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Post by Ff2 on Aug 31, 2021 10:13:23 GMT -5
I dont pretend for a second I want them. I feel terrible for them but I have come to accept that democracy doesnt work everywhere. It barely works here. And seeing what has happened in Europe over the past 6 years with their migrant programs gives me little confidence the cultures are compatible. But white guilt is very strong so here we are. As Andrew Wilkow often says, "If you bring there, here, then here, becomes there". Nation building and forcing American values is impossible. Most people, even here, aren't willing to pay for their freedom. Most people want to be told what to do, what they can do and follow orders. The founding fathers were a rare breed. Agreed. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 31, 2021 10:17:44 GMT -5
I dont pretend for a second I want them. I feel terrible for them but I have come to accept that democracy doesnt work everywhere. It barely works here. And seeing what has happened in Europe over the past 6 years with their migrant programs gives me little confidence the cultures are compatible. But white guilt is very strong so here we are. Did you want to protect them? Lets be honest, all this has zero to do with them. Or the Taliban. Or $$$ weapons. It's the American psyche that can't handle the fact that we lost. We hate losing and we're on a bad streak. Most Americans couldn't find Afghanistan on a map and have no idea why we went in there to start. It's the simple fact that we got beat by a bunch of towel heads. And we love a scape goat. 20 years it went on but simpletons pin it on Biden because thats easy. We lost over 7,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq over 20 years. Over 30,177 service members and veterans of the post-9/11 wars have committed suicide. And we do very little to help them. We honor our dead for about 2 weeks then move open to the next big story. As a nation we don't care. We really dont. We just wan to "win." We're never gonna learn. Depends on the price. If we are being intellectually honest then allowing Afghans to live in "freedom" from the Taliban would require us to colonize them for hundreds of years. If we were able to take the oil and minerals then I might be open to it. But we know that is something that we couldn't stomach politically. So the answer is no. I disagree with that as a nation we don't learn. I think the general population has learned. The ruling class and the Pentagon havent. Or perhaps, more sinisterly, they just dont case bc those defense stocks go vroom. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 31, 2021 10:19:39 GMT -5
I dont pretend for a second I want them. I feel terrible for them but I have come to accept that democracy doesnt work everywhere. It barely works here. And seeing what has happened in Europe over the past 6 years with their migrant programs gives me little confidence the cultures are compatible. But white guilt is very strong so here we are. Did you want to protect them? Lets be honest, all this has zero to do with them. Or the Taliban. Or $$$ weapons. It's the American psyche that can't handle the fact that we lost. We hate losing and we're on a bad streak. Most Americans couldn't find Afghanistan on a map and have no idea why we went in there to start. It's the simple fact that we got beat by a bunch of towel heads. And we love a scape goat. 20 years it went on but simpletons pin it on Biden because thats easy. We lost over 7,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq over 20 years. Over 30,177 service members and veterans of the post-9/11 wars have committed suicide. And we do very little to help them. We honor our dead for about 2 weeks then move open to the next big story. As a nation we don't care. We really dont. We just wan to "win." We're never gonna learn. We won 2 weeks in and should have left them to sort it out with the threat that if it happens again or they continue to act like animals then we will light them up. Have to stop putting our kids in harms way trying to civilize the uncivilizable. (Wow uncivilizable is actually a word, lol) We also have to fix our intelligence operations. Stop worrying about woke bullshit and protect the country. Little things like when they are alerted that people on Visas overstay their welcome and enroll in flight school but don't want to learn to land should take priority above running honey pots to entrap morons in a 4:1 (FBI:Civilian) "white supremacy" op where the FBI is leading and financing the whole operation. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 31, 2021 10:28:03 GMT -5
