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Post by nyjets1969 on Sept 29, 2015 9:39:27 GMT -5
In a month there will be another thread to start Fitz or Bryce Petty. Last year everyone on this board saw the real Geno with his 4 picks and wanted matt Simms to start. I hope Geno gets another chance so the fan base will understand that Geno is a head case that will never be a starting QB. Im not big fan of Fitz got a weak arm which cost the Jets the game. Here's the big thing he doesn't make dumb throws that turn into 6 pts for the other team. If Geno was playing half those miss WRS would have still happen with several poor throws turning into 6 picks. If Geno started the Jets are 1-2 not 2-1. I think thats what this fan base needs another year of Geno to understand that the QB position is the #1 priority next season even if it means trading all of next year's draft picks. By the way Fitz didn't have Chris Ivory or Decker so Marshall was double teamed the whole game which brings me to one last point this offense has no weapons outside of Ivory Marshall and Decker. Maybe the fan base should understand that no matter how good the defense is you are not winning without weapons and a QB. For the last 6 years that's all this team has done is spent all the first rounders on defense. So let Geno start to prove what I said in this post that until the Jets find a QB and invest in weapons in the first round they are doomed to mediocrity. People want to see Geno in this offense with these weapons, not what he did when he had David Nelson and Greg Salas. Last year Geno had Percy Harvin Decker and Ivory the Jets added Marshall SUBTRACTED Harvin not much of a difference than last year face it Geno sucks. I said we need to fix the QB position Geno isn't the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 9:47:52 GMT -5
JETS offense is what it is - unable to overcome a 2 TO differential, even with that defense. Too much pressure for #14.
EDIT I have a question - do you reach for OG help and leave Fitz there; or ... what other choice is there, besides Gno
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Post by nyjets1969 on Sept 29, 2015 9:49:05 GMT -5
Also Percy Harvin doing pretty good in Buffalo with Tyrod Taylor as a down field threat. Last year he was ineffective with Geno's big arm, I think this shows that Geno isn't working as a QB.
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Post by Harrier on Sept 29, 2015 10:01:01 GMT -5
People want to see Geno in this offense with these weapons, not what he did when he had David Nelson and Greg Salas. Last year Geno had Percy Harvin Decker and Ivory the Jets added Marshall SUBTRACTED Harvin not much of a difference than last year face it Geno sucks. I said we need to fix the QB position Geno isn't the answer. Maybe Geno isn't the answer, but I can tell you who also 100% is not the answer.....Ryan Fitzfuckinnoodle. Give me a fuckin break with last years comparisons, there's plenty of differences. Marshall is a true #1 on 3rd downs and in the redzone, he also draws double coverages giving others one on one matchups. A true #1 changed everything, Harvin should not be mentioned in the same breath as Marshall. Gailey's spread offense is also comparable to what Geno ran at WV, he is better suited to this offense than MM West coast shit. Devin Smith. Decker was never heathy last year. We had a Rex Ryan coached defense that could not turn the ball over and put the offense in good spots, let's see Geno with a short field for a change. Geno may not be the answer, but he's younger, we drafted him and he has an arm and leg you have to respect. Let's see him in an offense that suits him with a true #1
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Post by DowNY on Sept 29, 2015 12:09:49 GMT -5
Also Percy Harvin doing pretty good in Buffalo with Tyrod Taylor as a down field threat. Last year he was ineffective with Geno's big arm, I think this shows that Geno isn't working as a QB. Defenses are still figuring Tyrod out. He'll soon be hated in Buffalo just like people here dislikes Geno. It's a revolving circle. 3 weeks in & he's supposedly Buffalo's savior? Give me a break. Also, Bradon Marshall > Percy Harvin by a big margin. You must be on crack to think otherwise.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Sept 29, 2015 12:45:51 GMT -5
Gee-no is NOT the answer and neither is Fitzthebed. Keeping in mind that most people have us at 8-8 and if we drop a couple more games, prepare to see Gee-no to see if he shits the bed any differently.
