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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 8, 2016 8:08:09 GMT -5
Why can't murica be like all other civilised advanced nations? No armed civilians. No armed cawps. The only ones armed are the military and specialist police units to deal with extreme circumstances like terrorist threats etc Me and duke go out and don't need to worry if the cawps pull us over because neither of us is armed, I can protect myself against civilians using my fists or whatever. No one is losing their life over a busted tail light or scared to send their kids to school. Gun crime does happen here, infact Manchester used to be nicknamed "Gunchester" because of gang shootings, however they are few and far between because gun control is so tight. Because you don't have a segment of the population (or maybe you do), who like to rob, rape and play games like "the knockout game" against civilians in major cities. They prey upon the weak... so hence, civilians feel they need to protect themselves against 240 pound, 6'1 beasts bearing down on them.
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Post by Harrier on Jul 8, 2016 8:20:46 GMT -5
Why can't murica be like all other civilised advanced nations? No armed civilians. No armed cawps. The only ones armed are the military and specialist police units to deal with extreme circumstances like terrorist threats etc Me and duke go out and don't need to worry if the cawps pull us over because neither of us is armed, I can protect myself against civilians using my fists or whatever. No one is losing their life over a busted tail light or scared to send their kids to school. Gun crime does happen here, infact Manchester used to be nicknamed "Gunchester" because of gang shootings, however they are few and far between because gun control is so tight. Because you don't have a segment of the population (or maybe you do), who like to rob, rape and play games like "the knockout game" against civilians in major cities. They prey upon the weak... so hence, civilians feel they need to protect themselves against 240 pound, 6'1 beasts bearing down on them. Maybe get in the gym and take some MMA classes, seems a stupid solution to just be a pussy with a trigger because you might get your ass kicked.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 8, 2016 8:26:50 GMT -5
Because you don't have a segment of the population (or maybe you do), who like to rob, rape and play games like "the knockout game" against civilians in major cities. They prey upon the weak... so hence, civilians feel they need to protect themselves against 240 pound, 6'1 beasts bearing down on them. Maybe get in the gym and take some MMA classes, seems a stupid solution to just be a pussy with a trigger because you might get your ass kicked. Sure, I'll tell the 47 year old mother of 2 to take MMA classes... You sound like a tough guy, and I mean that as a compliment, but frankly, I'd bet on the savages we have crawling around in our inner cities (who attack in packs - there is no one on one fights anymore) vs. you and your MMA/military training any day of the week. They'd tear your limey ass to shreds.
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Post by Harrier on Jul 8, 2016 8:41:09 GMT -5
Maybe get in the gym and take some MMA classes, seems a stupid solution to just be a pussy with a trigger because you might get your ass kicked. Sure, I'll tell the 47 year old mother of 2 to take MMA classes... You sound like a tough guy, and I mean that as a compliment, but frankly, I'd bet on the savages we have crawling around in our inner cities (who attack in packs - there is no one on one fights anymore) vs. you and your MMA/military training any day of the week. They'd tear your limey ass to shreds. Maybe I'm just oblivious to what's actually goin on there. Listen I'm no tough guy, I can look after myself like most others can, just saying from the outside lookin in it looks like guns do more bad than good. This must be goin on in other countries? Look at the ruskies they hunt in packs and prey on the weak but not everyone is shooting each other up.
