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Post by quantum on Feb 24, 2015 9:04:40 GMT -5
if soylent green were made from hot chicks, I'd be all over that like white on rice.
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Feb 24, 2015 10:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by PK on Feb 24, 2015 10:05:13 GMT -5
Without GMOs we could never hope to feed the people of the world. Hippies are against chemical fertilizers and pesticides yet GMOs allow for less use of both and less water for growing our food. There has never been anything proven stating that GMOs are harmful and most of the crap about vaccines has been proven wrong. Not getting vaccinated is MUCH more dangerous than getting vaccinated. Yes the flu vaccine is a choice but things like polio devastate unvaccinated populations. You're using an extremely broad definition of 'modified'. Hybridization is not the same as genetic modification, it doesn't introduce dna of foreign species into another one like genetically modified organisms do. And corn is another example of how farmers have changed the plant similar to your banana; it used to have only a few seeds on a cob, not filled with seeds like (pre-GMO) cobs. Corn and grains aren't exactly the healthiest things to eat anyway and this is what the Paleo people whom you hate have realized and acknowledged, by going back to a pre-agricultural revolution diet which the human body hasn't evolved to cope with Paleo. Their gut flora was so good but their life expectancy was still dismally low. Hippies and people who shop at Whole Foods are idiots. Can't elaborate much more than that.
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Feb 24, 2015 10:29:22 GMT -5
Post by Trades on Feb 24, 2015 10:29:22 GMT -5
if soylent green were made from hot chicks, I'd be all over that like white on rice. I would want it raw though, in its natural form. Don't modify my "food"!!!!!
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Feb 24, 2015 10:40:14 GMT -5
Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 24, 2015 10:40:14 GMT -5
You're using an extremely broad definition of 'modified'. Hybridization is not the same as genetic modification, it doesn't introduce dna of foreign species into another one like genetically modified organisms do. And corn is another example of how farmers have changed the plant similar to your banana; it used to have only a few seeds on a cob, not filled with seeds like (pre-GMO) cobs. Corn and grains aren't exactly the healthiest things to eat anyway and this is what the Paleo people whom you hate have realized and acknowledged, by going back to a pre-agricultural revolution diet which the human body hasn't evolved to cope with Paleo. Their gut flora was so good but their life expectancy was still dismally low. Hippies and people who shop at Whole Foods are idiots. Can't elaborate much more than that. it's a misconception that Paleo people had short life spans. They didn't die from MRSA or CRE but rather mostly injuries if they made it past infancy. www.stoneagedoc.com/Short_lived_Stone_Age.htmDeath from disease actually increased when humans transitioned from hunter gatherers to farming due to living in close proximity. 20-hour work week, not bad. People are running around like chickens without heads now terrified about all these outbreaks of antibiotic resistant bacterial infections and wondering "why is this happening", as well as an unquestioned rise in rates of allergies to things that used to be "normal". No disagreement that Whole Foods is very expensive, if that's what you mean by being an idiot for shopping there. It's a shame that we have to pay extra for wholesome food, and that food "manufacturers" won't allow labeling on their food to let us know if it's GMO. If it's so wonderful why don't they want us to know? You don't have to shop at Whole Paycheck to eat a Paleo diet, either. And, it's possible to grow some of your own food, hunt and fish for it, etc without going to Whole Foods. Or just get it any store that sells "food". It doesn't have to be organic to be Paleo. I never did get your avatar either. It doesn't look like it's pro-Monsanto at all.
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Post by DDNYjets on Feb 24, 2015 10:58:17 GMT -5
Are people sicker today then they were in years past b.c of how we produce food or are we just better at diagnosing things today? A lot of the shit we eat we probably weren't meant to eat.
I dunno. I think this onion has many layers.
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Feb 24, 2015 10:59:08 GMT -5
Post by DDNYjets on Feb 24, 2015 10:59:08 GMT -5
I welcome the plague. It would be a miracle in disguise. We NEED to thin the herd.
