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Post by Paradis on Mar 31, 2015 19:29:07 GMT -5
I've been watching a lot of Gordon lately... and I keep coming away more impressed than the last time (and with a boner). I've come to conclusion that he's without a doubt, an underrated RB who's 100% round 1 talent.
He's shown me:
Elite burst. When he bangs forward, it's 0-60 immediately. This is everything to the NFL when you're not build like Ingram or Blount.
NFL caliber vision and grasp of what's happening on the field. He plays like he knows whats happening both in front and around him.
Ability to make decisions and cut in an instant. No delay. This coupled with his burst is what's really allowed Gordon to be dominant.
Great balance of knowing when to take contact, and when to find more open field.
Above average to great at times - ability to pick up yards after contact. He's demonstrated he can consistently break tackles and keep moving.
At the second level, he forces LBs/secondary to turn the hips before he drives forward - allowing him to turn the player around.
What he isn't -- is Todd Gurley. He's not going to juggernaut his way through the line and over defenders... and thats OK. At 6'1 and 215, he possess more than enough size and strength to get the job done. He however, smartly plays to his strengths; his burst and vision.
Conclusion; Jets aren't going to take him at #6 (or at least we think), but they're declared interest in bringing in a dominant RB through the draft & the interest in Gordon (proday workout) bangs open the door of possibilities of maybe trading back into the first if he's slips within reach. That may end up costing us our 1st next year, but right now, i'm OK with that.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 31, 2015 19:39:21 GMT -5
Spot on analysis. Welcome aboard the Gordon train. I've been scheming up ideas on how to get him and a one of the top WRs since he declared. The only knock on him is that he didn't catch a lot of passes, but I don't think he'll have a problem doing it at the NFL level. I watched a lot Wisconsin games this year, and when they did throw to him he looked more than capable.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 31, 2015 19:49:50 GMT -5
Spot on analysis. Welcome aboard the Gordon train. I've been scheming up ideas on how to get him and a one of the top WRs since he declared. The only knock on him is that he didn't catch a lot of passes, but I don't think he'll have a problem doing it at the NFL level. I watched a lot Wisconsin games this year, and when they did throw to him he looked more than capable. Exactly, you can't fault Gordon for something he wasn't asked to do at Wisconsin. When he was thrown the ball, he didn't look uncomfortable at all... in fact, he's made numerous difficult catches, and displayed that ability to turn and bang forward. Based on injury history, one could easily make a case for why Gordon is a safer prospect than Gurley to have prolific NFL career. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 31, 2015 19:54:50 GMT -5
Spot on analysis. Welcome aboard the Gordon train. I've been scheming up ideas on how to get him and a one of the top WRs since he declared. The only knock on him is that he didn't catch a lot of passes, but I don't think he'll have a problem doing it at the NFL level. I watched a lot Wisconsin games this year, and when they did throw to him he looked more than capable. Exactly, you can't fault Gordon for something he wasn't asked to do at Wisconsin. He was thrown the ball, he didn't look uncomfortable at all... in fact, he's made numerous difficult catches, and displayed that ability to turn and bang forward. One could easily make a case for why Gordon is a safer prospect than Gurley to have prolific NFL career. Agreed. Before the injuries I actually thought Gordon was the safer pick, but Gurley had a higher ceiling. To me they're the best RB prospects to come out since DMC. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 31, 2015 20:16:48 GMT -5
Sweet DMC... a man crush that will never die.
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Post by RobR on Mar 31, 2015 21:16:59 GMT -5
Our only problem is that he is in that range where he is not worth our first, and WILL be gone by our second. I'm not a big fan of trading down, but if there was ever a draft to do it, it's this year.
Hopefully some schmuck trades up for Mariota if available and we can select multiple players too forward our franchise.
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Post by RobR on Mar 31, 2015 21:17:54 GMT -5
Sweet DMC... a man crush that will never die. Gordon is a better prospect than DMC. Hands down and that is not hindsight. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 31, 2015 23:46:49 GMT -5
Sweet DMC... a man crush that will never die. Gordon is a better prospect than DMC. Hands down and that is not hindsight. ehhh, i wouldn't throw down with that statement. I'm having a hard time believing "hindsight" is a non-factor when you say that. I like Gordon better than Spiller, Ingram, Richardson and a few others when they came out, and so I would put him in the company of DMC, not ahead by a country mile like you're suggesting.... remember DMC was taken 4th overall... and if OAK didn't take him, we were going to @6.... so you're saying Gordon a legit option at 6? |
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Post by RobR on Apr 1, 2015 8:17:26 GMT -5
Just because DMC went fourth doesn't mean he was worth that slot. That was a notoriously weak draft at the top and someone was going to take him, doesn't mean I liked him as a prospect and his career has been nothing but a disappointment. He was a one trick outside speed pony with rail thin legs. The yards after contact was never there for DMC, unlike Gordon and especially Gurley. Hell, I can't count how many times it took two to three players to get Gurley on the ground.
