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Post by carlito1171 on Sept 29, 2015 17:59:35 GMT -5
I think that argument is shortsighted. Fitz should get slack for not having Decker and Ivory, but Geno was throwing to Greg Salas and David Fucking Nelson for stretches last year but no, no slack for him? Yeah but Geno didn't look good when throwing to Decker and Harvin either. It wasn't the weapons with Geno, it was Geno. Really don't know why I'm wasting my time defending Geno..I think a lot of you have the people who want to see Geno go back out there confused. I don't have ANY EXPECTATIONS of Geno becoming a full time starter let alone an above average signal caller....but some of you(mainly you Funaz) have an agenda and I just have to make things fair. Decker's hammy lingered damn near the whole season. Harvin obviously had to adjust to a new situation and needed a few weeks to be caught up to speed. Once Harvin had a few games under him and Decker got healthy, Geno played much better. It's really that simple. Look at the last couple of games. The cat is out of the bag with Fitz. The tape is out there and it's only going to get harder to play offense the more we go along. We have two turnover prone liabilities at QB. Why would you play the vet who has limitations and is prone to turnovers when you are still trying to solve your franchise QB question? Play the 24 year old and see what you have in him, once and for all. God Damn it's like you let your bias cloud your fucking brain cells from functioning properly. You don't throw a QB in the garbage after 2 seasons I don't care who he is or how he played to date. Give him one final audition with a situation more conducive to winning so that you can move on with or without him next season. End the experiment once and for all....
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Post by carlito1171 on Sept 29, 2015 18:08:36 GMT -5
Hmmm, since both of you pointed it out I must've done a poor job stating what I meant. I was trying to say that while you guys were stating you wanted to see what Geno could do without the likes of Salas and Nelson (and presumably with Marshall et al), why was it not also okay to point out that Fitzpatrick was without two key weapons? Basically, I was agreeing with you. No worries, it's all pretty much a moot point as I don't believe either is the answer. Paradis, I suppose you're right about that part, I do think Fitzpatrick is serviceable. If anyone is under a spell, however, it's those who feel that there's some magical unknown quality that lurks beneath the surface of Geno Smith, needing only the addition of stage props like Brandon Marshall. Apparently, you fall into that camp. I don't see it, but I liked Mark Sanchez too, so.. No I get your point Jetworks. As far as Fitz goes, yes that's fair. That's why he will be the starter in London. You don't pull a guy after one bad outing, and even if Bowles was thinking about making a change right this minute, Geno still needs to play catchup and will need a few more weeks of practice before he is ready to start if called upon. I am merely thinking 2 steps ahead in regards to how Defenses will play our O. I see constant 8-9 in the box making our running game null and void, and these DBs will continue to sit on these intermediate routes as long as the QB is not a threat to complete a pass deep. I think turning back to Geno is inevitable for that reason. Geno can loosen the D with his legs and can get the ball out there. As I said above you have answer the question once and for all. The answer is probably no but there's only one way to find out(and yea I really don't think, "he's always going to suck there's no point in seeing him again" is a proper answer.)
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Post by yankeejet22 on Sept 29, 2015 18:43:41 GMT -5
Bing, c'mon man. If you want a legitimate message board.... Wha? The back and forth too much for you? Perhaps you'd prefer the comatose posting found over at Scout? Seriously, no big deal here; besides there's actually football discussion going on!!! No, my comment wasn't at all about the back and forth football talk... love that shit. It was about something else that's all good now.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Sept 30, 2015 8:17:41 GMT -5
I think that argument is shortsighted. Fitz should get slack for not having Decker and Ivory, but Geno was throwing to Greg Salas and David Fucking Nelson for stretches last year but no, no slack for him? Yeah but Geno didn't look good when throwing to Decker and Harvin either. It wasn't the weapons with Geno, it was Geno. Things are different enough this year to see what he can do. Just out of curiosity's sake. Who knows maybe that punch rearranged his brains and knocked some sense into him.
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Post by vin on Sept 30, 2015 10:31:32 GMT -5
Yeah but Geno didn't look good when throwing to Decker and Harvin either. It wasn't the weapons with Geno, it was Geno. Things are different enough this year to see what he can do. Just out of curiosity's sake. Who knows maybe that punch rearranged his brains and knocked some sense into him. And maybe the Patsies stop cheating.....
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Oct 2, 2015 9:52:24 GMT -5
Fitz through First 3 games of the season: 72/116 62% 706yds 6td 5int 7rushes for 18yds 0fumbles
Geno through First 3 games last season: 65/103 63% 713yds 3td 4int 20rushes for 84yds 1fumble
Not sure where I see the Jets are far better off with Fitz. Personally, I'd like to see what Geno looks like with Gailey calling the plays and throwing the ball to Marshall and Decker behind a slightly better O-line.
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Post by jetfrantik on Oct 2, 2015 10:17:00 GMT -5
Fitz through First 3 games of the season: 72/116 62% 706yds 6td 5int 7rushes for 18yds 0fumbles Geno through First 3 games last season: 65/103 63% 713yds 3td 4int 20rushes for 84yds 1fumble Not sure where I see the Jets are far better off with Fitz. Personally, I'd like to see what Geno looks like with Gailey calling the plays and throwing the ball to Marshall and Decker behind a slightly better O-line. It's what this season is all about, coming to a theater near you.
