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Post by Touchable on Mar 15, 2015 11:08:15 GMT -5
Per twatter
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 15, 2015 11:33:39 GMT -5
Draft the beast
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Post by Paradis on Mar 15, 2015 11:47:19 GMT -5
I feel the same way about drafting Mariota as i did Sanchez.... just not feeling it. But i appreciate the staff doing their diligence i suppose.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 15, 2015 12:07:39 GMT -5
I feel the same way about drafting Mariota as i did Sanchez.... just not feeling it. But i appreciate the staff doing their diligence i suppose. They have to do their due diligence. I am also not a big Mariota guy, but the coaching and scouting staffs would not be doing their jobs if they did not look into a potential franchise QB who could be on the board when we draft. I would not be opposed to drafting Mariota at 6 if he is on the board, but I might also breathe a sigh of relief if Wash takes him at 5 (or if he goes earlier). |
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Post by sadface on Mar 15, 2015 12:17:06 GMT -5
im against picking Mariota simply because i don't see him as an NFL QB. he made a living in college by winning with his athleticism and throwing to wide-open receivers. this will not work in the NFL so you're banking on qualities you hope he has. if the Jets feel like he has those qualities and can be the guy, then they have to take him if he's available. i'm just kinda hoping he's not.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 15, 2015 12:39:16 GMT -5
im against picking Mariota simply because i don't see him as an NFL QB. he made a living in college by winning with his athleticism and throwing to wide-open receivers. this will not work in the NFL so you're banking on qualities you hope he has. if the Jets feel like he has those qualities and can be the guy, then they have to take him if he's available. i'm just kinda hoping he's not. When you have a QB with 4.4 speed, then of course you're going to design plays to get him in space and use his legs. Mariota can't help that he comes from a spread offense. But judging from everything I've heard, the kid eats, sleeps and breathes football and has the work ethic and intelligence to make things work, regardless of the system. Would I want him to start from Day 1? No, you sit him on the bench for a year and let Geno and Fitz fight it out for the starting job. List Mariota as 3rd on the depth chart the entire year. Then let him take over in 2016 after he has a full year in Gailey's offense and a full year in an NFL strength and conditioning program under his belt. The bottom line is this...if Mariota pans out, then he's going to help this team a helluva lot more in the foreseeable future than a passrusher like Shane Ray or a WR like Cooper/White. Besides, finding a quality WR or OLB in the mid-late rounds is historically MUCH easier to achieve than hitting on a QB after the 1st round. |
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Post by monsterxman on Mar 15, 2015 19:05:03 GMT -5
We're usually right on the same page. But go watch some interviews, great kid, but quiet, lead by example type. A pro style offense is going to be a project for him to learn,
I'm not feeling it. If we pick him, I'll root for him just the same as I did for Sanchez, but I have doubts just like I did with Sanchez.
I like both Petty and Grayson's personality, football acumen + see them as better value/smarter picks given we still don't know what we have with Geno.
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Post by RobR on Mar 15, 2015 21:21:18 GMT -5
The bottom line is this...if Mariota pans out, then he's going to help this team a helluva lot more in the foreseeable future than a passrusher like Shane Ray or a WR like Cooper/White. Playing devils advocate....what happens if Mariota busts and Ray(insert your favorite OLB rusher) turns into a perennial 10+ sack guy? I get your line of reasoning, but I'm not sure reaching for a maybe future savior is the wise choice. Just because he is smart, athletically gifted and devotes his life too football, does not guarantee us of a slam dunk franchise QB. He has legit question marks. We have another draft loaded with needs like WR, OLB , RB, and OT. If he is available and Mac pulls the trigger, I'll be behind it 100% because I'm a fan, but I'll always second guess the pick. I wonder how many Redskin fans thought they had their savior after RG3's first year? |
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Post by maury77 on Mar 15, 2015 21:25:27 GMT -5
The bottom line is this...if Mariota pans out, then he's going to help this team a helluva lot more in the foreseeable future than a passrusher like Shane Ray or a WR like Cooper/White. Playing devils advocate....what happens if Mariota busts and Ray(insert your favorite OLB rusher) turns into a perennial 10+ sack guy? I get your line of reasoning, but I'm not sure reaching for a maybe future savior is the wise choice. Just because he is smart, athletically gifted and devotes his life too football, does not guarantee us of a slam dunk franchise QB. He has legit question marks. We have another draft loaded with needs like WR, OLB , RB, and OT. If he is available and Mac pulls the trigger, I'll be behind it 100% because I'm a fan, but I'll always second guess the pick. I wonder how many Redskin fans thought they had their savior after RG3's first year? I'd feel safer choosing Griffin instead of Mariota. The guy can't throw accurately downfield. Seems like a great kid, but it is what it is. I can't get excited about a guy whose ceiling is Alex Smith (not in the top 10). |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 16, 2015 1:19:02 GMT -5
im against picking Mariota simply because i don't see him as an NFL QB. he made a living in college by winning with his athleticism and throwing to wide-open receivers. this will not work in the NFL so you're banking on qualities you hope he has. if the Jets feel like he has those qualities and can be the guy, then they have to take him if he's available. i'm just kinda hoping he's not. List Mariota as 3rd on the depth chart the entire year. Then let him take over in 2016 after he has a full year in Gailey's offense and a full year in an NFL strength and conditioning program under his belt. Dude, snarky-ness aside and being straight up - we both know that'll never happen. NY?... Geno last year? The beard?... The day after we draft Mariota, the drama will start... and barring a total Geno revolution (which is almost impossible during the preseason at this point), Mariota will be thrusted into the line up. If not week 1, then sometime in the weeks to come. Mariota coming here is probably the worst thing that could happen to both him, and the Jets. We've been through to much of this "rookie growing pains" over the last 5-6 years, and it's not going to go well. What this franchise needs is for Geno to look OK, or the Beard to hold the fort down while we develop someone. Grayson, or someone next year. (or if you're me, Brandon Bridge). Barring a prospect like Winston --without the off-field jazz-- this franchise needs a veteran to allow this offense and team to gel and most importantly, gain a sense of confidence. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 16, 2015 21:21:49 GMT -5
I've decided i'm not going to comment on QBs anymore - other than to throw a little love here and there.
