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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 6, 2016 10:18:10 GMT -5
Right - and that goes back to my question - were the cops unjustified in shooting all 100? I'm guessing, no.
And why can't you include how many white people (or Hispanic or Asian or whatever) were also unarmed and killed by cops? Are their deaths not as devastating?
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 6, 2016 10:19:38 GMT -5
You, like VTN, speak in generalities. You said.. "don't want unarmed folks executed". Well, in my opinion, in some circumstances, cops have no other choice than to shoot at unarmed assailants. Now, to your question, I don't know yet if they should have shot him. First glance, no. But one article said he had a gun in his pocket - if he tried to pull it, then adios muchacho. If he didn't try to pull it, then no, they should just taser him until he resembles a Tourette's patient. I'm actually curious as to what was the initial crime being committed... unlike that dope in Ferguson who committed robbery before he was shot (and charging the police), it seems this guy had the permission of the store owner to sell CD's in front of the store. Were the CD's bootlegs? Or did someone see the gun and get nervous (not sure about LA concealed carry laws)? Im curious too. I think its too early to know exactly. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 6, 2016 10:21:44 GMT -5
Right - and that goes back to my question - were the cops unjustified in shooting all 100? I'm guessing, no. And why can't you include how many white people (or Hispanic or Asian or whatever) were also unarmed and killed by cops? Are their deaths not as devastating? Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015. Make of that what you will. |
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Post by Trades on Jul 6, 2016 10:25:27 GMT -5
A little more info from www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#alton-sterling-2016563Alton Sterling DEMOGRAPHICS Black Male, 37 LOCATION 2112 N Foster Dr Baton Rouge, Louisiana ARMED Disputed CLASSIFICATION Gunshot POLICE DEPARTMENT Baton Rouge Police Department An officer shot and killed Sterling after 'some type of altercation' outside of a convenience store, according to authorities. Police said they were responding to a report that Sterling was armed and selling CDs outside of the store. The owner of the store said he saw the shooting and that Sterling wasn't holding a gun when he was killed. Bystander video footage shows one officer tackling Sterling to the ground and pinning him there while a second officer shoots him at close range during a struggle. STATUS Under investigation Baton Rouge AdvocateWBRZ News |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 6, 2016 10:27:21 GMT -5
Right - and that goes back to my question - were the cops unjustified in shooting all 100? I'm guessing, no. And why can't you include how many white people (or Hispanic or Asian or whatever) were also unarmed and killed by cops? Are their deaths not as devastating? Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015. Make of that what you will. Source? According to the Washington Post, cops killed 986 people in the US in 2015. 60% of the ones unarmed that were killed were white. "Over the past year, The Post found that the vast majority of those shot and killed by police were armed and half of them were white. Still, police killed blacks at three times the rate of whites when adjusted for the populations where these shootings occurred. And although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed while unarmed." www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html |
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 6, 2016 10:29:20 GMT -5
Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015. Make of that what you will. Source? According to the Washington Post, cops killed 986 people in the US in 2015. 60% of the ones unarmed that were killed were white. "Over the past year, The Post found that the vast majority of those shot and killed by police were armed and half of them were white. Still, police killed blacks at three times the rate of whites when adjusted for the populations where these shootings occurred. And although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed while unarmed." www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.htmlPolice killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week. |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 6, 2016 10:29:54 GMT -5
Concealed carry is legal in LA.. therefore, can't just arrest a guy because he has a gun (unless he refuses to show his license). www.lsp.org/handguns.html |
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Post by Trades on Jul 6, 2016 10:30:10 GMT -5
Right - and that goes back to my question - were the cops unjustified in shooting all 100? I'm guessing, no. And why can't you include how many white people (or Hispanic or Asian or whatever) were also unarmed and killed by cops? Are their deaths not as devastating? According to "The Counted" in 2016 3.4 Native Americans 3.21 Blacks 1.51 Hispanics 1.35 Whites 0.5 Asians per million were killed by the police. It is obviously the Native American's that are the problem. Native American lives matter!!!! That translates to 13 Native Americans 135 Blacks 84 Hispanics 267 Whites 8 Asians 50 Other I believe this is just "killed by cop" not unarmed. www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database# |
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Post by 2foolish on Jul 6, 2016 10:36:22 GMT -5
Concealed carry is legal in LA.. therefore, can't just arrest a guy because he has a gun (unless he refuses to show his license). www.lsp.org/handguns.htmlreport was that he was threatening someone with it... |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 6, 2016 10:47:33 GMT -5
Ah I see.. you're talking about the rate. I was talking about the actual numbers. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 6, 2016 10:52:27 GMT -5
Ah I see.. you're talking about the rate. I was talking about the actual numbers. COMMON! Enough of this. Post some boobs |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 6, 2016 10:54:54 GMT -5
Ah I see.. you're talking about the rate. I was talking about the actual numbers. COMMON! Enough of this. Post some boobs That's Trades job. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 6, 2016 11:03:36 GMT -5
This thread and FF2 is a perfect microcosm of what happens in our media.
Presidential candidate literally puts country at risk with her behavior. Change the story to a police shooting.
BTW, you should check how they compile their data on the site you listed. Its basically a spinoff of BLM.
Here are some of the "police killings" used in their stats.
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Post by southparkcpa on Jul 6, 2016 11:04:02 GMT -5
and the info FF2 speaks of is campaign related. RNC, Karl Rove type stuff. Not CIA, state department activity in basically a Gmail account. Sure as long as you take Karl Roves word for it. And gee he seems lime a pretty decent fellow. (its wasn't campaign stuff, it involved Valeirie Plame and the firing of 7 Federal judges.) Well, make no mistake, we are in agreement. Karl Rove is a fukkin arsehole. He and Bush are almost entirely responsible for why a guy like Trump can get nominated. I am no longer a republican thanks to BUSH and ROVE and Paul Ryan is a pussy too IMO. Not knowing all the facts about Plame except a brief read of WIKI... it doesnt seem to be as scandalous as the Secretary of State housing a server in basically a chinese restaurant deemed not as secure as Gmail and absolutely using it for high lever business. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Jul 6, 2016 11:11:46 GMT -5
The top 1% salary increased 7.7% this year. Tough times and as long as we provide public assistance for people able to work (not those who clearly need help), that will continue. There is NO reason to work at $15 an hour based on todays "entitlements". The top 5 percent will continue to grow. My personal income is up 6 figures from 5 years ago. I have a skill, I study it, take a of of training and work a lot of Saturdays and late hours with no union protection. I grew up in basically the hood to a single parent and watched her graduate high school. So... It is available to pretty much anyone willing to sacrifice. I did.
Our government, last 50 years does not promote self sufficiency so why would any reasonable person expect different?
There is nothing the government can do to stop it. Its sad but it will not change. We will have a revolution soon of kids who feel entitled. they wont work hard, but they will protest. We cant tax our way out of it.Does it really matter? She with out a doubt put this country and its operatives at risk. Those who vote for her, clearly dont care, they simply want to tax those who produce and continue their own downward spiral to the bottom as we have seen since 1964. Several top law scholars have said that her negligence absolutely crossed the line of negligence which is a crime. But who cares..she'll still get 90 percent of a certain voting blocks the dems have kept down since 1964. |
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