JMHO
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Post by Paradis on Sept 29, 2015 13:03:56 GMT -5
Look guy, you were wrong and since it's the Internet I don't expect you to admit it, but let's not complicate things by making more "points" and confusing yourself further, K? I mean really, we are going to start using W-L records now? Seriously? And why is it significant who was on the field for Geno but not for Fitzpatrick? Let's try and be consistent with our arguments here, sweetie. Dummy version of my position: Geno isn't good. Fitz isn't good, but he's better than Geno at the moment. Youth or arm strength doesn't mean Geno will be better. If coaches go with Geno, I'll be just as 'meh' as I am with Fitzpatrick. You aren't particularly good at making points. I am and it vexes the shit out of you. You're being a dickhead and I'm reciprocating. Welcome to Teh Hampur. People want to see Geno in this offense with these weapons, not what he did when he had David Nelson and Greg Sala The root of our disagreement, is that you're actually under some kind of spell - thinking Fitz is "OK" or at least the lesser of two evils... which is ridiculous. --He is not a game manager. He is a well chronicled, well established loser. Nice guy, smart, and a decent role model. But he's been hard fast loser for the last 6 years. There was a window in 2008-2009 when he peaked, in his mid 20s... he's now 32 years old, no arm, and a turn over machine.What's refutable about that? WHAT?? --There's at least SOME mystery left with Geno... not much, but some. There's ZERO left in Fitz' game. None. Zilch. He's terrible. Not even a game manager. He's a career back up. Alex Smith is a game manager. Andy Dalton is a game manager. Fitz is a back up with a terrible record stretching back to 2005. We need to put the Geno argument to bed. End of story. He has to be seen this year. Fitz's story ended half a decade ago. You don't want Geno starting 4 games at the end of the year and looking good. That's a fucking mess no one wants to deal with.
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Post by Touchable on Sept 29, 2015 13:20:12 GMT -5
We're going to leave a shitload of big plays on the field as long as Fitz is behind center.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Sept 29, 2015 13:23:06 GMT -5
We're going to leave a shitload of big plays on the field as long as Fitz is behind center. Marshall was held on the play... shudda been pass interference. Geno wudda thrown a pick on same play...
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Post by yankeejet22 on Sept 29, 2015 13:34:19 GMT -5
Bing, c'mon man. If you want a legitimate message board....
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Post by Jetworks on Sept 29, 2015 14:50:35 GMT -5
But Fitzpatrick was at a disadvantage without Ivory and Decker, yet gets no slack for that. I think that argument is shortsighted. Fitz should get slack for not having Decker and Ivory, but Geno was throwing to Greg Salas and David Fucking Nelson for stretches last year but no, no slack for him? Look guy, you were wrong and since it's the Internet I don't expect you to admit it, but let's not complicate things by making more "points" and confusing yourself further, K? I mean really, we are going to start using W-L records now? Seriously? And why is it significant who was on the field for Geno but not for Fitzpatrick? Let's try and be consistent with our arguments here, sweetie. Dummy version of my position: Geno isn't good. Fitz isn't good, but he's better than Geno at the moment. Youth or arm strength doesn't mean Geno will be better. If coaches go with Geno, I'll be just as 'meh' as I am with Fitzpatrick. You aren't particularly good at making points. I am and it vexes the shit out of you. You're being a dickhead and I'm reciprocating. Welcome to Teh Hampur. I totally get this, and it's not necessarily an unfair assumption that he may do better. But Fitzpatrick was at a disadvantage without Ivory and Decker, yet gets no slack for that. Would Geno have done better, who knows? My guess is we are going to find out pretty soon because Fitzpatrick isn't the answer and is likely playing with a short rope as it is. Not to sure why you think Fitz is gettin no slack, as others have mentioned, it's an anti-Geno fest over at JN and there's a fair few here still not wanting Geno to start. I think the reaction has been quite relaxed to be honest, can you imagine if Geno had thrown 3 picks in that game? especially the one just after we had turned the ball over. The turnovers are not really my issue with Fitz, it's about how defences play him, no one respects his arm and he can't keep a defense honest. We have to see what Geno can do with these weapons once and for all. Hmmm, since both of you pointed it out I must've done a poor job stating what I meant. I was trying to say that while you guys were stating you wanted to see what Geno could do without the likes of Salas and Nelson (and presumably with Marshall et al), why was it not also okay to point out that Fitzpatrick was without two key weapons? Basically, I was agreeing with you. No worries, it's all pretty much a moot point as I don't believe either is the answer. Paradis, I suppose you're right about that part, I do think Fitzpatrick is serviceable. If anyone is under a spell, however, it's those who feel that there's some magical unknown quality that lurks beneath the surface of Geno Smith, needing only the addition of stage props like Brandon Marshall. Apparently, you fall into that camp. I don't see it, but I liked Mark Sanchez too, so... Bing, c'mon man. If you want a legitimate message board.... Wha? The back and forth too much for you? Perhaps you'd prefer the comatose posting found over at Scout? Seriously, no big deal here; besides there's actually football discussion going on!!!
