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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 2, 2022 11:29:50 GMT -5
I've been against the vax because I got c19 in April 2020 (and believe natural immunity lasts forever), but was finally pushed to "get it or you're fired." My second Moderna jab is set for 1/20. What is the story with mRna? Can anyone point me towards why it's apparently so fucked up? I am not too sure about this. Sopne had C19 back in late 2020. Then was vax'ed this past summer. He is now C19 positive again. He was/is symptomatic both times. I've read the vaccine weakens your immune system. |
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Post by Jets Things on Jan 2, 2022 11:37:36 GMT -5
I've been against the vax because I got c19 in April 2020 (and believe natural immunity lasts forever), but was finally pushed to "get it or you're fired." My second Moderna jab is set for 1/20. What is the story with mRna? Can anyone point me towards why it's apparently so fucked up? I am not too sure about this. Sopne had C19 back in late 2020. Then was vax'ed this past summer. He is now C19 positive again. He was/is symptomatic both times. Yeah, I get it. Depends on the virus. I've had chicken pox and mono once. |
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Post by RobR on Jan 2, 2022 16:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by Jetworks on Jan 2, 2022 21:37:35 GMT -5
So shakin you already got some good responses about some of the stuff you asked, but I will respond to the aspiration thing. Basically, when you inject a muscle, whatever you inject gets absorbed into the blood supply over some time, and the immune system response is more local, less systemic. When you inject via venous, it is instantaneously sent into the blood stream, and therefore elicits a stronger, and systemic, response. The idea behind aspiration of an IM (intramuscular) injection is to see if you are in fact in a small blood vessel (you'll typically get blood return when you draw back). That tells you to find a different site. |
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Post by shakin on Jan 2, 2022 21:47:22 GMT -5
So shakin you already got some good responses about some of the stuff you asked, but I will respond to the aspiration thing. Basically, when you inject a muscle, whatever you inject gets absorbed into the blood supply over some time, and the immune system response is more local, less systemic. When you inject via venous, it is instantaneously sent into the blood stream, and therefore elicits a stronger, and systemic, response. The idea behind aspiration of an IM (intramuscular) injection is to see if you are in fact in a small blood vessel (you'll typically get blood return when you draw back). That tells you to find a different site. how would you expect a jabber to respond if my son mentioned/requested aspiration? do you think they'd accommodate, or roll their eyes at another google medical expert? serious question |
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Post by Jets Things on Jan 2, 2022 22:03:22 GMT -5
So shakin you already got some good responses about some of the stuff you asked, but I will respond to the aspiration thing. Basically, when you inject a muscle, whatever you inject gets absorbed into the blood supply over some time, and the immune system response is more local, less systemic. When you inject via venous, it is instantaneously sent into the blood stream, and therefore elicits a stronger, and systemic, response. The idea behind aspiration of an IM (intramuscular) injection is to see if you are in fact in a small blood vessel (you'll typically get blood return when you draw back). That tells you to find a different site. how would you expect a jabber to respond if my son mentioned/requested aspiration? do you think they'd accommodate, or roll their eyes at another google medical expert? serious question This is my worry. Got the first jab in a hospital office. Getting second one at local pharmacy. Will the pharmacist know what I'm talking about if I ask about aspiration? |
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Post by Jetworks on Jan 2, 2022 22:07:41 GMT -5
So shakin you already got some good responses about some of the stuff you asked, but I will respond to the aspiration thing. Basically, when you inject a muscle, whatever you inject gets absorbed into the blood supply over some time, and the immune system response is more local, less systemic. When you inject via venous, it is instantaneously sent into the blood stream, and therefore elicits a stronger, and systemic, response. The idea behind aspiration of an IM (intramuscular) injection is to see if you are in fact in a small blood vessel (you'll typically get blood return when you draw back). That tells you to find a different site. how would you expect a jabber to respond if my son mentioned/requested aspiration? do you think they'd accommodate, or roll their eyes at another google medical expert? serious question Probably all of that. If it's a Medic/EMT/pharmacist, they may not understand what you mean. If it's a RN, expect an eye roll. how would you expect a jabber to respond if my son mentioned/requested aspiration? do you think they'd accommodate, or roll their eyes at another google medical expert? serious question This is my worry. Got the first jab in a hospital office. Getting second one at local pharmacy. Will the pharmacist know what I'm talking about if I ask about aspiration? Pharmacists are not really medical personnel, and it irks me to no end that nursing unions don't fight this. So they may not know what you are talking about. |
