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Post by Trades on Feb 23, 2015 17:27:32 GMT -5
Who will be in charge of the regulation? Who is in charge of regulating the rest of the legal drugs in our society?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 17:34:25 GMT -5
Who will be in charge of the regulation? Who is in charge of regulating the rest of the legal drugs in our society? Boy oh boy you Libertarians are special. More gov't will be needed to regulate every drug out there, More Gov't Please!!!
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Post by Trades on Feb 23, 2015 19:25:53 GMT -5
Who is in charge of regulating the rest of the legal drugs in our society? Boy oh boy you Libertarians are special. More gov't will be needed to regulate every drug out there, More Gov't Please!!! Boy you libtard nanny state promoters are special. While you like to portray small government as a desire for zero government and fewer and smarter regulations as zero regulations, that is anarchy not libertarianism. Do you think there is no government in the drug laws today? It would actually be less government when you subtract the war on drugs (billions of dollars wasted) and the millions of people that are in jail vs the hopefully (though I would doubt it) reasonable and intelligent controls that could be placed around them similar to alcohol for the lighter stuff and a bit stronger for the stronger stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 23:03:16 GMT -5
Boy oh boy you Libertarians are special. More gov't will be needed to regulate every drug out there, More Gov't Please!!! Boy you libtard nanny state promoters are special. While you like to portray small government as a desire for zero government and fewer and smarter regulations as zero regulations, that is anarchy not libertarianism. Do you think there is no government in the drug laws today? It would actually be less government when you subtract the war on drugs (billions of dollars wasted) and the millions of people that are in jail vs the hopefully (though I would doubt it) reasonable and intelligent controls that could be placed around them similar to alcohol for the lighter stuff and a bit stronger for the stronger stuff. Yawn, thank you for showing why the Libertarian party is a joke.
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Post by Trades on Feb 24, 2015 10:32:15 GMT -5
Boy you libtard nanny state promoters are special. While you like to portray small government as a desire for zero government and fewer and smarter regulations as zero regulations, that is anarchy not libertarianism. Do you think there is no government in the drug laws today? It would actually be less government when you subtract the war on drugs (billions of dollars wasted) and the millions of people that are in jail vs the hopefully (though I would doubt it) reasonable and intelligent controls that could be placed around them similar to alcohol for the lighter stuff and a bit stronger for the stronger stuff. Yawn, thank you for showing why the Libertarian party is a joke. It is a joke because you can't understand what is being said? To you total control is the only answer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 12:47:45 GMT -5
Yawn, thank you for showing why the Libertarian party is a joke. It is a joke because you can't understand what is being said? To you total control is the only answer. Oh you want limited REGULATIONS!!! That should work famously. Your theory of legal drugs sucks and it will cost us billions more than what we are currently spending on the drug war. You understand that this drug isn't just in the US.
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Post by Trades on Feb 24, 2015 13:49:54 GMT -5
It is a joke because you can't understand what is being said? To you total control is the only answer. Oh you want limited REGULATIONS!!! That should work famously. Your theory of legal drugs sucks and it will cost us billions more than what we are currently spending on the drug war. You understand that this drug isn't just in the US. You mean like guns?
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Post by PK on Feb 24, 2015 13:50:18 GMT -5
On the issue of the antique gun, the following would make sense: So the guy had an unloaded antique gun, which he handed over right away, told cops they were there to buy drugs, but had nothing on his person in the form of drugs or paraphenalia? They got the other guy on possession (wondering myself why a 72 yr old and a 21 yr old are driving around looking for drugs together, sounds like breaking bad part 2). What a bizarre story. I guess they cant get gramps on the drug charge, so get him on on the antique gun "felony"? End justifies the means? Why 1898?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 14:07:49 GMT -5
Oh you want limited REGULATIONS!!! That should work famously. Your theory of legal drugs sucks and it will cost us billions more than what we are currently spending on the drug war. You understand that this drug isn't just in the US. You mean like guns? Little desperate
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Post by Trades on Feb 24, 2015 14:50:55 GMT -5
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Post by Gunnails on Feb 24, 2015 15:30:44 GMT -5
================================== I'm not sure there is a specific reason other than that is how the law was written. Generally speaking that is during the period when firearms were transitioning from black powder to smokeless powder and lots of firearm advancements were being made. Black powder guns are generally weaker in design and therefore can't fire more powerful cartridges. The logic behind it was probably negotiated back in 1968 when the gun control act of '68 was put into place. 1898 was probably some sort of compromise that the legislators could agree to.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Feb 24, 2015 16:11:36 GMT -5
On the issue of the antique gun, the following would make sense: So the guy had an unloaded antique gun, which he handed over right away, told cops they were there to buy drugs, but had nothing on his person in the form of drugs or paraphenalia? They got the other guy on possession (wondering myself why a 72 yr old and a 21 yr old are driving around looking for drugs together, sounds like breaking bad part 2). What a bizarre story. I guess they cant get gramps on the drug charge, so get him on on the antique gun "felony"? End justifies the means? Why 1898? Thats the date that was picked when they enacted the Gun Control Act of 1968. Most guns manufactured pre-1898 are considered antique. There's folks recently that want to change the date to 1913 as well. It would make sense to have some uniformity. A blunderbuss vs an AK... NJ apparently treats their possession the same.
