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Post by Bavarian on Jan 1, 2015 11:20:22 GMT -5
Pretty much all his thoughts about the govs Governments not giving up power willingly is pretty much a given no? Not exactly insightful. Few leaders are like Washington and the founding fathers that were looking to limit the government's power even their own. It would take a governmental renaissance with those kinds of personalities to revert the power to the people where it truly belongs. Ron Paul was one of those guys IMO and the establishment squashed him as often as possible. As for the "government controls the media" nonsense the definitely have an influence but there are enough counter viewpoints available in America today to make the lack of knowledge willful rather than imposed. Most people just don't care enough to look into the details unless it is to see photoshopped pics of Kim Karsasian's ass or honey boo boo. Some good reading:
www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/fbi-busted-falsely-blaming-north-korea-sony-hack.html
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 1, 2015 11:33:01 GMT -5
Trades, the guy called the 9/11 scumbags "alleged terrorists". Tells you all you need to know. Don't let him troll you anymore. And you couldn't provide a shred of evidence to the contrary. I think you're the one who should be discredited. I'm not trolling, simply replying with an opinion. I know you have to link a negative to me since you don't agree with what I say. Sad for you.
For the record, I never entertained that thought until this past calendar year. The evidence is out there - the 9/11 Commission cannot be defended as it's been debunked in every detail. All you have to do is look. But Americans such as myself until recently are programmed to not only place our heads in the sand but to instinctively attack anyone who dares question the narrative that somehow defines us as Americans. You're either with us or against us.
Beyond that, it's genius what the govt has done to dumb-down the populous. 54-58% of annual discretionary spending goes to defense when we have never been attacked by a country in our history while a meagher 4-8% is spent on education. Keeps us stupid.
I'd be glad to get into a healthy debate with you on the merits of 9/11 but I don't think you're big enough to handle it nor are most Americans. The world is laughing at us for believing this fairy tale. No self-respecting (or not employed by govt) physicist, architect, engineer believes this ridiculous tale. I did for 12 years. Two laws of physics were violated and the melting of steel beams magically took place from jet fuel/kerosene of which most was dissipated upon impact. I think everyone owes to themselves to at least look at the websites devoted to this event sponsored by the firemen (firefightersfor911truth.org) many who were at the scene, architects (aefor911truth.org) to at least hear their side of the story and ask yourself why their numbers and other organizations continue to grow.
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Post by Trades on Jan 1, 2015 11:42:42 GMT -5
Trades, the guy called the 9/11 scumbags "alleged terrorists". Tells you all you need to know. Don't let him troll you anymore. And you couldn't provide a shred of evidence to the contrary. I think you're the one who should be discredited. I'm not trolling, simply replying with an opinion. I know you have to link a negative to me since you don't agree with what I do. Sad for you.
For the record, I never entertained that thought until this past calendar year. The evidence is out there - the 9/11 Commission cannot be defended as it's been debunked in every detail. All you have to do is look. But Americans such as myself until recently are programmed to not only place our heads in the sand but to instinctively attack anyone who dares question the narrative that somehow defines us as Americans. You're either with us or against us.
Beyond that, it's genius what the govt has done to dumb-down the populous. 54-58% of annual discretionary spending goes to defense when we have never been attacked by a country in our history while a meagher 4-8% is spent on education. Keeps us stupid.
I'd be glad to get into a healthy debate with you on the merits of 9/11 but I don't think you're big enough to handle it nor are most Americans. The world is laughing at us for believing this fairy tale. No self-respecting (or not employed by govt) physicist, architect, engineer believes this ridiculous tale. I did for 12 years. Two laws of physics were violated and the melting of steel beams magically took place from jet fuel/kerosene of which most was dissipated upon impact. I think everyone owes to themselves to at least look at the websites devoted to this event sponsored by the firemen (firefightersfor911truth.org) many who were at the scene, architects (aefor911truth.org) to at least hear their side of the story and ask yourself why these numbers continue to grow.
OK Rosie "we have never been attacked by a country in our history" War of 1812? Pearl Harbor? |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 1, 2015 11:46:01 GMT -5
And you couldn't provide a shred of evidence to the contrary. I think you're the one who should be discredited. I'm not trolling, simply replying with an opinion. I know you have to link a negative to me since you don't agree with what I do. Sad for you.
For the record, I never entertained that thought until this past calendar year. The evidence is out there - the 9/11 Commission cannot be defended as it's been debunked in every detail. All you have to do is look. But Americans such as myself until recently are programmed to not only place our heads in the sand but to instinctively attack anyone who dares question the narrative that somehow defines us as Americans. You're either with us or against us.
