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Post by Trades on Feb 11, 2016 13:08:37 GMT -5
I'm totally fine with legalizing weed, but I don't think all drugs should be legal. Kids (and everyone for that matter) shouldn't have to watch some junkies shooting H into their arm while they're out in public. Couldn't that be covered until things like public intoxication? There are a lot of places you can't drink a beer in America but it is legal to buy and use in the proper places. |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 11, 2016 14:39:45 GMT -5
I meant legalizing it all. Why? If heroin becomes legal tomorrow, you gonna go out and start doing some? Nope. But the harm it does, and the evil way it does it, (with ZERO positive traits) makes it something I believe should be illegal. Junkies too quickly become harmful to society as a whole through crime and medical costs. Believe me I wish I could be for 100% freedom...but ya know, real word and all. |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 11, 2016 14:41:22 GMT -5
I'm totally fine with legalizing weed, but I don't think all drugs should be legal. Kids (and everyone for that matter) shouldn't have to watch some junkies shooting H into their arm while they're out in public. Cleveland steamers are legal, and I don't think anybody should have to see that walking down the street either. Technically the are not legal in public. Indecent exposure and all. |
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Post by Trades on Feb 11, 2016 17:16:39 GMT -5
Why? If heroin becomes legal tomorrow, you gonna go out and start doing some? Nope. But the harm it does, and the evil way it does it, (with ZERO positive traits) makes it something I believe should be illegal. Junkies too quickly become harmful to society as a whole through crime and medical costs. Believe me I wish I could be for 100% freedom...but ya know, real word and all. But that all exists now! And that is the reason that people use to get rid of things THEY think are bad. Video games, masturbation, porn, ... |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 11, 2016 18:45:51 GMT -5
Nope. But the harm it does, and the evil way it does it, (with ZERO positive traits) makes it something I believe should be illegal. Junkies too quickly become harmful to society as a whole through crime and medical costs. Believe me I wish I could be for 100% freedom...but ya know, real word and all. But that all exists now! And that is the reason that people use to get rid of things THEY think are bad. Video games, masturbation, porn, ... Masturbation leads to crime? It's addictive that's for sure. |
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Post by Trades on Feb 11, 2016 20:11:48 GMT -5
But that all exists now! And that is the reason that people use to get rid of things THEY think are bad. Video games, masturbation, porn, ... Masturbation leads to crime? It's addictive that's for sure. No but nutty religious people would want it to be based on your description "the harm it does, and the evil way it does it, (with ZERO positive traits) makes it something I believe should be illegal. " |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 11, 2016 20:19:22 GMT -5
Masturbation leads to crime? It's addictive that's for sure. No but nutty religious people would want it to be based on your description "the harm it does, and the evil way it does it, (with ZERO positive traits) makes it something I believe should be illegal. " But that's just it...it does no harm and has a lot of positive traits! |
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Post by Trades on Feb 11, 2016 20:21:44 GMT -5
No but nutty religious people would want it to be based on your description "the harm it does, and the evil way it does it, (with ZERO positive traits) makes it something I believe should be illegal. " But that's just it...it does no harm and has a lot of positive traits! We agree on that but not everyone does. |
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Post by freestater on Feb 12, 2016 8:56:55 GMT -5
