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Post by rexneffect on Apr 29, 2015 12:48:33 GMT -5
========================================= I think you are missing Rexn's point. I didn't. My point wouldn't change if it were a 100 a year. How many "crimes" by citizens do DAs choose not to prosecute? The DA has an obligation to only prosecute cases they think they can win. How much police brutality is ok before something should be done on an institutional level? If 100 instances of a jury or judge taking in evidence and finding civil rights violations related to police brutality isn't enough then how much is too much? 1000? 10,000? I am just trying to understand where you draw the line. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 29, 2015 14:53:10 GMT -5
The DA has an obligation to only prosecute cases they think they can win. ================================================================ I'm not sure that this is not a true statement, and I have no real point to argue here. But it is interesting to note that there were at least 100 cases that the DA chose not to prosecute, thatt in civil cases netted the plaintiffs in excess of five million dollars. Very simple answer. The burden of proof for civil cases is much less than criminal cases. This sort of stuff happens all the time. Winston wasnt charged but he will be getting sued. I didn't. My point wouldn't change if it were a 100 a year. How many "crimes" by citizens do DAs choose not to prosecute? The DA has an obligation to only prosecute cases they think they can win. How much police brutality is ok before something should be done on an institutional level? If 100 instances of a jury or judge taking in evidence and finding civil rights violations related to police brutality isn't enough then how much is too much? 1000? 10,000? I am just trying to understand where you draw the line. One is too many. In a perfect world . . . blah, blah, blah. All that goes without saying. Of course we should always try to improve. Like I said, as long as human beings walk this earth there will be bad people. Bad cops, bad lawyers, bad teachers, bad doctors, etc. You will never eradicate the bad actors. Only thing we can do is hold them accountable and that is what is being done in this case. I am going to wait for the full autopsy report before I sharpen my pitchfork but if it is proven that they did something to injure that man they will be held accountable. Law enforcement is near the bottom of the list of things that is wrong with Baltimore and this country for that matter. Infinitely more people have benefited from law enforcement than have been harmed by it. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 29, 2015 15:09:24 GMT -5
Like most people I was too. Then she opened her mouth and said she did it because she did not want her son to wind up dead, to get a call that he was another "victim of the police" or something along those lines. Had she kept the narrative consistent with her actions, that her kid was acting like a thuggish asshole, my impression would not have changed. But... Agreed. It seems her reasoning was "don't do it, so you don't wind up dead" rather than "don't do it because its not the right thing to do" Yeah, cause it's not like she didn't have any valid concerns for his wellbeing, seeing as how the protests were started over a black man being killed over nothing. |
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 29, 2015 18:03:36 GMT -5
Agreed. It seems her reasoning was "don't do it, so you don't wind up dead" rather than "don't do it because its not the right thing to do" Yeah, cause it's not like she didn't have any valid concerns for his wellbeing, seeing as how the protests were started over a black man being killed over nothing. You consistently do this. Her motivation for doing it AS A PARENT is to ensure that her child ACTS RESPONSIBLY so as to lessen the chance of attracting whatever police interaction may cause her kid to become dead. In other words, don't act like a thug, jerkoff or otherwise shitty human being that breaks the law and DRAWS THE ATTENTION of the police. THAT is what needs to be addressed first and foremost in these communities, unless you feel this kind of behavior is simply endemic and unavoidable given reason X of the long list of "how can we help these people" quatrain that's been sung since the '60s. Which I suspect you do, so I will gently bow out of this conversation as yours is an impossible position to reason with. |
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 29, 2015 19:18:59 GMT -5
