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Post by frostlich on May 25, 2022 8:41:22 GMT -5
News said that all of the victims were in 1 classroom. I cant imagine the horror those poor kids must have felt. Absolutely disgusting. Beyond words. |
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 25, 2022 9:06:03 GMT -5
One where if you went hunting with it everyone would say "wtf Dave?". How is that a definition? That is the problem. People want to ban scary looking guns rather than anything with any realistic characteristics. You can put 2 guns side by side, one is black and sleek and scary looking one looks like the gun Elmer Fudd carried but they are exactly the same gun under the window dressing. There is also the point that the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with keeping government in check. As they say the founding fathers didn't write the Bill of Rights after coming home from a hunting trip. They did it after coming back from liberating us from a tyrannical government. It was a joke, but I'm sure you understood the gist of it. Regulators have conquered more difficult subjects than defining what would be considered an assault weapon or not. The problem,as you stated after, isn't the definition, it's that you're categorically against any regulation. You see it as an attack on your rights. |
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 25, 2022 9:07:27 GMT -5
News said that all of the victims were in 1 classroom. I cant imagine the horror those poor kids must have felt. Absolutely disgusting. ..and all the surviving children. PTSD for life. |
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on May 25, 2022 9:18:05 GMT -5
News said that all of the victims were in 1 classroom. I cant imagine the horror those poor kids must have felt. Absolutely disgusting. ..and all the surviving children. PTSD for life. I wonder if any of the children in that classroom Survived. Nothing coming out yet in the news. But yes, if any did survive in that one classroom, i cant even imagine how they are feeling. Probably numb with fear, id assume. |
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Post by 2foolish on May 25, 2022 9:18:28 GMT -5
Steve Kerr's speach has been buzzing and was surprised when he said 90% of Americans are for stricter gun control. I found this site with some interesting stats, and it appears the number is more 53% (81% Dem/21% Rep). www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/I admit as a foreigner I'm not pro-gun to the point where I think everyday people should be able to buy assault weapons, even if you're not mentally unstable. You should be able to protect yourself and hunt, end of story. JMO First problem: What is an assault weapon? an invention of the left... |
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Post by Trades on May 25, 2022 9:36:56 GMT -5
How is that a definition? That is the problem. People want to ban scary looking guns rather than anything with any realistic characteristics. You can put 2 guns side by side, one is black and sleek and scary looking one looks like the gun Elmer Fudd carried but they are exactly the same gun under the window dressing. There is also the point that the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with keeping government in check. As they say the founding fathers didn't write the Bill of Rights after coming home from a hunting trip. They did it after coming back from liberating us from a tyrannical government. It was a joke, but I'm sure you understood the gist of it. Regulators have conquered more difficult subjects than defining what would be considered an assault weapon or not. The problem,as you stated after, isn't the definition, it's that you're categorically against any regulation. You see it as an attack on your rights. Just like all regulation it is a slippery slope, has unintended consequences and if it is poorly defined it can be used by people for purposes other than intended. Knee jerk, feel good reactions can have devastating consequences. Facts over Feelings... Take the 1st amendment (Freedom of Speech) Many feel that "hate speech" should not be included in free speech. Just like the 2nd amendment definitions are critical. What is hate speech and who gets to define it? A lot of people feel that it is fine when their team is in power but then when they realize that "others" could get to set their definitions in the future they start backing off. We have also seen where hate speech laws have led in other countries like old women getting charged or jailed because of a harsh Facebook post. I am not ok with that in the US. Similarly, many of the statistics point to hundreds of "mass shootings" in the US to make a point but the vast majority are done by gangs with illegal guns. Criminals are notorious for not following laws and all laws will do it remove the millions of guns that are owned legally and safely by the VAST majority of Americans. The CDC estimated that over 1 million cases of self defense using a gun occur in America every year. Is removing that ability to defend yourself ok? There is also the fact that evil will always find a way. Knives, cars, bombs, etc. What law would have stopped this? The gunman was stopped by a single Border Patrol agent who had been working nearby. SOURCE ABC NewsSupporting Data/Research (stolen from LouderWithCrowder.com): In 2021, there were an estimated 1.67M uses of firearms in defense situations. SOURCE: SSRN94% of mass shootings take place in ‘Gun Free’ zones. SOURCE: CrimeResearchTexas law generally prohibits possessing a firearm on school grounds. SOURCES: TASB GiffordsTexas already requires background checks. SOURCE: USATodayCustomers at licensed gun dealers in the state of Texas are required to pass an FBI background check. The shooter bought his weapon from such a dealer. SOURCE: HoustonChronicle |
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Post by Trades on May 25, 2022 9:37:51 GMT -5
News said that all of the victims were in 1 classroom. I cant imagine the horror those poor kids must have felt. Absolutely disgusting. ..and all the surviving children. PTSD for life. I read of one child that saw his friend get shot in the face. Horrific |
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 25, 2022 10:03:00 GMT -5
It was a joke, but I'm sure you understood the gist of it. Regulators have conquered more difficult subjects than defining what would be considered an assault weapon or not. The problem,as you stated after, isn't the definition, it's that you're categorically against any regulation. You see it as an attack on your rights. Just like all regulation it is a slippery slope, has unintended consequences and if it is poorly defined it can be used by people for purposes other than intended. Knee jerk, feel good reactions can have devastating consequences. Facts over Feelings... Do you honestly feel like regulation could have more devastating effects than what just happened? I agree with everything else you've posted so far. I just don't agree that you're not adding this to the problem. |
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Post by shakin on May 25, 2022 10:16:40 GMT -5
don't discount the fact that a very sick/evil (and purposeful) segment of our population has been increasingly glorifying and demanding acceptance (even worship) of all kind of mentally unstable weirdos over the past few years. they are all wonderful heros -- until they grab a gun
take fathers out of the home, take god out of the schools, demonize masculinity and personal responsibility, hypocritically glorify gun violence in video games and movies what the fuck kind of aimless hopeless sick young men do you think you will end up with?
