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Post by Jet Blast on Dec 3, 2014 9:08:21 GMT -5
My big fear right now is that the Giants decide to completely clean house, they get the top GM candidate and we get to pick from the leftovers. Truth. I have thought about that too. It will be Rodgers-Cromartie all over again. Sadface, I wouldn't worry about the fact that if Idzik is fired after only 2 years, candidates will be reluctant to come to the Jets. A 3 year contract should wash away those fears. As far as the Jets not being a desirable team, Woody will need to up the ante. If he throws more money at them, they will come. Of course, it's easy for ME to spend HIS money.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 3, 2014 9:08:32 GMT -5
Thought the same thing about Rob Ryan as DC. Would be great if we could just demote Rex to DC but that will never happen unfortunately.
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Post by The Turk on Dec 3, 2014 9:18:52 GMT -5
Thought the same thing about Rob Ryan as DC. Would be great if we could just demote Rex to DC but that will never happen unfortunately. Agreed. That would be just asking for trouble. Lİke keeping your fired GM on staff.....wait a minute.....
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Post by freestater on Dec 3, 2014 9:49:16 GMT -5
First and foremost TERRY BRADWAY has to go! How he is still employed by the Jets is beyond me. Idzik has to go as well. In fact they need to clean house. And I think the fact that he will be fired after two years is irrelevant to the Jets being attractive to the other GM candidates. It's not like they're firing Ron Wolf here the guy couldn't have performed worse in the past two drafts and FA periods if he tried. Of course I exxagerate but only by a little. If they don't clean house we'll be doing this all over again next year. One thing I would consider is getting Rob Ryan as a DC under Harbaugh or another offensive minded HC. That would take care of the mutiny problem, continuity problem and to be fair I would've loved to have Rex as a DC if not Rob may be the next best thing. Wasn't Mangini the one who picked the bowling ball with butcher knives? Sent vilma to NO because he didn't fit the system. I don't get why he has a reputation as a good talent evaluater. Robertson was drafted by Bradway/Edwards.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 3, 2014 10:07:08 GMT -5
How exactly are the Jets unattractive for potential coaches and GM's?
It's an opportunity to coach/manage a New York sports franchise that is going to have over $50 million to spend in FA and a Top 5 draft pick.
It's not like we're in total turmoil either. We have one of the most talented front sevens in the league and a couple of weapons on offense to work with.
The biggest issues with this team are at QB and in the secondary.
And the secondary shouldn't be that hard of a fix if we just sign someone like Byron Maxwell and maybe a true FS like Rahim Moore and get guys like Milliner and McDougle back healthy.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 3, 2014 10:24:52 GMT -5
First and foremost TERRY BRADWAY has to go! How he is still employed by the Jets is beyond me. Idzik has to go as well. In fact they need to clean house. And I think the fact that he will be fired after two years is irrelevant to the Jets being attractive to the other GM candidates. It's not like they're firing Ron Wolf here the guy couldn't have performed worse in the past two drafts and FA periods if he tried. Of course I exxagerate but only by a little. If they don't clean house we'll be doing this all over again next year. One thing I would consider is getting Rob Ryan as a DC under Harbaugh or another offensive minded HC. That would take care of the mutiny problem, continuity problem and to be fair I would've loved to have Rex as a DC if not Rob may be the next best thing. Wasn't Mangini the one who picked the bowling ball with butcher knives? Sent vilma to NO because he didn't fit the system. I don't get why he has a reputation as a good talent evaluater. Agree about Bradway, the problem is that even if a new GM is brought in Bradway will still be here for the 2015 draft. Changes to the scouting department won't occur until after the draft.
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Post by sadface on Dec 3, 2014 11:58:37 GMT -5
How exactly are the Jets unattractive for potential coaches and GM's? It's an opportunity to coach/manage a New York sports franchise that is going to have over $50 million to spend in FA and a Top 5 draft pick. It's not like we're in total turmoil either. We have one of the most talented front sevens in the league and a couple of weapons on offense to work with. The biggest issues with this team are at QB and in the secondary. And the secondary shouldn't be that hard of a fix if we just sign someone like Byron Maxwell and maybe a true FS like Rahim Moore and get guys like Milliner and McDougle back healthy. the concern is that a candidate will see the Jets as a firing culture. he'll see us as a place with 50 million in cap room to play with, a top 5 draft pick, and zero patience. he will have a great offseason, pick a promising player at 5, have a new QB of the future... and if by his second year we haven't made the playoffs, he could very well lose his job without giving his vision enough time to materialize. i'm not saying this is whats destined to happen... but how can a good GM candidate not at least consider this? people want job security. 50 million and a top 5 pick does not give someone the license to make a mistake, and it certainly doesn't keep them from making more than anyone else.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 3, 2014 12:03:06 GMT -5
How exactly are the Jets unattractive for potential coaches and GM's? It's an opportunity to coach/manage a New York sports franchise that is going to have over $50 million to spend in FA and a Top 5 draft pick. It's not like we're in total turmoil either. We have one of the most talented front sevens in the league and a couple of weapons on offense to work with. The biggest issues with this team are at QB and in the secondary. And the secondary shouldn't be that hard of a fix if we just sign someone like Byron Maxwell and maybe a true FS like Rahim Moore and get guys like Milliner and McDougle back healthy. the concern is that a candidate will see the Jets as a firing culture. he'll see us as a place with 50 million in cap room to play with, a top 5 draft pick, and zero patience. he will have a great offseason, pick a promising player at 5, have a new QB of the future... and if by his second year we haven't made the playoffs, he could very well lose his job without giving his vision enough time to materialize. i'm not saying this is whats destined to happen... but how can a good GM candidate not at least consider this? people want job security. 50 million and a top 5 pick does not give someone the license to make a mistake, and it certainly doesn't keep them from making more than anyone else. I don't see how the Jets have a "firing" culture. It's not like we annually toss aside HC's and GM's like the Raiders and Browns. We gave Tannenbaum 8 years on the job. We brought back Rex despite missing the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 3, 2014 12:06:00 GMT -5
the concern is that a candidate will see the Jets as a firing culture. he'll see us as a place with 50 million in cap room to play with, a top 5 draft pick, and zero patience. he will have a great offseason, pick a promising player at 5, have a new QB of the future... and if by his second year we haven't made the playoffs, he could very well lose his job without giving his vision enough time to materialize. i'm not saying this is whats destined to happen... but how can a good GM candidate not at least consider this? people want job security. 50 million and a top 5 pick does not give someone the license to make a mistake, and it certainly doesn't keep them from making more than anyone else. I don't see how the Jets have a "firing" culture. It's not like we annually toss aside HC's and GM's like the Raiders and Browns. True, hell the GM who was hired in 2001 then relieved of his duties in 2006, is still employed by the team.
