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Post by Paradis on Dec 15, 2014 14:23:06 GMT -5
There's definitely some Lee in him, and though it's en vogue right now to throw around Antonio's name (Cooper? no...) the same things that had me infatuated with Brown in the draft, attracts me to Hardy. A very natural talent at the position who's mind and body work synchronicity on the field.
btw i don't think he gets out of the top 10 in the 2nd round. Probably in consideration in late 1st.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 15, 2014 14:27:59 GMT -5
Cooper, Parker will go top 10 IMO. White and Strong will be 10-25 ish range around there. I'm not big on Coates or Montgomery - not as blue chip potential WRs. I'd have Hardy promptly a head of them.
things can and probably will change, but that's where i see it right now.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 15, 2014 16:51:21 GMT -5
Kerley will be a well paid #4 WR.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 15, 2014 17:59:49 GMT -5
Kerley will be a well paid #4 WR. I thought the same thing at first until I looked up his cap number for the next 3 seasons. 2.6M, 3.1M, 3.6M, all non-guaranteed. It's not horrible especially with the cap increases that are going to happen over the next few seasons. |
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Post by bronxvillejetsfan on Dec 15, 2014 19:10:01 GMT -5
How do you see us with the fifth pick? We're stuck at 6 unless Oakland or Washington win a game and we lose out. And i know it's early in the process, but if we're stuck at six it seems like Cooper will be gone by then.
My guess at the moment is that we end up with Parker or an OT in round 1.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 16, 2014 2:07:13 GMT -5
How do you see us with the fifth pick? We're stuck at 6 unless Oakland or Washington win a game and we lose out. And i know it's early in the process, but if we're stuck at six it seems like Cooper will be gone by then. My guess at the moment is that we end up with Parker or an OT in round 1. I would take Parker or pray we can trade back with the Browns. Then some how end up with TJ Clemmings, Melvin Gordon, and D'haquille Williams with our first 3 picks. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 16, 2014 8:13:41 GMT -5
How do you see us with the fifth pick? We're stuck at 6 unless Oakland or Washington win a game and we lose out. And i know it's early in the process, but if we're stuck at six it seems like Cooper will be gone by then. My guess at the moment is that we end up with Parker or an OT in round 1. I would take Parker or pray we can trade back with the Browns. Then some how end up with TJ Clemmings, Melvin Gordon, and D'haquille Williams with our first 3 picks. Prayer is about where I'm at with the Jets too. |
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Post by eaglenj on Dec 16, 2014 13:41:13 GMT -5
I know we have a lot of cap space, but I dont see how we could afford to resign wilkerson (who btw is NOT being traded), Harrison, and then Iupati (best guard on FA market), Moore (best safety), Cox (good CB) and sheard (excellent rush LB), that is a TON of money.
Personally Id like to have moore and sheard as my top targets, with iupati as a fall back. However, I would not spend money on perrish cox and would rather tender Harrison at a level where he can be signed elsewhere getting us a pick in return.
Lastly I think matt moore is a better short term option then hoyer.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 16, 2014 21:19:01 GMT -5
I know we have a lot of cap space, but I dont see how we could afford to resign wilkerson (who btw is NOT being traded), Harrison, and then Iupati (best guard on FA market), Moore (best safety), Cox (good CB) and sheard (excellent rush LB), that is a TON of money. Personally Id like to have moore and sheard as my top targets, with iupati as a fall back. However, I would not spend money on perrish cox and would rather tender Harrison at a level where he can be signed elsewhere getting us a pick in return. Lastly I think matt moore is a better short term option then hoyer. The Jets picked up Wilkerson's option He's under contract through the 2015 season. I personally wouldn't mind looking into a trade in the offseason or just let him play out his contract and walk if he doesn't want to take a contract in the neighborhood of $10 million a year. I think he's a fine player but personally, I think a lot of fans overrate the shit out of him. He's pretty much demonstrated that he's a 8-10 sack a year guy who is great against the run. Basically, he's another Shaun Ellis. He's not even close to being in the same league as a guy like Watt or even as much of a disruptor as guys like Matthews, Quinn, Wake, etc. Richardson should be the higher priority longterm. And there's no way that you can be paying $11-12 million a year to two interior DL, and a NT in Snacks probably making $6-8 million a year. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 16, 2014 22:41:09 GMT -5
I'd especially be in favor of trading Wilkerson or letting him walk after next year if we hire a guy like Dan Quinn as HC and he wants to transition to more of a 4-3.