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Post by Touchable on Oct 2, 2015 10:39:52 GMT -5
Fitz through First 3 games of the season: 72/116 62% 706yds 6td 5int 7rushes for 18yds 0fumbles Geno through First 3 games last season: 65/103 63% 713yds 3td 4int 20rushes for 84yds 1fumble Not sure where I see the Jets are far better off with Fitz. Personally, I'd like to see what Geno looks like with Gailey calling the plays and throwing the ball to Marshall and Decker behind a slightly better O-line. Exactly Half of Fitzpatrick's TD's have been lobs to Marshall who just simply out-fights everyone for the ball. We've yet to see what Geno is capable of with a true #1 like Marshall. A guy who can win those 50/50 balls 9 times out of 10. By all accounts those guys had developed a great relationship over the course of the offseason and throughout most of camp. Nor have we seen what Geno is capable of in a spread offense similar to what he ran at WVU instead of the complex west coast setup that he was horribly ill-suited for since Day 1. Marshall, Decker, Smith, Owusu, Enunwa, Kerley... Yeah, I want to see what Geno is capable of when surrounded by that group. Don't know why anyone wouldn't. If Geno fails, then oh well. That experiment is finally ended and you do what it takes to land a Jared Goff or Connor Cook and let whichever one compete with Petty next year.
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Post by carlito1171 on Oct 2, 2015 11:10:15 GMT -5
Fitz through First 3 games of the season: 72/116 62% 706yds 6td 5int 7rushes for 18yds 0fumbles Geno through First 3 games last season: 65/103 63% 713yds 3td 4int 20rushes for 84yds 1fumble Not sure where I see the Jets are far better off with Fitz. Personally, I'd like to see what Geno looks like with Gailey calling the plays and throwing the ball to Marshall and Decker behind a slightly better O-line. Exactly Half of Fitzpatrick's TD's have been lobs to Marshall who just simply out-fights everyone for the ball. We've yet to see what Geno is capable of with a true #1 like Marshall. A guy who can win those 50/50 balls 9 times out of 10. By all accounts those guys had developed a great relationship over the course of the offseason and throughout most of camp. Nor have we seen what Geno is capable of in a spread offense similar to what he ran at WVU instead of the complex west coast setup that he was horribly ill-suited for since Day 1. Marshall, Decker, Smith, Owusu, Enunwa, Kerley... Yeah, I want to see what Geno is capable of when surrounded by that group. Don't know why anyone wouldn't. If Geno fails, then oh well. That experiment is finally ended and you do what it takes to land a Jared Goff or Connor Cook and let whichever one compete with Petty next year. +1 Some people let emotions get in the way of logic.
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Post by cgjet on Oct 3, 2015 12:52:20 GMT -5
Fitz through First 3 games of the season: 72/116 62% 706yds 6td 5int 7rushes for 18yds 0fumbles Geno through First 3 games last season: 65/103 63% 713yds 3td 4int 20rushes for 84yds 1fumble Not sure where I see the Jets are far better off with Fitz. Personally, I'd like to see what Geno looks like with Gailey calling the plays and throwing the ball to Marshall and Decker behind a slightly better O-line. The first 3 games----
Fitz's 2015 record is 2 - 1
Geno's 2014 record was 1 - 2 * The win was in week #1 barely beating the Raiders. ** This was followed by losses until the victory against the Steelers on November 9, 2014.
Admittedly, the personnel on the 2015 team is a big upgrade over Geno's 2014 team.
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Post by Bing© in Buffalo Chairman on Oct 5, 2015 6:15:33 GMT -5
Funny how much better the Offense was with Ivory and Decker...
Things that make you wonder...
3-1 with the Fitz..
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Post by MDL JET on Oct 5, 2015 9:19:24 GMT -5
Funny how much better the Offense was with Ivory and Decker... Things that make you wonder... 3-1 with the Fitz.. It was a lot better with those 2 in the line up. But Fitz still leaves a lot to be desired. That Marshall throw could've been a TD if he lead him more. Then again Geno often over throws guys deep. So it's give or take. BUT you can't knock Bowles for sticking with him at this point. No he's not perfect but he's not exactly putting the defense in terrible positions(close calls, yes) and has been putting up enough points to win the game. I think Fitz just really needs to get on the same page with Smith at this point if we're rolling with him. Those two seem to be all over the place, but once that chemistry gets going we should be okay. Still, watching Fitz throw those ducks just makes me cringe.
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Post by carlito1171 on Oct 5, 2015 9:25:19 GMT -5
I still think Fitz leaves a lot to be desired in his play but at 3-1 you can't blame Bowles if he doesn't want to rock the boat right now....
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Post by nyjets1969 on Oct 5, 2015 9:41:35 GMT -5
The Jets are 3-1 under Fitz going into a bye. When was the last time the Jets were in this position going into the bye. People still on this board are not happy. I'm fine with Fitz maybe his arm sucks but he wins games doesn't throw pick sixes. Last year this team was 1-3 I rather have a weak armed 3-1 QB than a 1-3 rocket for a arm who makes stupid throws any day.
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Post by nyjets1969 on Oct 5, 2015 11:53:59 GMT -5
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