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Post by sadface on Dec 3, 2014 12:34:49 GMT -5
the concern is that a candidate will see the Jets as a firing culture. he'll see us as a place with 50 million in cap room to play with, a top 5 draft pick, and zero patience. he will have a great offseason, pick a promising player at 5, have a new QB of the future... and if by his second year we haven't made the playoffs, he could very well lose his job without giving his vision enough time to materialize. i'm not saying this is whats destined to happen... but how can a good GM candidate not at least consider this? people want job security. 50 million and a top 5 pick does not give someone the license to make a mistake, and it certainly doesn't keep them from making more than anyone else. I don't see how the Jets have a "firing" culture. It's not like we annually toss aside HC's and GM's like the Raiders and Browns. We gave Tannenbaum 8 years on the job. We brought back Rex despite missing the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row. good point. but then you also have Idzik who would have, in this scenario, lasted only two seasons. if the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league like everyone says it is, won't GM candidates only look at Idzik as an example of an impatient franchise? i hope im wrong
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Post by patman on Dec 3, 2014 12:49:44 GMT -5
The jets have one of the best D-lines, I don't know why you extrapolate that to the front 7. The jet LBs with the exception of Davis are OK going forward, but are a negative in coverage.
Not everyone wants to play or live in the northeast. The media and fan scrutiny is too intense. If you ask me what job would I as a GM would prefer the Dolphins, Tampa, Atlanta, NO, Tenn, ST Louis over NY, Boston, Philly. What makes the jets attractive is that by in comparison to Idsik, you're going to look like you know what your doing, and the honeymoon will last a little longer. The jets have plenty of cap room but so do a dozen teams, and the players coming to the jets, I mean the depth guys, 1st backups etc when they make 2 mill a year, they pay 12-15% more than what they do in most other states outside the northeast, so it is harder to attract and keep that depth. Harvin makes 10 mill a year, he might not care about an extra 1/2 mill in taxes, he is set for life, But the guy making 2 mill, an extra $100-150,000 is something.
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Post by Flushing Roots on Dec 3, 2014 13:15:25 GMT -5
As outspoken as Rex is, I wonder if once he gets sh*t canned on Black Monday and then gets rehired in the NFL or works for ESPN, will he speak out negatively about Idzik and or Woody?
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 3, 2014 15:37:51 GMT -5
As outspoken as Rex is, I wonder if once he gets sh*t canned on Black Monday and then gets rehired in the NFL or works for ESPN, will he speak out negatively about Idzik and or Woody? I seriously doubt that. With the shit he is putting up with this season and he is being nothing but classy and a company man, by then it will be bygones will be bygones and he will have had the last laugh. He'll either have a cushy TV job where there is no accountability and little pressure (relatively speaking) or he'll be the coach of a superbowl winnign team
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Post by Touchable on Dec 3, 2014 16:00:33 GMT -5
I don't see how the Jets have a "firing" culture. It's not like we annually toss aside HC's and GM's like the Raiders and Browns. We gave Tannenbaum 8 years on the job. We brought back Rex despite missing the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row. good point. but then you also have Idzik who would have, in this scenario, lasted only two seasons. if the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league like everyone says it is, won't GM candidates only look at Idzik as an example of an impatient franchise? i hope im wrong I personally don't see Idzik going anywhere. You let him hire his own HC and give both of them a minimum of 2 years. If this team isn't heading in the right direction come December of 2016, then you totally clean house after the season.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 3, 2014 16:14:11 GMT -5
good point. but then you also have Idzik who would have, in this scenario, lasted only two seasons. if the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league like everyone says it is, won't GM candidates only look at Idzik as an example of an impatient franchise? i hope im wrong I personally don't see Idzik going anywhere. You let him hire his own HC and give both of them a minimum of 2 years. If this team isn't heading in the right direction come December of 2016, then you totally clean house after the season. That's probably what happens. Woody won't admit his Korn Ferry money was wasted
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