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Post by shakin on Jan 2, 2022 22:13:26 GMT -5
how would you expect a jabber to respond if my son mentioned/requested aspiration? do you think they'd accommodate, or roll their eyes at another google medical expert? serious question Probably all of that. If it's a Medic/EMT/pharmacist, they may not understand what you mean. If it's a RN, expect an eye roll. This is my worry. Got the first jab in a hospital office. Getting second one at local pharmacy. Will the pharmacist know what I'm talking about if I ask about aspiration? Pharmacists are not really medical personnel, and it irks me to no end that nursing unions don't fight this. So they may not know what you are talking about. do you have a preference for who should administer? should he book with his doc or is walking into CVS more or less the same |
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Post by Jets Things on Jan 2, 2022 22:15:27 GMT -5
how would you expect a jabber to respond if my son mentioned/requested aspiration? do you think they'd accommodate, or roll their eyes at another google medical expert? serious question Probably all of that. If it's a Medic/EMT/pharmacist, they may not understand what you mean. If it's a RN, expect an eye roll. This is my worry. Got the first jab in a hospital office. Getting second one at local pharmacy. Will the pharmacist know what I'm talking about if I ask about aspiration? Pharmacists are not really medical personnel, and it irks me to no end that nursing unions don't fight this. So they may not know what you are talking about. How far does the plunger need to be pulled back to aspirate? |
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Post by shakin on Jan 3, 2022 14:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by shakin on Jan 3, 2022 14:40:38 GMT -5
Probably all of that. If it's a Medic/EMT/pharmacist, they may not understand what you mean. If it's a RN, expect an eye roll. Pharmacists are not really medical personnel, and it irks me to no end that nursing unions don't fight this. So they may not know what you are talking about. How far does the plunger need to be pulled back to aspirate? this could easily have been a post on here 5 years ago. in a vastly different context |
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Post by adpz on Jan 3, 2022 16:08:32 GMT -5
Probably all of that. If it's a Medic/EMT/pharmacist, they may not understand what you mean. If it's a RN, expect an eye roll. Pharmacists are not really medical personnel, and it irks me to no end that nursing unions don't fight this. So they may not know what you are talking about. How far does the plunger need to be pulled back to aspirate? From what I understand, it’s not much, just a little. The idea is create negative pressure so you get back flow into the syringe. If there’s blood, you’ve hit part of the circulatory system and should find another spot. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 3, 2022 23:53:57 GMT -5
WTF!?!?
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Post by shakin on Jan 4, 2022 14:51:42 GMT -5
my wife just took my son to get his jab. i told her make sure it is j&j
he gets there, and the nurse (or whoever was going to administer) say "are you sure you want J&J? aren't you concerned about the clots?
he says i gotta talk to my mom, she says we gotta go talk to your dad and they come home without it
i'm going fucking nuts inside. are they incentivized to push pfizer/moderna/mrna over the j&j? what the actual fuck
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Post by Trades on Jan 4, 2022 15:19:08 GMT -5
my wife just took my son to get his jab. i told her make sure it is j&j he gets there, and the nurse (or whoever was going to administer) say "are you sure you want J&J? aren't you concerned about the clots? he says i gotta talk to my mom, she says we gotta go talk to your dad and they come home without it i'm going fucking nuts inside. are they incentivized to push pfizer/moderna/mrna over the j&j? what the actual fuck It is insane. All of them have side effects. I went JnJ when I was forced to get a vax because it was 1 shot and I know they all are horribly flawed. At least the JnJ is built on standard Vax tech though it is having its own issues. |
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