country 20 years of hope but in the end it was not enough. |
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Post by cgjet on Aug 16, 2021 18:46:06 GMT -5
Biden said the $1.3T spent nation building in Afghanistan was a waste, while trying to bankrupt the United States with a multi-Trillion dollar unnecessary binge spending. After 7 months of this administration he just might do it.
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 16, 2021 20:49:49 GMT -5
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