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 20, 2015 17:44:34 GMT -5
I guess the publicity was too much? NJ drops gun charge against retired teacher over centuries-old flintlock gun
A New Jersey prosecutor Wednesday dropped the felony gun charge against a retired schoolteacher who was arrested last year when authorities discovered an unloaded, 300-year-old flintlock pistol wrapped in his car's glove compartment. "I'm very appreciative that they exercised their discretion here and did the right thing," Evan Nappen, the attorney representing Gordon Van Gilder, told The Daily Journal. The Cumberland County prosecutor said the state will exercise "prosecutorial discretion" in the case, but warned others about the laws pertaining to firearm possession, even if the gun is an antique. Van Gilder had faced 10 years in prison and the loss of his state pension if convicted. Nappen praised the prosecutor's decision. Van Gilder, 72, who collects historical items, acknowledged the unloaded gun was in his glove compartment and wrapped in cloth when he was pulled over for a traffic violation in Cumberland County in November 2014, according to Nappen. He had recently bought the gun and was planning to add it to his collection of antiques, which includes other old firearms, the lawyer said. "This is a Queen Anne flintlock, which is a very pretty gun," Nappen said. "The barrel looks like a cannon and it has a single shot – you have to actually untwist the barrel to load it – it’s pretty involved to even attempt to load it. But the craftsmanship is from the 1760s, and it’s just magnificent to think that every piece of it was handmade.” The flintlock is in the county's custody and Van Gilder plans to retrieve the gun. But New Jersey law does not exempt antique firearms, said Nappen, who recently defended a Pennsylvania single mother who was pulled over just across the New Jersey border with a registered gun she carried for protection. In that case, Nappen helped his client avoid a 3-year mandatory minimum sentence only after widespread publicity, including extensive coverage by Fox News, led the state Attorney General's www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/26/nj-prosecutor-drops-gun-charge-against-retired-teacher-over-centuries-old/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 13:14:53 GMT -5
I guess the publicity was too much? NJ drops gun charge against retired teacher over centuries-old flintlock gun
A New Jersey prosecutor Wednesday dropped the felony gun charge against a retired schoolteacher who was arrested last year when authorities discovered an unloaded, 300-year-old flintlock pistol wrapped in his car's glove compartment. "I'm very appreciative that they exercised their discretion here and did the right thing," Evan Nappen, the attorney representing Gordon Van Gilder, told The Daily Journal. The Cumberland County prosecutor said the state will exercise "prosecutorial discretion" in the case, but warned others about the laws pertaining to firearm possession, even if the gun is an antique. Van Gilder had faced 10 years in prison and the loss of his state pension if convicted. Nappen praised the prosecutor's decision. Van Gilder, 72, who collects historical items, acknowledged the unloaded gun was in his glove compartment and wrapped in cloth when he was pulled over for a traffic violation in Cumberland County in November 2014, according to Nappen. He had recently bought the gun and was planning to add it to his collection of antiques, which includes other old firearms, the lawyer said. "This is a Queen Anne flintlock, which is a very pretty gun," Nappen said. "The barrel looks like a cannon and it has a single shot – you have to actually untwist the barrel to load it – it’s pretty involved to even attempt to load it. But the craftsmanship is from the 1760s, and it’s just magnificent to think that every piece of it was handmade.” The flintlock is in the county's custody and Van Gilder plans to retrieve the gun. But New Jersey law does not exempt antique firearms, said Nappen, who recently defended a Pennsylvania single mother who was pulled over just across the New Jersey border with a registered gun she carried for protection. In that case, Nappen helped his client avoid a 3-year mandatory minimum sentence only after widespread publicity, including extensive coverage by Fox News, led the state Attorney General's www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/26/nj-prosecutor-drops-gun-charge-against-retired-teacher-over-centuries-old/ Or he flipped on the person who sold him heroin.
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Post by thebigragu on Mar 24, 2015 18:50:05 GMT -5
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