Yeah, cause it's not like she didn't have any valid concerns for his wellbeing, seeing as how the protests were started over a black man being killed over nothing. You consistently do this. Her motivation for doing it AS A PARENT is to ensure that her child ACTS RESPONSIBLY so as to lessen the chance of attracting whatever police interaction may cause her kid to become dead. In other words, don't act like a thug, jerkoff or otherwise shitty human being that breaks the law and DRAWS THE ATTENTION of the police. THAT is what needs to be addressed first and foremost in these communities, unless you feel this kind of behavior is simply endemic and unavoidable given reason X of the long list of "how can we help these people" quatrain that's been sung since the '60s. Which I suspect you do, so I will gently bow out of this conversation as yours is an impossible position to reason with. No i like it when you two cat fight. Keep it going |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 19:21:42 GMT -5
Two words, stick bombs and grenades.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 29, 2015 19:25:26 GMT -5
Yeah, cause it's not like she didn't have any valid concerns for his wellbeing, seeing as how the protests were started over a black man being killed over nothing. You consistently do this. Her motivation for doing it AS A PARENT is to ensure that her child ACTS RESPONSIBLY so as to lessen the chance of attracting whatever police interaction may cause her kid to become dead. In other words, don't act like a thug, jerkoff or otherwise shitty human being that breaks the law and DRAWS THE ATTENTION of the police. THAT is what needs to be addressed first and foremost in these communities, unless you feel this kind of behavior is simply endemic and unavoidable given reason X of the long list of "how can we help these people" quatrain that's been sung since the '60s. Which I suspect you do, so I will gently bow out of this conversation as yours is an impossible position to reason with. You don't have to act like a "thug" to be killed by a cop, All it takes is standing around minding your own business, like Fredie Gray. He did abssolutely NOTHING to attract their attention and their silence on the issue and inability to invent a story to blame the victim for his own death (as usual) speaks volumes. Go ahead, address it first and foremost. And protesting that behavior does NOT MAKE someone a thug or acting irresponsibly. Those are some sickening assumptions on your part. How do you know she hasn't done and acted in they you deem to be the appropriate motivation for the kid's whole life. In this particular instance her advice is very wise as he is clearly risking his life by protesting, since it's possible to get killed by police with impunity, with much less provocation. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 29, 2015 19:50:40 GMT -5
You consistently do this. Her motivation for doing it AS A PARENT is to ensure that her child ACTS RESPONSIBLY so as to lessen the chance of attracting whatever police interaction may cause her kid to become dead. In other words, don't act like a thug, jerkoff or otherwise shitty human being that breaks the law and DRAWS THE ATTENTION of the police. THAT is what needs to be addressed first and foremost in these communities, unless you feel this kind of behavior is simply endemic and unavoidable given reason X of the long list of "how can we help these people" quatrain that's been sung since the '60s. Which I suspect you do, so I will gently bow out of this conversation as yours is an impossible position to reason with. You don't have to act like a "thug" to be killed by a cop, All it takes is standing around minding your own business, like Fredie Gray. He did abssolutely NOTHING to attract their attention and their silence on the issue and inability to invent a story to blame the victim for his own death (as usual) speaks volumes. Go ahead, address it first and foremost. And protesting that behavior does NOT MAKE someone a thug or acting irresponsibly. Those are some sickening assumptions on your part. All the reports I have heard say that he saw the police and began to run from them. They then found a switchblade on him. Just minding his own business, with a deadly weapon. And yes, he didn't deserve to die. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 29, 2015 20:06:30 GMT -5
You don't have to act like a "thug" to be killed by a cop, All it takes is standing around minding your own business, like Fredie Gray. He did abssolutely NOTHING to attract their attention and their silence on the issue and inability to invent a story to blame the victim for his own death (as usual) speaks volumes. Go ahead, address it first and foremost. And protesting that behavior does NOT MAKE someone a thug or acting irresponsibly. Those are some sickening assumptions on your part. All the reports I have heard say that he saw the police and began to run from them. They then found a switchblade on him. Just minding his own business, with a deadly weapon. And yes, he didn't deserve to die. Maybe he remembered he was late for an appointment. Lots of people run, without dying. It wasn't a switchblade, (although that's what the media is reporting). Check the police report which is available on the internet. |