I get too worked up and act like a dick. I'm overly critical when it comes to the position (i can count on one hand how many QBs ive been a fan of since 2011) and i'm tired of reading my diatribe posts and thinking - what an asshole.
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Post by crossfire on Mar 16, 2015 23:31:12 GMT -5
There are generally two types of of assholes who comment on drafting QBs. The assholes who are hyper-critical and the assholes who look past the flaws because they want a QB so bad. You may fall into the former but sometimes I fall into the latter. But it's always worth discussing.so keep on doing what you do. At least your an intellectual asshole.  |
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Post by greenreaper on Mar 18, 2015 15:14:26 GMT -5
When you look at the impressive stats of these Oregon Ducks QBs...IMO...it's the Chip Kelly program he installed there that plays a big part in the QB's success.
In 2010 and 2011...QB Darren Thomas ran Kelly's up tempo no huddle spread offense. He threw for 30 TDs and 9 INTs in 2010. Next year he threw for 33 TDs and just 7 INTs. Yet he wasn't even drafted by any NFL teams.
In 2013 Mariota threw 31 TDs and 4 INTs. Next year he threw 42 TDs and 4 INTs. He will get drafted...but where?
Geno also had impressive stats playing in West Virginia's Air Raid offense. In 2011 he threw for 31 TDs and 7 INTs. 2012 he threw 42 TDs and 6 INTs. He was drafted in the 2nd round. Right where I thought he should be. Cause he was going to be a project QB.
Both QBs have talent. But it's the offensive systems installed at these schools that help them abuse college defenses so prolifically. Both QBs only take snaps from the shot gun. Neither had to time 3-5-7 step drops with their receiver's routes. Very little in the nature of reads and progressions were asked of them.
For Geno it's been a two year struggle to try and rewire him into operating a NFL Pro style offense. It will also be the same for Mariota. Maybe he learns faster...maybe not. It's been a 50-50 proposition when it comes to success for a 1st round QB pick. And it becomes more difficult each year as more college QBs are operating various shot gun-spread offenses.
Winston at #6...yea....but he won't be there. I can't see the Jets decision makers picking Mariota there simply because they need a franchise QB. The Jets would have to be in love with what they see of Mariota on tape and in private workouts. They would have to have a lot of enthusiasm and confidence that he can be the guy that's gonna hoist the Lombardi Trophy for the NYJ.
Anything short of "pop the champagne...we got Mariota!" high fives in the War Room, and the Jets will auction him off if possible. Or take who really is BPA on their Big Board.
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Post by TheMo on Mar 21, 2015 16:47:21 GMT -5
I've decided i'm not going to comment on QBs anymore - other than to throw a little love here and there. I get too worked up and act like a dick. I'm overly critical when it comes to the position (i can count on one hand how many QBs ive been a fan of since 2011) and i'm tired of reading my diatribe posts and thinking - what an asshole. Lol this is what I love about the Hampur and more specifically the draft forum. We may be stubborn as fuck, but god damn it we have the insight to know that sometimes we are being assholes. Hats off to you sir. For the record I think deep down you have the right idea that people worshiping Mariota as the next coming of Aaron Rodgers have jumped off the deep end. Personally I am not totally sold on him, but think he is still a very good prospect with potential. Then again I like Hundley in the 2nd in terms of value (don't think his ceiling is actually all that much lower than Mariota, just didn't have the system or the hype to get vaulted into the 1st round). |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 21, 2015 16:53:24 GMT -5
I've decided i'm not going to comment on QBs anymore - other than to throw a little love here and there. I get too worked up and act like a dick. I'm overly critical when it comes to the position (i can count on one hand how many QBs ive been a fan of since 2011) and i'm tired of reading my diatribe posts and thinking - what an asshole. Lol this is what I love about the Hampur and more specifically the draft forum. We may be stubborn as fuck, but god damn it we have the insight to know that sometimes we are being assholes. Hats off to you sir. For the record I think deep down you have the right idea that people worshiping Mariota as the next coming of Aaron Rodgers have jumped off the deep end. Personally I am not totally sold on him, but think he is still a very good prospect with potential. Then again I like Hundley in the 2nd in terms of value (don't think his ceiling is actually all that much lower than Mariota, just didn't have the system or the hype to get vaulted into the 1st round). So much for my abstinence, i couldn't help throwing my two cents in on Petty.  |
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