Why? If heroin becomes legal tomorrow, you gonna go out and start doing some? Nope. But the harm it does, and the evil way it does it, (with ZERO positive traits) makes it something I believe should be illegal. Junkies too quickly become harmful to society as a whole through crime and medical costs. Believe me I wish I could be for 100% freedom...but ya know, real word and all. There will always be a segment of the pop. that is hell-bent for destruction. You could legislate every single aspect of personal life, and folks still gonna off themselves. I'll tell you one thing we know for certain right now, incarcerating them hasn't led to any type of solution to the problem. I guess I'm just unreasonalbe because I think taking people's rights and liberty should be weighed against the efficacy of the restrictions imposed. We already know how effective drug prohibition is. When you outright 'prohibit', you lose the ability to regulate. Who controls the purity of heroin on the streets? The FDA? El Chapo Guzman, that's who. Now who controls the safety of alcoholic beverages? Not Al Capone anymore. (depending on your perspective about the occupants of govt. offices, I gues..) I just don't think anyone promoting continuation of the war on drugs, has any grounds to accuse the legalization position as "unrealistic". |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 12, 2016 9:20:29 GMT -5
Nope. But the harm it does, and the evil way it does it, (with ZERO positive traits) makes it something I believe should be illegal. Junkies too quickly become harmful to society as a whole through crime and medical costs. Believe me I wish I could be for 100% freedom...but ya know, real word and all. There will always be a segment of the pop. that is hell-bent for destruction. You could legislate every single aspect of personal life, and folks still gonna off themselves. I'll tell you one thing we know for certain right now, incarcerating them hasn't led to any type of solution to the problem. I guess I'm just unreasonalbe because I think taking people's rights and liberty should be weighed against the efficacy of the restrictions imposed. We already know how effective drug prohibition is. When you outright 'prohibit', you lose the ability to regulate. Who controls the purity of heroin on the streets? The FDA? El Chapo Guzman, that's who. Now who controls the safety of alcoholic beverages? Not Al Capone anymore. (depending on your perspective about the occupants of govt. offices, I gues..) I just don't think anyone promoting continuation of the war on drugs, has any grounds to accuse the legalization position as "unrealistic". I i certainly am not a fan of jailing addicts....and even law enforcement has come around. Police up here now offer treatment if you walk in and ask for it. And yah, there are a small number of hell bent folks. I ain't for no war on drugs but as a society we always try and balance freedom with thr good of the whole. wE have traffic laws right? tHeres no such thing as 100 percent freedom. Citizens have responsibilities. The heroin epidemic up here is getting out of hand. Kids are dying at record numbers. tHe reasons go away beyond this discussion, but legalizing Everything can't be part of the solution. Love me some weed, is way better than booze, but the other stuff? cOmplete garbage. |
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Post by Trades on Feb 12, 2016 10:49:19 GMT -5
There will always be a segment of the pop. that is hell-bent for destruction. You could legislate every single aspect of personal life, and folks still gonna off themselves. I'll tell you one thing we know for certain right now, incarcerating them hasn't led to any type of solution to the problem. I guess I'm just unreasonalbe because I think taking people's rights and liberty should be weighed against the efficacy of the restrictions imposed. We already know how effective drug prohibition is. When you outright 'prohibit', you lose the ability to regulate. Who controls the purity of heroin on the streets? The FDA? El Chapo Guzman, that's who. Now who controls the safety of alcoholic beverages? Not Al Capone anymore. (depending on your perspective about the occupants of govt. offices, I gues..) I just don't think anyone promoting continuation of the war on drugs, has any grounds to accuse the legalization position as "unrealistic". I i certainly am not a fan of jailing addicts....and even law enforcement has come around. Police up here now offer treatment if you walk in and ask for it. And yah, there are a small number of hell bent folks. I ain't for no war on drugs but as a society we always try and balance freedom with thr good of the whole. wE have traffic laws right? tHeres no such thing as 100 percent freedom. Citizens have responsibilities. The heroin epidemic up here is getting out of hand. Kids are dying at record numbers. tHe reasons go away beyond this discussion, but legalizing Everything can't be part of the solution. Love me some weed, is way better than booze, but the other stuff? cOmplete garbage.So having it be illegal is not stopping anything. Pushers can deal to kids all the time. If it is legal but heavily regulated maybe that would actually help. I have personally never done an illegal drug and don't plan on starting but I can see that the laws aren't helping in the slightest and are actually hurting a lot of people. I just don't see how it isn't time to try something else because this isn't working. |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 12, 2016 11:12:45 GMT -5