Now for some reverse psychology. Richardson went third overall and you like Gordon better......does that mean Gordon is worthy of the third overall?
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Post by Touchable on Apr 1, 2015 8:21:32 GMT -5
Richardson was a better prospect than both
I thought that kid was going to be Earl fucking Campbell with dreads.
Just shows how much of a crapshoot the draft is.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 1, 2015 10:40:53 GMT -5
Just because DMC went fourth doesn't mean he was worth that slot. That was a notoriously weak draft at the top and someone was going to take him, doesn't mean I liked him as a prospect and his career has been nothing but a disappointment. He was a one trick outside speed pony with rail thin legs. The yards after contact was never there for DMC, unlike Gordon and especially Gurley. Hell, I can't count how many times it took two to three players to get Gurley on the ground. Now for some reverse psychology. Richardson went third overall and you like Gordon better......does that mean Gordon is worthy of the third overall? totally disagree. He was anything but a one trick pony, and he made lots of inside runs that necessitating breaking through contact. In fact, I just went back to watch some old tape and reminded myself how right I am. His frame and stick legs left something desired, no doubt - but to try and spin it off like he was a mirage? and for record keeping purposes, everyone's career in OAK is a disappointment. *touché on Richardson... but I posit this -- if we're willing to look at Cooper and White at 6, then why not Gordon or Gurley? theyre as good as prospects at their respective positions, |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 1, 2015 11:00:11 GMT -5
Just because DMC went fourth doesn't mean he was worth that slot. That was a notoriously weak draft at the top and someone was going to take him, doesn't mean I liked him as a prospect and his career has been nothing but a disappointment. He was a one trick outside speed pony with rail thin legs. The yards after contact was never there for DMC, unlike Gordon and especially Gurley. Hell, I can't count how many times it took two to three players to get Gurley on the ground. Now for some reverse psychology. Richardson went third overall and you like Gordon better......does that mean Gordon is worthy of the third overall? totally disagree. He was anything but a one trick pony, and he made lots of inside runs that necessitating breaking through contact. In fact, I just went back to watch some old tape and reminded myself how right I am. His frame and stick legs left something desired, no doubt - but to try and spin it off like he was a mirage? and for record keeping purposes, everyone's career in OAK is a disappointment. *touché on Richardson... but I posit this -- if we're willing to look at Cooper and White at 6, then why not Gordon or Gurley? theyre as good as prospects at their respective positions, If it wasn't for the torn ACL, Gurley would be on my short list at #6. I still like Gordon, but Gurley IMO has the talent to be a truly transcendent player at the position. Hell, even after the torn ACL I still can't say I'd be upset if we took him that high. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 1, 2015 12:22:20 GMT -5
ive been at peace Gurley at 6 a couple months ago.
For me, I look at it like this... put all guys into a pot. Forget where ppl are "supposed" to go, and shit like "hes worth 10-20, nothing more"... and really just decide who you want on your football team. Do you want Gurley, or Scherff? or Beasley? All things being equal do would you rather have Gordon or Cooper? etc, etc...
If you approach it like that, than Gurley at 6 makes sense. Cause id rather have him that just about anyone in the draft. Parker/Ray/Winston/ are names he'd be up against.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Apr 1, 2015 13:18:35 GMT -5
I would be less than thrilled if we took Gurley at 6. Guy is coming off a torn ACL and he is a running back. Plus there are bevy of good running backs in this draft class. Why not get a Edge rusher to complete this defense or a guy like Amari Cooper who can make our WR corps deadly? Then address the RB in round 2 or 3. I feel MUCH more comfortable with that option.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 1, 2015 14:54:47 GMT -5
I would be less than thrilled if we took Gurley at 6. Guy is coming off a torn ACL and he is a running back. Plus there are bevy of good running backs in this draft class. Why not get a Edge rusher to complete this defense or a guy like Amari Cooper who can make our WR corps deadly? Then address the RB in round 2 or 3. I feel MUCH more comfortable with that option. This is a 100% valid point of view, and popular theory at the moment. Playing Devil's Advocate though: --G & G are looked at as premier talents, especially Gurley. Do you feel Fowler or Beasley is as good or safe a bet to be premier talent? --Does adding Amari along side Marshall and Decker make us better than adding Gurley or Gordon to Ivory? --Does this team benefit more from adding another player to our front 7, or adding a playmaker on offense? |
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