Beyond that, it's genius what the govt has done to dumb-down the populous. 54-58% of annual discretionary spending goes to defense when we have never been attacked by a country in our history while a meagher 4-8% is spent on education. Keeps us stupid.
I'd be glad to get into a healthy debate with you on the merits of 9/11 but I don't think you're big enough to handle it nor are most Americans. The world is laughing at us for believing this fairy tale. No self-respecting (or not employed by govt) physicist, architect, engineer believes this ridiculous tale. I did for 12 years. Two laws of physics were violated and the melting of steel beams magically took place from jet fuel/kerosene of which most was dissipated upon impact. I think everyone owes to themselves to at least look at the websites devoted to this event sponsored by the firemen (firefightersfor911truth.org) many who were at the scene, architects (aefor911truth.org) to at least hear their side of the story and ask yourself why these numbers continue to grow.
OK Rosie "we have never been attacked by a country in our history" War of 1812? Pearl Harbor? 1812 justifies 58% defense spending when we have unemployment through the roof, rampant immigration failures, and 4-8% education spending? Nice try.
Pearl Harbor was a false flag effort. If you're not aware of this since the release of records, you need to look. Every historian knows this.
Seriously, you folks need to get out of your history books from grade school and learn the truth. It's all out there. Challenge yourself to look.
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 1, 2015 11:46:11 GMT -5
And you couldn't provide a shred of evidence to the contrary. I think you're the one who should be discredited. I'm not trolling, simply replying with an opinion. I know you have to link a negative to me since you don't agree with what I do. Sad for you.
For the record, I never entertained that thought until this past calendar year. The evidence is out there - the 9/11 Commission cannot be defended as it's been debunked in every detail. All you have to do is look. But Americans such as myself until recently are programmed to not only place our heads in the sand but to instinctively attack anyone who dares question the narrative that somehow defines us as Americans. You're either with us or against us.
Beyond that, it's genius what the govt has done to dumb-down the populous. 54-58% of annual discretionary spending goes to defense when we have never been attacked by a country in our history while a meagher 4-8% is spent on education. Keeps us stupid.
I'd be glad to get into a healthy debate with you on the merits of 9/11 but I don't think you're big enough to handle it nor are most Americans. The world is laughing at us for believing this fairy tale. No self-respecting (or not employed by govt) physicist, architect, engineer believes this ridiculous tale. I did for 12 years. Two laws of physics were violated and the melting of steel beams magically took place from jet fuel/kerosene of which most was dissipated upon impact. I think everyone owes to themselves to at least look at the websites devoted to this event sponsored by the firemen (firefightersfor911truth.org) many who were at the scene, architects (aefor911truth.org) to at least hear their side of the story and ask yourself why these numbers continue to grow.
OK Rosie "we have never been attacked by a country in our history" War of 1812? Pearl Harbor? Sorry, double post.
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Post by Trades on Jan 1, 2015 12:07:59 GMT -5
OK Rosie "we have never been attacked by a country in our history" War of 1812? Pearl Harbor? 1812 justifies 58% defense spending when we have unemployment through the roof, rampant immigration failures, and 4-8% education spending? Nice try.
Pearl Harbor was a false flag effort. If you're not aware of this since the release of records, you need to look. Every historian knows this.
Seriously, you folks need to get out of your history books from grade school and learn the truth. It's all out there. Challenge yourself to look.
You love to argue false arguments. I didn't say that the War of 1812 justified any defense spending. YOU said that we have never been attacked by another country. I gave 2 examples where we had. Out of curiosity please let me know what you think of the following (I'll just ask the top 5): Lincoln was killed by John Wilkes Booth JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald Americans walked on the moon in 1969 Did the Holocaust happen? What happened at Roswell in 1947? |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 1, 2015 12:09:08 GMT -5
1812 justifies 58% defense spending when we have unemployment through the roof, rampant immigration failures, and 4-8% education spending? Nice try.
Pearl Harbor was a false flag effort. If you're not aware of this since the release of records, you need to look. Every historian knows this.
Seriously, you folks need to get out of your history books from grade school and learn the truth. It's all out there. Challenge yourself to look.