you want a sick world? you got a sick world. all by design so you can ram your sick agenda down our throats
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Post by Trades on May 25, 2022 10:19:24 GMT -5
Just like all regulation it is a slippery slope, has unintended consequences and if it is poorly defined it can be used by people for purposes other than intended. Knee jerk, feel good reactions can have devastating consequences. Facts over Feelings... Do you honestly feel like regulation could have more devastating effects than what just happened? I agree with everything else you've posted so far. I just don't agree that you're not adding this to the problem. In 2021, there were an estimated 1,670,000 uses of firearms in defense situations. SOURCE: SSRNBy contrast, CDC data from 2020 showed only 19,384 gun homicides. So yes I do. Nothing proposed would have stopped this event. We should just make murder illegal. Can you believe that the killer walked past the Gun Free School Zone signs, he must not have seen them. Not to mention that Handguns are used in crimes more than rifles but rifles are scarier looking. |
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Post by shakin on May 25, 2022 10:29:58 GMT -5
$40 billion to a fake war in Ukraine, nothing to harden soft targets like schools and malls here at home in America
They don't want to solve the problem. They want to use the problem.
Sick, evil fucks, actively working every minute of every day against YOU.
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Post by Jets Things on May 25, 2022 10:31:03 GMT -5
don't discount the fact that a very sick/evil (and purposeful) segment of our population has been increasingly glorifying and demanding acceptance (even worship) of all kind of mentally unstable weirdos over the past few years. they are all wonderful heros -- until they grab a gun take fathers out of the home, take god out of the schools, demonize masculinity and personal responsibility, hypocritically glorify gun violence in video games and movies what the fuck kind of aimless hopeless sick young men do you think you will end up with? you want a sick world? you got a sick world. all by design so you can ram your sick agenda down our throats Gotta vehemently disagree with you here. I think that yesterday's massacre is further proof that their is no God and if there is, fuck him for allowing this to happen. Again. |
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Post by Trades on May 25, 2022 11:09:53 GMT -5
don't discount the fact that a very sick/evil (and purposeful) segment of our population has been increasingly glorifying and demanding acceptance (even worship) of all kind of mentally unstable weirdos over the past few years. they are all wonderful heros -- until they grab a gun take fathers out of the home, take god out of the schools, demonize masculinity and personal responsibility, hypocritically glorify gun violence in video games and movies what the fuck kind of aimless hopeless sick young men do you think you will end up with? you want a sick world? you got a sick world. all by design so you can ram your sick agenda down our throats Gotta vehemently disagree with you here. I think that yesterday's massacre is further proof that their is no God and if there is, fuck him for allowing this to happen. Again. As an atheist I see your point and there are other points against the church as well but I do think the church has a place in society for building community, fellowship, purpose, and understanding right from wrong. The government in recent years has been doing everything to divide us and destroy any sense of community or national pride as though those feelings are horrible while promoting a hatred of America as a vile country with a uniquely horrific past. Most kids these days have no understanding of history and things like the 1619 project just work to further vilify and divide. Schools preach a lot of leftism, defend communism and can't define what a woman is. Parents are mostly absent, abdicating raising their kids to the school. Where do kids, especially you men learn their values now considering straight white men are considered the worst thing in the world now. |
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Post by shakin on May 25, 2022 11:19:27 GMT -5
don't discount the fact that a very sick/evil (and purposeful) segment of our population has been increasingly glorifying and demanding acceptance (even worship) of all kind of mentally unstable weirdos over the past few years. they are all wonderful heros -- until they grab a gun take fathers out of the home, take god out of the schools, demonize masculinity and personal responsibility, hypocritically glorify gun violence in video games and movies what the fuck kind of aimless hopeless sick young men do you think you will end up with? you want a sick world? you got a sick world. all by design so you can ram your sick agenda down our throats Gotta vehemently disagree with you here. I think that yesterday's massacre is further proof that their is no God and if there is, fuck him for allowing this to happen. Again. fair point. i am not a bible thumper. so in my example let's just replace 'god' with some kind of baseline for being a good and moral person. they glorify vice and freakery, and mock the things that would give kids a conscience/boundaries. so i guess it's not so much taking god out of the schools, it's the fucking dreck they've actively filled the void with |
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Post by Big L on May 25, 2022 11:52:16 GMT -5
Each senator should have homework due in a week. Come up with a plan to not get schools shot up. Then debate each senators plan and come up with a consensus plan and legislate it.
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