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Post by Trades on Feb 24, 2015 11:01:24 GMT -5
I welcome the plague. It would be a miracle in disguise. We NEED to thin the herd. Who would you start with? You can't choose the victims of a plague.
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Post by DDNYjets on Feb 24, 2015 11:05:04 GMT -5
I welcome the plague. It would be a miracle in disguise. We NEED to thin the herd. Who would you start with? You can't choose the victims of a plague. Id start with the Middle East and North Africa. Then hipster Brooklyn.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 24, 2015 11:05:11 GMT -5
Interesting how every discussion of vaccines always circles back to polio, as if all diseases and all vaccines are the same. All diseases, just as deadly, and all vaccines, just as effective.
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Feb 24, 2015 11:32:06 GMT -5
Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 24, 2015 11:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by PK on Feb 24, 2015 12:59:07 GMT -5
Bt corn is safer than non bt corn. Much much less insecticides are used on bt corn.
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Feb 24, 2015 13:56:14 GMT -5
Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 24, 2015 13:56:14 GMT -5
Bt corn is safer than non bt corn. Much much less insecticides are used on bt corn. Fortunately it's not a simple binary choice of either bt corn or pesticide laden non-bt corn. There are alternatives
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Feb 24, 2015 13:59:30 GMT -5
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Post by PK on Feb 24, 2015 13:59:30 GMT -5
Bt corn is safer than non bt corn. Much much less insecticides are used on bt corn. Fortunately it's not a simple binary choice of either bt corn or pesticide laden non-bt corn. There are alternatives Exactly. Like washing produce before eating it.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 24, 2015 15:41:54 GMT -5
Fortunately it's not a simple binary choice of either bt corn or pesticide laden non-bt corn. There are alternatives Exactly. Like washing produce before eating it. If only it was that easy.
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Post by Jetworks on Feb 24, 2015 18:34:07 GMT -5
Anti-intellectual fears? I'm an admitted novice when it comes to the GMO stuff, but the vaccine and overall Pharma stuff is mostly spot-on. What irrational positions are you referring to? Before answering, please don't bring tired, flawed epidemiological research "studies" to the table for any of your arguments, it will save us both a lot of time in defending any arguments put forth. I'm surprised you have an anti-vaccine stance given that you are entering a medical profession. That's the thing, I'm not. I'm vaccinated and my kids are vaccinated, despite my first having an adverse reaction. That's why I wanted people to actually watch the film. It's not anti-vaccine, it's more about vaccines not being this super-safe, totally effective, benign thing. As soon as you question the safety of vaccines, their mandatory administration, or worse say you have a child you witnessed become injured by them, you're automatically "anti-vaccine", a science-denier or tinfoil hat nutter. Fact is vaccines injure people, just like other medical procedures. The difference is people want them to be compulsory, without the avenue of litigation or administrative liability, unlike other medical procedures. Often the argument of the "greater good" is put forth with an eye towards herd immunity, a concept that is untenable with regards to certain disease processes, not the least of which is the measles vaccine, one where unprotected people can be infected by those shedding the vaccine. Know how many people have died from the measles the last 10 years or so? None, but about 100 have died as a direct result of the vaccine. It's a complex issue too often obfuscated by the likes of people who don't go past a few pages of Google searches. Classic woo tactic; avoid the facts, shift the goalposts and play a sympathy card. Know how many cases of polio are spread overseas? By people shedding the live vaccine components (they still use OPV overseas). Last case like that over here was the one involving a Staten Island parent who contracted it from his daughter's diaper. Case was recently settled a few years ago (millions, I believe). That was decades ago, when you could hold a vaccine manufacturer responsible for making a shoddy product. The SCOTUS put that final nail in the coffin with Wyeth v. Bruesewitz. Like I said, the issue is multi-layered and complex; the article above illustrates just how pervasive the disinformation out there truly is.
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