You love to argue false arguments. I didn't say that the War of 1812 justified any defense spending. YOU said that we have never been attacked by another country. I gave 2 examples where we had. Out of curiosity please let me know what you think of the following (I'll just ask the top 5): Lincoln was killed by John Wilkes Booth JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald Americans walked on the moon in 1969 Did the Holocaust happen? What happened at Roswell in 1947? We'll end our discussion here. It was nice talking to you. |
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Post by Trades on Jan 1, 2015 12:12:21 GMT -5
You love to argue false arguments. I didn't say that the War of 1812 justified any defense spending. YOU said that we have never been attacked by another country. I gave 2 examples where we had. Out of curiosity please let me know what you think of the following (I'll just ask the top 5): Lincoln was killed by John Wilkes Booth JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald Americans walked on the moon in 1969 Did the Holocaust happen? What happened at Roswell in 1947? We'll end our discussion here. It was nice talking to you. No really I would like to know if you believe every conspiracy theory or if you pick and choose.  |
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 4, 2015 13:33:06 GMT -5
OK Rosie "we have never been attacked by a country in our history" War of 1812? Pearl Harbor? 1812 justifies 58% defense spending when we have unemployment through the roof, rampant immigration failures, and 4-8% education spending? Nice try.
Pearl Harbor was a false flag effort. If you're not aware of this since the release of records, you need to look. Every historian knows this.
Seriously, you folks need to get out of your history books from grade school and learn the truth. It's all out there. Challenge |
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Post by thebigragu on Jan 4, 2015 15:05:23 GMT -5
1812 justifies 58% defense spending when we have unemployment through the roof, rampant immigration failures, and 4-8% education spending? Nice try.
Pearl Harbor was a false flag effort. If you're not aware of this since the release of records, you need to look. Every historian knows this.
Seriously, you folks need to get out of your history books from grade school and learn the truth. It's all out there. Challenge Conspiracy theories didn't begin with Kennedy. Look back through history and you'll find that any time some disgruntled foreign agent ever committed an atrocity on American soil, there were people screaming "false flag!" -- meaning the government intentionally staged the attack to drum up support for some kind of evil foreign policy, or, at the very least, intentionally let it happen for the same reason. Take Pearl Harbor. After the Japanese air force launched a surprise attack on the American fleet in 1941, it became a widespread belief among conspiracy authors that President Roosevelt knew the attack was going to take place, but allowed it to go ahead. Why? Quite simply, he had a hard-on for war with Germany, but didn't have the public support for it. Since Hitler had signed a pact with Japan, war with either of them meant war with both, and allowing everyone at Pearl Harbor to be murdered would give FDR all the public support he needed to enter the war. He could spank Hitler's ass while still looking like the victim. The Simple Misunderstanding: The Tripartite Pact, the pact between Japan, Germany, and Italy, was a defensive alliance only. That means Hitler was under no obligation to attack the United States just because his idiot friends did. Of course, Germany did declare war after Pearl Harbor, but it had nothing to do with the idea that Hitler's hand was forced by some deal he had with Japan. Instead, he cited the Lend-Lease Act and American naval activity as his reasons. That's because Roosevelt was already pissing Hitler off by ordering his destroyers to sink German submarines on sight while at the same time escorting boatloads of weapons and supplies to Hitler's enemies. It's true that Roosevelt was pretty keen to enter the war against Germany ... to the point where he actually didn't want to go to war with Japan because a war in the Pacific would distract him from his German hate-boner. Read more: www.cracked.com/article_20466_5-conspiracy-theories-that-are-shockingly-easy-to-debunk.html#ixzz3NsvrBqQofcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DECWAR.htmwww.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=71 |
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Post by Big L on Jan 4, 2015 20:52:37 GMT -5
Why the hell did I click on this thread.
Bavar might be out of this thread, but I wish he'd explain further this sentence he posted-
"Two laws of physics were violated and the melting of steel beams magically took place from jet fuel/kerosene of which most was dissipated upon impact. "
What two laws were broken, and what steel melted? Are you implying some steel from the WTC towers turned from a solid in to a liquid?
I'm a structural engineer. In addition to engineering, I also minored in physics and mathematics. My job involves the design of force resisting systems. I have an intimate knowledge of the mechanics of materials. . In addition to designing hurricane and earthquake resistant structures, I also work at designing blast resistant structures. If you have some questions about physics or steel structures, please ask.