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Post by Harrier on Sept 29, 2015 15:03:17 GMT -5
I think that argument is shortsighted. Fitz should get slack for not having Decker and Ivory, but Geno was throwing to Greg Salas and David Fucking Nelson for stretches last year but no, no slack for him? Not to sure why you think Fitz is gettin no slack, as others have mentioned, it's an anti-Geno fest over at JN and there's a fair few here still not wanting Geno to start. I think the reaction has been quite relaxed to be honest, can you imagine if Geno had thrown 3 picks in that game? especially the one just after we had turned the ball over. The turnovers are not really my issue with Fitz, it's about how defences play him, no one respects his arm and he can't keep a defense honest. We have to see what Geno can do with these weapons once and for all. Hmmm, since both of you pointed it out I must've done a poor job stating what I meant. I was trying to say that while you guys were stating you wanted to see what Geno could do without the likes of Salas and Nelson (and presumably with Marshall et al), why was it not also okay to point out that Fitzpatrick was without two key weapons? Basically, I was agreeing with you. No worries, it's all pretty much a moot point as I don't believe either is the answer. Paradis, I suppose you're right about that part, I do think Fitzpatrick is serviceable. If anyone is under a spell, however, it's those who feel that there's some magical unknown quality that lurks beneath the surface of Geno Smith, needing only the addition of stage props like Brandon Marshall. Apparently, you fall into that camp. I don't see it, but I liked Mark Sanchez too, so... Bing, c'mon man. If you want a legitimate message board.... Wha? The back and forth too much for you? Perhaps you'd prefer the comatose posting found over at Scout? Seriously, no big deal here; besides there's actually football discussion going on!!! I understand your points Works I really do, I don't think either of these QB's are anyone's ideal situation. I'm just leanin towards seeing more of young guy we drafted than a journeyman whose arm is shot. I like Fitz as a leader, he seems a decent guy. I just think Genos arm and legs might make defences play us a lot different. I also think we have to finally settle this Geno issue before the offseason, Fitz is gone regardless.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Sept 29, 2015 15:05:15 GMT -5
We're going to leave a shitload of big plays on the field as long as Fitz is behind center. I think that's the one Marshall kvetched to the official about, and nada. Yeah, like the NFL wasn't trying to resuscitate Chirp Kelly's career
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Post by funaz on Sept 29, 2015 15:45:44 GMT -5
But Fitzpatrick was at a disadvantage without Ivory and Decker, yet gets no slack for that. I think that argument is shortsighted. Fitz should get slack for not having Decker and Ivory, but Geno was throwing to Greg Salas and David Fucking Nelson for stretches last year but no, no slack for him? Yeah but Geno didn't look good when throwing to Decker and Harvin either. It wasn't the weapons with Geno, it was Geno.
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Post by Hotman on Sept 29, 2015 16:44:23 GMT -5
I totally get this, and it's not necessarily an unfair assumption that he may do better. But Fitzpatrick was at a disadvantage without Ivory and Decker, yet gets no slack for that. Would Geno have done better, who knows? My guess is we are going to find out pretty soon because Fitzpatrick isn't the answer and is likely playing with a short rope as it is. I think that argument is shortsighted. Fitz should get slack for not having Decker and Ivory, but Geno was throwing to Greg Salas and David Fucking Nelson for stretches last year but no, no slack for him? I think the thought is, he can at least hit a deep ball and could be a threat to take off for good chunks of yards. possibly.
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