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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jul 25, 2015 18:01:16 GMT -5
I think you missed the question I answered the question in post #2 of the thread. Cool! We're going to the AFC CG next Jamuary and the following year! Heck we'll probably go to the SB next year. Can't wait!
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Post by Lithfan on Jul 25, 2015 18:11:14 GMT -5
Last 3 times we have changed coaches, we have made the playoffs. Time to make it 4 -- though it may hinge on what Geiley & Bowles can get out of the QB position. Agreed. This roster is so much more talented than the 09-10 teams aswell. Throw in Bowles whose brought a new air of optimism and I don't see a reason other than QB why we can't be successful this year. Not sure I would say we are more talented now. We are better in some spots, but not as good in others. O Line and RB were much better in 09/10. Best OL in the game and a backfield of Jones, Greene and Washington is better than Ivory. Powell, Stacy/Ridley.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jul 25, 2015 20:05:08 GMT -5
Agreed. This roster is so much more talented than the 09-10 teams aswell. Throw in Bowles whose brought a new air of optimism and I don't see a reason other than QB why we can't be successful this year. Not sure I would say we are more talented now. We are better in some spots, but not as good in others. O Line and RB were much better in 09/10. Best OL in the game and a backfield of Jones, Greene and Washington is better than Ivory. Powell, Stacy/Ridley. If the roster is so much more talented, and both those teams went to the AFCCG, then it sounds like somebody was doing something right, and the least we should expect is two trips to the SB if not wins
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Post by Lithfan on Jul 25, 2015 20:27:49 GMT -5
Not sure I would say we are more talented now. We are better in some spots, but not as good in others. O Line and RB were much better in 09/10. Best OL in the game and a backfield of Jones, Greene and Washington is better than Ivory. Powell, Stacy/Ridley. If the roster is so much more talented, and both those teams went to the AFCCG, then it sounds like somebody was doing something right, and the least we should expect is two trips to the SB if not wins I did not say the roster is more talented now -- different strengths and weaknesses. And, I pointed out two areas where the roster was better in 09 & 10. Not realistic to expect an AFCCG coming off a 4-12 season. They will be better this year, but the 09 team was coming off of 9-7 season -- the foundation was in place. This year, Macc needed to rebuild the foundation.
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Post by JB1089 on Jul 25, 2015 20:30:16 GMT -5
I expect anywhere from a 7 - 9 to a 9 - 7 record this coming season. I cannot discount catching lighting in a bottle, and getting a Wild Card berth. However, without sounding like a broken record, this team will go as far as it's QB takes it. It Geno falls on his face, he's done. I don't think Fitz is the answer but will be a steady backup for someone. I'm cautiously optimistic that Petty can develop into a starter. Bottom line, this team needs a QB, when that happens, it will be a team to be reckoned with. That being said, every team has a window, wait too long to get a real QB and other parts of the team which are now strong will need attention. The clock is already ticking on the O-line. It's been ages since we've had to worry about the 2 most important positions on the line, I don't know how much longer that's going to last.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jul 25, 2015 20:39:31 GMT -5
If the roster is so much more talented, and both those teams went to the AFCCG, then it sounds like somebody was doing something right, and the least we should expect is two trips to the SB if not wins I did not say the roster is more talented now -- different strengths and weaknesses. And, I pointed out two areas where the roster was better in 09 & 10. Not realistic to expect an AFCCG coming off a 4-12 season. They will be better this year, but the 09 team was coming off of 9-7 season -- the foundation was in place. This year, Macc needed to rebuild the foundation. I know, it was the previous poster that said it, I was agreeing with you, and elaborating on the point.
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Post by Lithfan on Jul 25, 2015 20:48:19 GMT -5
I did not say the roster is more talented now -- different strengths and weaknesses. And, I pointed out two areas where the roster was better in 09 & 10. Not realistic to expect an AFCCG coming off a 4-12 season. They will be better this year, but the 09 team was coming off of 9-7 season -- the foundation was in place. This year, Macc needed to rebuild the foundation. I know, it was the previous poster that said it, I was agreeing with you, and elaborating on the point. Sorry - I was confused. That seems to happen a lot.
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Post by Harrier on Jul 26, 2015 5:34:28 GMT -5
Agreed. This roster is so much more talented than the 09-10 teams aswell. Throw in Bowles whose brought a new air of optimism and I don't see a reason other than QB why we can't be successful this year. Not sure I would say we are more talented now. We are better in some spots, but not as good in others. O Line and RB were much better in 09/10. Best OL in the game and a backfield of Jones, Greene and Washington is better than Ivory. Powell, Stacy/Ridley. I just feel this team has more overall talent, you're right that the oline and RB situation was much better in 09-10 This team is far better at WR, defensive line, and safety IMO. The problem with those 09-10 teams is they relied completely on coverage and had zero pass rush with Pouha, Devito etc and eventually it caught up with them.
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Post by Harrier on Jul 26, 2015 5:52:52 GMT -5
I answered the question in post #2 of the thread. Cool! We're going to the AFC CG next Jamuary and the following year! Heck we'll probably go to the SB next year. Can't wait! Atta girl, that's the spirit. It's simple, Bowles can emulate the 09-10 teams if the QB can play at a mediocre level and not turn the ball over at the rate he has been doing. If we can have a middle of the pack offense and let the defense do it's thing, there's no reason we can't be successful this year. As usual with you, a simple debate about which roster was more talented comes down to some sort of Rex Ryan accolade. In a nutshell what you're saying is that if the 09-10 roster had less talent then Rex deserves all the credit, that's fair enough he does, never had a complaint with Rex's first two seasons here. He came into a vet laden roster and motivated them and it yielded results. However over time motivation wasn't enough, the picks he contributed to stunk, the players grew tired of his ways and he proved he could do nothing other then coach defense and be a motivational speaker. I think Bowles has the potential to be a more well rounded HC, he comes in to a talented roster as Rex did, he absolutely can achieve the same success in year 1 and 2. If you want me to say it I will, Rex deserves credit and I would never take the 09-10 success away from him, my problem with Rex is everything that transpired after.