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Post by thebigragu on Apr 29, 2015 20:22:59 GMT -5
You don't have to act like a "thug" to be killed by a cop, All it takes is standing around minding your own business, like Fredie Gray. He did abssolutely NOTHING to attract their attention and their silence on the issue and inability to invent a story to blame the victim for his own death (as usual) speaks volumes. Go ahead, address it first and foremost. And protesting that behavior does NOT MAKE someone a thug or acting irresponsibly. Those are some sickening assumptions on your part. All the reports I have heard say that he saw the police and began to run from them. They then found a switchblade on him. Just minding his own business, with a deadly weapon. And yes, he didn't deserve to die. In all fucking honesty if any of us lived in that area of Baltimore you'd be carrying at LEAST a switchblade. I always had a blackjack and a knife in my neighborhood growing up. |
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Post by rexneffect on Apr 29, 2015 20:45:53 GMT -5
You don't have to act like a "thug" to be killed by a cop, All it takes is standing around minding your own business, like Fredie Gray. He did abssolutely NOTHING to attract their attention and their silence on the issue and inability to invent a story to blame the victim for his own death (as usual) speaks volumes. Go ahead, address it first and foremost. And protesting that behavior does NOT MAKE someone a thug or acting irresponsibly. Those are some sickening assumptions on your part. All the reports I have heard say that he saw the police and began to run from them. They then found a switchblade on him. Just minding his own business, with a deadly weapon. And yes, he didn't deserve to die. There's nothing unlawful about looking at the police and running. Especially with their history of brutality in Baltimore. And hey, switchblades don't kill people. People kill people, right? |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 29, 2015 21:00:18 GMT -5
All the reports I have heard say that he saw the police and began to run from them. They then found a switchblade on him. Just minding his own business, with a deadly weapon. And yes, he didn't deserve to die. In all fucking honesty if any of us lived in that area of Baltimore you'd be carrying at LEAST a switchblade. I always had a blackjack and a knife in my neighborhood growing up. I carry a folding fishing knife on me sometimes when I walk my dog. Not sure what the law is but it is shorter than my hand. I have walked past police many times. Maybe I dont get stopped b.c I pick up my dog shit. All the reports I have heard say that he saw the police and began to run from them. They then found a switchblade on him. Just minding his own business, with a deadly weapon. And yes, he didn't deserve to die. There's nothing unlawful about looking at the police and running. Especially with their history of brutality in Baltimore. And hey, switchblades don't kill people. People kill people, right? You have gone full ret@rd with this one. Here is a good article discussing if the police have a right to stop someone that has run from them. www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/opinions/cevallos-freddie-gray-legal-issues/TL;DR ... turns out they do. It is constitutional. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 29, 2015 21:26:55 GMT -5
In all fucking honesty if any of us lived in that area of Baltimore you'd be carrying at LEAST a switchblade. I always had a blackjack and a knife in my neighborhood growing up. I carry a folding fishing knife on me sometimes when I walk my dog. Not sure what the law is but it is shorter than my hand. I have walked past police many times. Maybe I dont get stopped b.c I pick up my dog shit. There's nothing unlawful about looking at the police and running. Especially with their history of brutality in Baltimore. And hey, switchblades don't kill people. People kill people, right? You have gone full ret@rd with this one. Here is a good article discussing if the police have a right to stop someone that has run from them. www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/opinions/cevallos-freddie-gray-legal-issues/TL;DR ... turns out they do. It is constitutional. He didn't run "from" them. They didn't apprehend him or say anything to him. Like he said it's not unlawful to run just because police are in the vicinity. |
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Post by PK on Apr 30, 2015 9:59:33 GMT -5
"Not unlawful to run from the police"...
Perhaps not. But fucking stupid to do it. Why? Ummm...because the cops will chase you, duh.
I won't yell "n*gger" in a black neighborhood. It's legal for me to do so...but would you feel bad for me when I got beat up, shot and killed for it?
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 30, 2015 10:18:38 GMT -5
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