Have Snacks at the nose, Sheldon at the 3-tech, and Coples bouncing back and forth between DE and DT. That's when I'd especially become open to Gregory if the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board.
Gregory, Harrison, Richardson, Coples
That has the potential to be a flatout dominant DL that can rush the shit out of the passer and still dominate against the run.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 16, 2014 23:05:25 GMT -5
I'd especially be in favor of trading Wilkerson or letting him walk after next year if we hire a guy like Dan Quinn as HC and he wants to transition to more of a 4-3. Have Snacks at the nose, Sheldon at the 3-tech, and Coples bouncing back and forth between DE and DT. That's when I'd especially become open to Gregory if the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board. Gregory, Harrison, Richardson, Coples That has the potential to be a flatout dominant DL that can rush the shit out of the passer and still dominate against the run. What type of pick do you think we could get for Wilkerson since he's not signed long term? I could see a team like Chicago wanting him really badly. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 16, 2014 23:51:18 GMT -5
I'd especially be in favor of trading Wilkerson or letting him walk after next year if we hire a guy like Dan Quinn as HC and he wants to transition to more of a 4-3. Have Snacks at the nose, Sheldon at the 3-tech, and Coples bouncing back and forth between DE and DT. That's when I'd especially become open to Gregory if the Top 2 QB's and Cooper are off the board. Gregory, Harrison, Richardson, Coples That has the potential to be a flatout dominant DL that can rush the shit out of the passer and still dominate against the run. What type of pick do you think we could get for Wilkerson since he's not signed long term? I could see a team like Chicago wanting him really badly. I think we could squeeze a 2nd round pick out of some team. At the very least a 3rd. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 17, 2014 0:03:31 GMT -5
What type of pick do you think we could get for Wilkerson since he's not signed long term? I could see a team like Chicago wanting him really badly. I think we could squeeze a 2nd round pick out of some team. At the very least a 3rd. That's what I figured, but I don't think I'd do it for less than a 1st. I mean Harvin was traded for a 1st, 7th, and 3rd in the next draft. Plus he had character concerns. Seattle then had to sign him to a big contract. Plus Wilkerson fits basically every defense so we should have a ton of teams interested. Especially if Rex gets another HC job right away. Am I crazy thinking we can get a 1st? |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 17, 2014 12:23:03 GMT -5
I think we could squeeze a 2nd round pick out of some team. At the very least a 3rd. That's what I figured, but I don't think I'd do it for less than a 1st. I mean Harvin was traded for a 1st, 7th, and 3rd in the next draft. Plus he had character concerns. Seattle then had to sign him to a big contract. Plus Wilkerson fits basically every defense so we should have a ton of teams interested. Especially if Rex gets another HC job right away. Am I crazy thinking we can get a 1st? What will keep Wilkerson's trade value down is his contract situation. He is due to be a FA after next season and right now is looking for decent to big money. If you look back at recent trades for higher profile players like Harvin and Revis, where teams gave up high picks and paid big money, they haven't exactly worked out very well for the teams trading for that player. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 17, 2014 15:54:03 GMT -5
That's what I figured, but I don't think I'd do it for less than a 1st. I mean Harvin was traded for a 1st, 7th, and 3rd in the next draft. Plus he had character concerns. Seattle then had to sign him to a big contract. Plus Wilkerson fits basically every defense so we should have a ton of teams interested. Especially if Rex gets another HC job right away. Am I crazy thinking we can get a 1st? What will keep Wilkerson's trade value down is his contract situation. He is due to be a FA after next season and right now is looking for decent to big money. If you look back at recent trades for higher profile players like Harvin and Revis, where teams gave up high picks and paid big money, they haven't exactly worked out very well for the teams trading for that player. I think you could still get a team to bite for decent value. Both the Raiders and Jags are in dire need of DL help. If I'm the Raiders, I'd rather have Wilkerson and Amari Cooper over Leonard Williams and a 2nd/3rd tier receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round. |
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