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Post by Lithfan on Jul 26, 2015 6:46:28 GMT -5
Not sure I would say we are more talented now. We are better in some spots, but not as good in others. O Line and RB were much better in 09/10. Best OL in the game and a backfield of Jones, Greene and Washington is better than Ivory. Powell, Stacy/Ridley. I just feel this team has more overall talent, you're right that the oline and RB situation was much better in 09-10 This team is far better at WR, defensive line, and safety IMO. The problem with those 09-10 teams is they relied completely on coverage and had zero pass rush with Pouha, Devito etc and eventually it caught up with them. This year's team probably has better overall talent on the defensive side than the 09 team. But the 09 team was better offensively -- especially after the mid season acquisition of Braylon Edwards. Too bad they had to try to win in spite of the QB. Hopefully that does not happen again this year.
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Post by Harrier on Jul 26, 2015 6:52:15 GMT -5
I just feel this team has more overall talent, you're right that the oline and RB situation was much better in 09-10 This team is far better at WR, defensive line, and safety IMO. The problem with those 09-10 teams is they relied completely on coverage and had zero pass rush with Pouha, Devito etc and eventually it caught up with them. This year's team probably has better overall talent on the defensive side than the 09 team. But the 09 team was better offensively -- especially after the mid season acquisition of Braylon Edwards. Too bad they had to try to win in spite of the QB. Hopefully that does not happen again this year. I like Braylon as much as the next man, but I can't remember the last time the Jets had a guy like Marshall, he's in a different class to Braylon and Holmes. Brays numbers where solid but he was overrated by Jet fans. Marshall is a legit #1 who could put up 1200 without blinking an eye. Honestly think Marshall and Decker are better than the flight boys.
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Post by southparkcpa on Jul 26, 2015 6:52:54 GMT -5
So I read the thread quickly and my mind went to Richard Todd and I almost lost my lunch.
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Post by Lithfan on Jul 26, 2015 6:57:52 GMT -5
This year's team probably has better overall talent on the defensive side than the 09 team. But the 09 team was better offensively -- especially after the mid season acquisition of Braylon Edwards. Too bad they had to try to win in spite of the QB. Hopefully that does not happen again this year. I like Braylon as much as the next man, but I can't remember the last time the Jets had a guy like Marshall, he's in a different class to Braylon and Holmes. Brays numbers where solid but he was overrated by Jet fans. Marshall is a legit #1 who could put up 1200 without blinking an eye. Honestly think Marshall and Decker are better than the flight boys. I agree with you. Our WRs are better and deeper this year. Especially if Devin Smith turns out to be a good pick. But I still think the biggest question on this team (outside of QB which has been a question for about 10 years) is OL which was a strength of that 09 team and, in my opinion, made the 09 team better offensively. The beauty of this debate right now is we are only days away from beginning to see how it plays out on the field.
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Post by Harrier on Jul 26, 2015 7:33:30 GMT -5
I like Braylon as much as the next man, but I can't remember the last time the Jets had a guy like Marshall, he's in a different class to Braylon and Holmes. Brays numbers where solid but he was overrated by Jet fans. Marshall is a legit #1 who could put up 1200 without blinking an eye. Honestly think Marshall and Decker are better than the flight boys. I agree with you. Our WRs are better and deeper this year. Especially if Devin Smith turns out to be a good pick. But I still think the biggest question on this team (outside of QB which has been a question for about 10 years) is OL which was a strength of that 09 team and, in my opinion, made the 09 team better offensively. The beauty of this debate right now is we are only days away from beginning to see how it plays out on the field. I think we agree on both points, skill positions are better now then 09-10, but you're right it all starts upfront. 09-10 was probably a better offense because of that line and running game. That said, the offense in 09-10 was never explosive, it was a true G&P offense with a rookie QB. It struggled to score points and could not stretch the field consistently other than a couple of deep hits to Braylon. This offense has playmakers and game changers. I like the way Bowles explained he wanted a balanced attack from day one, hopefully we can score points easier and stretch the field more this year. I might cop some shit for this but fuck it, I truly believe Geno is a more natural thrower than Sanchez, he's got a better arm and is mobile. If you stick Geno behind that 09 line and running game, he could have nursed that team the way Sanchez did. Geno has done more with the trash supporting him then Sanchez did with roughly the same supporting talent level in 12.
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Post by cgjet on Jul 26, 2015 9:00:47 GMT -5
I expect anywhere from a 7 - 9 to a 9 - 7 record this coming season. I cannot discount catching lighting in a bottle, and getting a Wild Card berth. However, without sounding like a broken record, this team will go as far as it's QB takes it. It Geno falls on his face, he's done. I don't think Fitz is the answer but will be a steady backup for someone. I'm cautiously optimistic that Petty can develop into a starter. Bottom line, this team needs a QB, when that happens, it will be a team to be reckoned with. That being said, every team has a window, wait too long to get a real QB and other parts of the team which are now strong will need attention. The clock is already ticking on the O-line. It's been ages since we've had to worry about the 2 most important positions on the line, I don't know how much longer that's going to last. Correct, as much as everyone loves Nick and Brick, they're not getting any younger, and those as you know are the two key positions on the O-Line.
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