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Post by Trades on Jul 8, 2016 8:43:05 GMT -5
Why can't murica be like all other civilised advanced nations? No armed civilians. No armed cawps. The only ones armed are the military and specialist police units to deal with extreme circumstances like terrorist threats etc Me and duke go out and don't need to worry if the cawps pull us over because neither of us is armed, I can protect myself against civilians using my fists or whatever. No one is losing their life over a busted tail light or scared to send their kids to school. Gun crime does happen here, infact Manchester used to be nicknamed "Gunchester" because of gang shootings, however they are few and far between because gun control is so tight. I have NEVER feared for my life when pulled over by a cop. I don't argue with them, keep my hands where they can be seen, listen and follow directions. Then we both go our separate ways. Are there some exceptions to this rule? I am sure there are but they are VERY few and far between. You look at most of the death by cop shootings and they are people grandstanding who are actually physically fighting with the cop. Yes, right now the Philando Castile shooting looks bad for the cop and probably is but doesn't anyone understand that if you make the cops lives harder and make them fear for their lives they will be MORE likely to shoot first and ask questions later? Put yourself in their shoes. Follow the law, respect others property and person and guess what, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will not have a problem with a cop. Carry an illegal weapon, threaten or fight people, be belligerent with a cop when they show up and YOU are putting your life on the line. This isn't a video game, there are no extra lives when you fuck up.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 8, 2016 8:46:18 GMT -5
Sure, I'll tell the 47 year old mother of 2 to take MMA classes... You sound like a tough guy, and I mean that as a compliment, but frankly, I'd bet on the savages we have crawling around in our inner cities (who attack in packs - there is no one on one fights anymore) vs. you and your MMA/military training any day of the week. They'd tear your limey ass to shreds. Maybe I'm just oblivious to what's actually goin on there. Listen I'm no tough guy, I can look after myself like most others can, just saying from the outside lookin in it looks like guns do more bad than good. This must be goin on in other countries? Look at the fusiliers, they hunt in packs and prey on the weak but not everyone is shooting each other up. I think the only country that compares to what is going on in the US today is Brazil... and that's much worse. It's what happens, in my opinion, when you have a former slave population that was not integrated / assimilated into the general population and you have them still crying about the past, and the general population holding them down until 50 years ago. AND, they look different... if we had Italians as slaves, for example, I don't think we'd have the problems we have because the Italians would mix eventually into the general population and you wouldn't have the legacy racism. But there is no race mixing in great numbers here. Cultural mixing (Poles marrying Swedes), but not blacks marrying whites, Asians marrying Hispanics, etc. Don't believe the McDonald's commercials.. it doesn't happen that often. Most multi cultural societies are doomed to fail - Yugoslavia, South Africa, Brazil... we'll be next.
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Post by Trades on Jul 8, 2016 8:47:47 GMT -5
Sure, I'll tell the 47 year old mother of 2 to take MMA classes... You sound like a tough guy, and I mean that as a compliment, but frankly, I'd bet on the savages we have crawling around in our inner cities (who attack in packs - there is no one on one fights anymore) vs. you and your MMA/military training any day of the week. They'd tear your limey ass to shreds. Maybe I'm just oblivious to what's actually goin on there. Listen I'm no tough guy, I can look after myself like most others can, just saying from the outside lookin in it looks like guns do more bad than good. This must be goin on in other countries? Look at the ruskies they hunt in packs and prey on the weak but not everyone is shooting each other up. Everyone isn't shooting or getting shot here either. It is a segment of our population that live in the inner cities that don't respect our laws or their fellow citizens. They are taught that it is ok to take rather than earn and are told they are victims from childhood. Outside of the cities it is very peaceful. I don't know why anyone would want to be anywhere near some of these neighborhoods. I know all the excuses about how hard it is to pick up and leave but join the military, they will get you out of there quickly and teach respect and a skill. I am sick of the excuses and people crying about how tough it is. It is tough for most of us. Grow a pair and contribute to society and earn rather than take.