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Post by flushingjet on Jan 5, 2015 12:21:09 GMT -5
Why the hell did I click on this thread. Bavar might be out of this thread, but I wish he'd explain further this sentence he posted- "Two laws of physics were violated and the melting of steel beams magically took place from jet fuel/kerosene of which most was dissipated upon impact. " What two laws were broken, and what steel melted? Are you implying some steel from the WTC towers turned from a solid in to a liquid? I'm a structural engineer. In addition to engineering, I also minored in physics and mathematics. My job involves the design of force resisting systems. I have an intimate knowledge of the mechanics of materials. . In addition to designing hurricane and earthquake resistant structures, I also work at designing blast resistant structures. If you have some questions about physics or steel structures, please ask. I am impressed with your background Mr. L. While I am not in the same profession as yourself my dad ran his own mechanical engineering business for nearly 40 years and working for him in a part time capacity I gained a cursory knowledge of metallurgy and metallic properties. Additionally, I worked at 2 WTC, Floors 25/26 for several years up until the morning of its "demolition". 1st, Having actually worked there I can and will attest to anyone, that it was impossible to "plant" incendiary devices in offices, stairwells, and other storage points without notice or being touched off as it was staffed 24x7. Infamously, WTC smokers were often too lazy or out of shape to take the stairs or elevators out to the plaza to smoke and violated any # of NYFD/PAPD statutes to smoke in toilets, stairwells and other rooms. 2nd and more importantly, steel melts at a very high temperature, over 2000 F but it becomes DUCTILE (bendable, malleable, pliable) at a lower temperature...lower than the temperatures reached inside...and as such twisted and collapsed. Do any of these dolts factor in the physical laws of gravity from a mile up and the inability for twisted beams to support the sheer tonnage of human beings, plaster, wood, concrete, glass, wiring, steel, plumbing, running water, fabric, furniture, electronics, TV and computer screens, computers, building material, insulation, paint, plastic, paper, and machinery as unsupportable weight and also acted as touch points for conflagration that burned as a result of fuel and resultant electrical fires? All of this tripe has been debunked long, long ago..... www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842While I am practicing much restraint in this new Hampur or as I call it Hampur 2.0 or The Playpen, I am always compelled to debunk the Troofers like "Bavarian" (whom I suspect is a dope like "Nationalist88" or one of our other infamous "Libertarian" pukes in mufti) that deny the laws of physics while citing the same as "proof" of an Reichstag fire-like "inside job"...they are as loathesome, odious, morally bankrupt as any terrorist - B. Hussein's S.A. aka The Occufilth, NBPP, ANSWER and Al Qaeda included- with the added un-bonus of being intellectually and scientifically incurious, and definitely worthy of being beaten up to a bloody unsconscious pulp by my ironically, un-malleable iron fists whenever they utter this unspeakable blood libel. |
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Post by Big L on Jan 5, 2015 12:34:49 GMT -5
Why the hell did I click on this thread. Bavar might be out of this thread, but I wish he'd explain further this sentence he posted- "Two laws of physics were violated and the melting of steel beams magically took place from jet fuel/kerosene of which most was dissipated upon impact. " What two laws were broken, and what steel melted? Are you implying some steel from the WTC towers turned from a solid in to a liquid? I'm a structural engineer. In addition to engineering, I also minored in physics and mathematics. My job involves the design of force resisting systems. I have an intimate knowledge of the mechanics of materials. . In addition to designing hurricane and earthquake resistant structures, I also work at designing blast resistant structures. If you have some questions about physics or steel structures, please ask. I am impressed with your background Mr. L. While I am not in the same profession as yourself my dad ran his own mechanical engineering business for nearly 40 years and working for him in a part time capacity I gained a cursory knowledge of metallurgy and metallic properties. Additionally, I worked at 2 WTC, Floors 25/26 for several years up until the morning of its "demolition". 1st, Having actually worked there I can and will attest to anyone, that it was impossible to "plant" incendiary devices in offices, stairwells, and other storage points without notice or being touched off as it was staffed 24x7. Infamously, WTC smokers were often too lazy or out of shape to take the stairs or elevators out to the plaza to smoke and violated any # of NYFD/PAPD statutes to smoke. 2nd and more importantly, steel melts at a very high temperature, over 2000 F but it becomes DUCTILE (bendable, malleable, pliable) at a lower temperature...lower than the temperatures reached inside...and as such twisted and collapsed. Do any of these dolts factor in the physical laws of gravity from a mile up and the inability for twisted beams to support the sheer tonnage of human beings, plaster, wood, concrete, glass, wiring, steel, plumbing, running water, fabric, furniture, electronics, TV and computer screens, computers, building material, insulation, paint, plastic, paper, and machinery as unsupportable weight and also acted as touch points for conflagration that burned as a result of fuel and resultant electrical fires? All of this tripe has been debunked long, long ago..... www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842While I am practicing much restraint in this new Hampur or as I call it Hampur 2.0 or The Playpen, I am always compelled to debunk the Troofers like "Bavarian" (whom I suspect is a dope like "Nationalist88" or one of our other infamous "Libertarian" pukes in mufti) that deny the laws of physics while citing the same as "proof" of an Reichstag fire-like "inside job"...they are as loathesome, odious, morally bankrupt as any terrorist - B. Hussein's S.A. aka The Occufilth, NBPP, ANSWER and Al Qaeda included- with the added un-bonus of being intellectually and scientifically incurious, and definitely worthy of being beaten up to a bloody unsconscious pulp by my ironically, un-malleable iron fists whenever they utter this unspeakable blood libel. I appreciate your restraint.  People with no idea of physics and materials who talk about some conspiracy about why the WTCs collapsed drive me insane.