Did you want to protect them? Lets be honest, all this has zero to do with them. Or the Taliban. Or $$$ weapons. It's the American psyche that can't handle the fact that we lost. We hate losing and we're on a bad streak. Most Americans couldn't find Afghanistan on a map and have no idea why we went in there to start. It's the simple fact that we got beat by a bunch of towel heads. And we love a scape goat. 20 years it went on but simpletons pin it on Biden because thats easy. We lost over 7,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq over 20 years. Over 30,177 service members and veterans of the post-9/11 wars have committed suicide. And we do very little to help them. We honor our dead for about 2 weeks then move open to the next big story. As a nation we don't care. We really dont. We just wan to "win." We're never gonna learn. Depends on the price. If we are being intellectually honest then allowing Afghans to live in "freedom" from the Taliban would require us to colonize them for hundreds of years. If we were able to take the oil and minerals then I might be open to it. But we know that is something that we couldn't stomach politically. So the answer is no. I disagree with that as a nation we don't learn. I think the general population has learned. The ruling class and the Pentagon havent. Or perhaps, more sinisterly, they just dont case bc those defense stocks go vroom. Yeah I was using "we" to mean them. We better figure out what we can stomach. Obviously nation-building doesn't work. And we wring our hands over drone strikes and selected bombings. We want perfection in a messy world. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 31, 2021 10:37:02 GMT -5
Depends on the price. If we are being intellectually honest then allowing Afghans to live in "freedom" from the Taliban would require us to colonize them for hundreds of years. If we were able to take the oil and minerals then I might be open to it. But we know that is something that we couldn't stomach politically. So the answer is no. I disagree with that as a nation we don't learn. I think the general population has learned. The ruling class and the Pentagon havent. Or perhaps, more sinisterly, they just dont case bc those defense stocks go vroom. Yeah I was using "we" to mean them. We better figure out what we can stomach. Obviously nation-building doesn't work. And we wring our hands over drone strikes and selected bombings. We want perfection in a messy world. Taliban in Afghanistan was harboring Bin Laden and they were definitely supporting other terror organizations. It made sense to wipe them out, especially right after they were tied to 9/11. Staying was the mistake. Somehow we allow atrocities to happen in many other countries with out a thought. Uyghar concentration camps are not as important as Nikes/Disney. People starving at the hands of their governments in Venezuela and Cuba among many others, oh well. We helped topple Gadhafi and they created a huge slave trade, "We came, we saw, he died", tee hee. Lets worry about America instead of policing the world and crush them economically. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 31, 2021 10:43:00 GMT -5
Yeah I was using "we" to mean them. We better figure out what we can stomach. Obviously nation-building doesn't work. And we wring our hands over drone strikes and selected bombings. We want perfection in a messy world. Taliban in Afghanistan was harboring Bin Laden and they were definitely supporting other terror organizations. It made sense to wipe them out, especially right after they were tied to 9/11. Staying was the mistake. Somehow we allow atrocities to happen in many other countries with out a thought. Uyghar concentration camps are not as important as Nikes/Disney. People starving at the hands of their governments in Venezuela and Cuba among many others, oh well. We helped topple Gadhafi and they created a huge slave trade, "We came, we saw, he died", tee hee. Lets worry about America instead of policing the world and crush them economically. Agreed but also to your point on intelligence, we're still going to have to make targeted strikes to those intent on making terrorist attacks on us. We're not going to be able to stop terrorism economically. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 31, 2021 10:46:49 GMT -5
Taliban in Afghanistan was harboring Bin Laden and they were definitely supporting other terror organizations. It made sense to wipe them out, especially right after they were tied to 9/11. Staying was the mistake. Somehow we allow atrocities to happen in many other countries with out a thought. Uyghar concentration camps are not as important as Nikes/Disney. People starving at the hands of their governments in Venezuela and Cuba among many others, oh well. We helped topple Gadhafi and they created a huge slave trade, "We came, we saw, he died", tee hee. Lets worry about America instead of policing the world and crush them economically. Agreed but also to your point on intelligence, we're still going to have to make targeted strikes to those intent on making terrorist attacks on us. We're not going to be able to stop terrorism economically. Absolutely. I am all for it. Drones and cruise missiles are useful. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 31, 2021 10:50:27 GMT -5