i certainly am not a fan of jailing addicts....and even law enforcement has come around. Police up here now offer treatment if you walk in and ask for it. And yah, there are a small number of hell bent folks. I ain't for no war on drugs but as a society we always try and balance freedom with thr good of the whole. wE have traffic laws right? tHeres no such thing as 100 percent freedom. Citizens have responsibilities. The heroin epidemic up here is getting out of hand. Kids are dying at record numbers. tHe reasons go away beyond this discussion, but legalizing Everything can't be part of the solution. Love me some weed, is way better than booze, but the other stuff? cOmplete garbage.So having it be illegal is not stopping anything. Pushers can deal to kids all the time. If it is legal but heavily regulated maybe that would actually help. I have personally never done an illegal drug and don't plan on starting but I can see that the laws aren't helping in the slightest and are actually hurting a lot of people. I just don't see how it isn't time to try something else because this isn't working. Well the heroin problem is more closely associated with the opiate problem, a whole nother story. Hey, people are still murdering each other...I dont think legalizing will help. Again, Im all for legalizing things that dont hurt anyone. The harder drugs change brain chemistry the first hit, and people are helpless. Its just not meant for human consumption. We make dangerous things illegal. Anyway, I get where you're coming from...agree to disagree. |
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Post by freestater on Feb 12, 2016 12:56:54 GMT -5
Nicotine is complete garbage... in any event...
Not in favor of extending any billion (trillion?) dollar expense, at the consequence of regulating (and of course, with this kleptocracy, taxing)the situation. Can't help but love a system that would tax the product and then fund the addiction problems. If only we could get the govt. to pay for gambling addicts with lottery reciepts. At least it'd be as tough for kids to get heroin as it is to get Jack Daniels. I know when I was young, it was harder to get beer, than it was to get acid. Keeping shit illegal, and on the street corner rather than the store shelves, is not working, has never worked, (and through my amazing powers of observation..) I can say, will never work. Which is worse; continuing something that isn't working, or trying something that was true before, and could possibly stem the tide now?
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Post by thebigragu on Feb 12, 2016 13:39:17 GMT -5
I like the legalize all option. I can see the fucking utopia now. Having been locked up and seeing heroin meth addicts go through withdrawals..i can just picture when they run out of money to support their habit and they know of places holding vast amounts of it legally. And the happy workforce selling those drugs turning away thousands of addicts without the cash to pay. Something junkies usually don't have cash. It will be utopia as the junkies leave saying well i guess ill find a job and come back tommorow for my fix. Not kill everyone in the immediate area to stop the detoxification taking place in their very soul.
Hey but with BERNIE SANDERS PERHAPS UNIVERSAL MEDICAID WILL HAVE US TAXPAYERS PICK UP THAT FUCKING BILL TOO. FOOD STAMPS A PLACE TO LIVE FREE EDUCATION YOU WON'T USE SOME CASH IN YOUR POCKET AND SOME FUCKING HEROIN POT METH WHATEVER. JUST STAY ON THE COUCH WATCH JERRY SPRINGER AND COPS. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE REST. HITMANS FUCKING DREAM SCENARIO
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Post by Trades on Feb 12, 2016 13:51:26 GMT -5
But that all exists now! And that is the reason that people use to get rid of things THEY think are bad. Video games, masturbation, porn, ... Masturbation leads to crime? It's addictive that's for sure. No but making things illegal CREATES crime. Look at alcohol prohibition. I am not saying there should be heroin vending machines. It should be regulated, but part of the reason there is so much crime around it is that its mere possession is a crime. When things are hidden there is no way to really address the issue because it is all hidden. It also creates a huge underground, illegal and violent business that wouldn't exist or would be marginalized like moon shine were it legal. Our laws haven't stopped anything and have impacted many more lives than just legal usage would cause IMO. Yes heroin is a horrible thing. It is hard to come back from that addiction, however hiding it isn't helping. |
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