3rd, without getting too engineering speak, the commercial airliner impacts knocked out some columns and floors. The capacity of a column is based, among other things, on it's unbraced length. A floor braces a column. Once you remove a floor, you double it's unbraced length. Doubling a columns unbraced length reduces it's capacity by a factor of 4. Additionally, load that was supported on columns that were obliterated by impact had to go somewhere else, which was the remaining intact columns. Add load to a column, double or triple it's unbraced length, and heat it a few hundred degrees, and it's no stretch of physics or the imagination that they buckled, leading to a progressive collapse of the WTCs.
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Post by Trades on Jan 5, 2015 13:00:04 GMT -5
I am impressed with your background Mr. L. While I am not in the same profession as yourself my dad ran his own mechanical engineering business for nearly 40 years and working for him in a part time capacity I gained a cursory knowledge of metallurgy and metallic properties. Additionally, I worked at 2 WTC, Floors 25/26 for several years up until the morning of its "demolition". 1st, Having actually worked there I can and will attest to anyone, that it was impossible to "plant" incendiary devices in offices, stairwells, and other storage points without notice or being touched off as it was staffed 24x7. Infamously, WTC smokers were often too lazy or out of shape to take the stairs or elevators out to the plaza to smoke and violated any # of NYFD/PAPD statutes to smoke. 2nd and more importantly, steel melts at a very high temperature, over 2000 F but it becomes DUCTILE (bendable, malleable, pliable) at a lower temperature...lower than the temperatures reached inside...and as such twisted and collapsed. Do any of these dolts factor in the physical laws of gravity from a mile up and the inability for twisted beams to support the sheer tonnage of human beings, plaster, wood, concrete, glass, wiring, steel, plumbing, running water, fabric, furniture, electronics, TV and computer screens, computers, building material, insulation, paint, plastic, paper, and machinery as unsupportable weight and also acted as touch points for conflagration that burned as a result of fuel and resultant electrical fires? All of this tripe has been debunked long, long ago..... www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842While I am practicing much restraint in this new Hampur or as I call it Hampur 2.0 or The Playpen, I am always compelled to debunk the Troofers like "Bavarian" (whom I suspect is a dope like "Nationalist88" or one of our other infamous "Libertarian" pukes in mufti) that deny the laws of physics while citing the same as "proof" of an Reichstag fire-like "inside job"...they are as loathesome, odious, morally bankrupt as any terrorist - B. Hussein's S.A. aka The Occufilth, NBPP, ANSWER and Al Qaeda included- with the added un-bonus of being intellectually and scientifically incurious, and definitely worthy of being beaten up to a bloody unsconscious pulp by my ironically, un-malleable iron fists whenever they utter this unspeakable blood libel. I appreciate your restraint. People with no idea of physics and materials who talk about some conspiracy about why the WTCs collapsed drive me insane.
3rd, without getting too engineering speak, the commercial airliner impacts knocked out some columns and floors. The capacity of a column is based, among other things, on it's unbraced length. A floor braces a column. Once you remove a floor, you double it's unbraced length. Doubling a columns unbraced length reduces it's capacity by a factor of 4. Additionally, load that was supported on columns that were obliterated by impact had to go somewhere else, which was the remaining intact columns. Add load to a column, double or triple it's unbraced length, and heat it a few hundred degrees, and it's no stretch of physics or the imagination that they buckled, leading to a progressive collapse of the WTCs.
But Bavarian does research on international sites!!! He looks into all the information. He has to be right, we are all sheep! |
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Post by thebigragu on Jan 5, 2015 13:02:06 GMT -5
We didn't land on the Moon
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People with no idea of physics and materials who talk about some conspiracy about why the WTCs collapsed drive me insane.