Agreed but also to your point on intelligence, we're still going to have to make targeted strikes to those intent on making terrorist attacks on us. We're not going to be able to stop terrorism economically. Absolutely. I am all for it. Drones and cruise missiles are useful. Yes. But more bunkers and less weddings and cars filled with kids. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 31, 2021 10:55:00 GMT -5
Absolutely. I am all for it. Drones and cruise missiles are useful. Yes. But more bunkers and less weddings and cars filled with kids. This is why I say we have to decide what we can stomach. |
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Post by cgjet on Aug 31, 2021 10:58:01 GMT -5
It sounds like there were some tense moments during Biden's meeting with family members of the US Marines, Army and Navy at Dover AFB. Several family members called him out as directly being responsible for their loved one's death. One mother raised her voice and blamed him after what she considered insensitive and uncaring behavior by the President. That mother indicated after rising her voice the President walked away with his hands raised in the air in disgust. Others commented that he made the meeting about his deceased son and multiple people were upset he kept checking his watch, commenting that it was insulting to the memory of their deceased loved ones. One father told him it wasn't about him and his son Bo, he was there to pay his respects as Commander In Chief to their deceased loved ones.
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 31, 2021 11:47:56 GMT -5
Yes. But more bunkers and less weddings and cars filled with kids. This is why I say we have to decide what we can stomach. I can stomach a village. Or them believing we would do it. Because that is the only thing they understand. |
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Post by tkasper01 on Aug 31, 2021 12:21:57 GMT -5
I guess one man's sarcasm is another's disrespect of a POW.  and way too liberal for my taste and he turned his POW status into a shield way too often. Was Trump's comment wrong and off color? IMO yes. That being said, if I was in politics and someone I knew, in my party, was pushing known lies about me on the national stage I might make a biting remark or 2 myself. As a politician I would certainly agree. He sucked, should have gone to jail during the S&L's scandals. He will always be a war hero though. Like it or not. |
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Post by tkasper01 on Aug 31, 2021 12:24:57 GMT -5
Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed. But hey. Biden looked at his watch. This has been debunked. Even by the people who worked for him that hated him. Poor weather and visibility in a foreign country. Secret Service makes the call. Oatmeal brains left hundreds of Americans behind enemy lines and his admin essential gave them a kill list. We have multiple Gold Star families now on record about how rude he is. If this was under Trump they would have book deals and movies by now. I hope the Taliban airs the executions of the Americans left behind. This way the enemy of people have to show it. But hey, at least Biden doesnt tweet mean things. No they wont. . |
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Post by tkasper01 on Aug 31, 2021 12:31:26 GMT -5
I dont pretend for a second I want them. I feel terrible for them but I have come to accept that democracy doesnt work everywhere. It barely works here. And seeing what has happened in Europe over the past 6 years with their migrant programs gives me little confidence the cultures are compatible. But white guilt is very strong so here we are. Did you want to protect them? Lets be honest, all this has zero to do with them. Or the Taliban. Or $$$ weapons. It's the American psyche that can't handle the fact that we lost. We hate losing and we're on a bad streak. Most Americans couldn't find Afghanistan on a map and have no idea why we went in there to start. It's the simple fact that we got beat by a bunch of towel heads. And we love a scape goat. 20 years it went on but simpletons pin it on Biden because thats easy. We lost over 7,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq over 20 years. Over 30,177 service members and veterans of the post-9/11 wars have committed suicide. And we do very little to help them. We honor our dead for about 2 weeks then move open to the next big story. As a nation we don't care. We really dont. We just wan to "win." We're never gonna learn. The Taliban were going to retake Afghanistan no matter what. Trump would not have ben able stopped them while removing staff and equipment either. The only difference is everyone and the equipment would have been removed first, then Bagram bombed into a fucking hole in the ground. What this Admin did is unforgivable. |
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Post by cgjet on Aug 31, 2021 15:52:33 GMT -5
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