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2016 9:01:37 GMT -5
Why can't murica be like all other civilised advanced nations? No armed civilians. No armed cawps. The only ones armed are the military and specialist police units to deal with extreme circumstances like terrorist threats etc Me and duke go out and don't need to worry if the cawps pull us over because neither of us is armed, I can protect myself against civilians using my fists or whatever. No one is losing their life over a busted tail light or scared to send their kids to school. Gun crime does happen here, infact Manchester used to be nicknamed "Gunchester" because of gang shootings, however they are few and far between because gun control is so tight. The last thing I want is for our cops to be disarmed. If anything I want our LEOs and first responders to have more tools, equipment and techniques available to them. There was a fear one of the suspects had explosives on them but DPD was able to neutralize them using a robot and explosive after their refusal to surrender. No LEOs were put in harm's way. This is the "military style" equipment that some have called our police departments to be stripped of. What these people fail to realize is that in the 21st century our first responders are literally being sent into war zones and need that equipment. Can only speak for myself but I have never feared for my life when dealing with police. But I was taught at a young age to close my mouth and open my ears and treat them with respect. Same for my teachers in school. I was arrested once and had my head bashed into a squad car (got a black eye) while in college so I guess I have been a "victim" of brutality. Certainly by today's standards. As saddened as I am for what happened I am hopeful for better days ahead bc I feel Dallas is in very good hands with their Police Chief and Mayor. Couldn't be prouder of how they responded.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jul 8, 2016 9:10:26 GMT -5
I recently read a post on Facebook by an African American woman I used to work with. She was talking about how she's now raising her young boy making sure to teach him how to deal with the police (and not get shot) and how she prays her brother keeps his temper when pulled over, etc.
I know I'll be told I dont get it because Im white, but from as young as I can remember, my parents taught me the very things Trades and DDNY mentioned - when pulled over, keep your cool, hands on the wheel where they can be seen, be respectful, don't get physical with a cop, listen and speak when appropriate, dont argue, etc. It takes some self control at times, but swallow your pride for a few minutes, and deal with things later. You're not going to argue your way, verbally or physically, out of that situation. It should be common sense, right?
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Post by Harrier on Jul 8, 2016 9:13:35 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just oblivious to what's actually goin on there. Listen I'm no tough guy, I can look after myself like most others can, just saying from the outside lookin in it looks like guns do more bad than good. This must be goin on in other countries? Look at the fusiliers, they hunt in packs and prey on the weak but not everyone is shooting each other up. I think the only country that compares to what is going on in the US today is Brazil... and that's much worse. It's what happens, in my opinion, when you have a former slave population that was not integrated / assimilated into the general population and you have them still crying about the past, and the general population holding them down until 50 years ago. AND, they look different... if we had Italians as slaves, for example, I don't think we'd have the problems we have because the Italians would mix eventually into the general population and you wouldn't have the legacy racism. But there is no race mixing in great numbers here. Cultural mixing (Poles marrying Swedes), but not blacks marrying whites, Asians marrying Hispanics, etc. Don't believe the McDonald's commercials.. it doesn't happen that often. Most multi cultural societies are doomed to fail - Yugoslavia, South Africa, Brazil... we'll be next. Maybe I'm just oblivious to what's actually goin on there. Listen I'm no tough guy, I can look after myself like most others can, just saying from the outside lookin in it looks like guns do more bad than good. This must be goin on in other countries? Look at the ruskies they hunt in packs and prey on the weak but not everyone is shooting each other up. Everyone isn't shooting or getting shot here either. It is a segment of our population that live in the inner cities that don't respect our laws or their fellow citizens. They are taught that it is ok to take rather than earn and are told they are victims from childhood. Outside of the cities it is very peaceful. I don't know why anyone would want to be anywhere near some of these neighborhoods. I know all the excuses about how hard it is to pick up and leave but join the military, they will get you out of there quickly and teach respect and a skill. I am sick of the excuses and people crying about how tough it is. It is tough for most of us. Grow a pair and contribute to society and earn rather than take. So what exactly is goin on? Is this shit like a civilian civil war? What's goin on in inner cities and is it race related most of the time? What are they doin that the the general population feels their only option is to carry a gun? My sister is married to an american but they live here, I have family in Washington but have never discussed this shit with them although I know the Washington sniper shit deeply affected them. From the outside lookin in perspective I look at cops gettin shot by snipers and innocent people getting killed in routine traffic stops, fuckin 4 year old kids gettin their school shot up and it just doesn't seem right in the eyes of the free world or a solution to the problem I personally couldn't live in a society where the welfare of myself and my family was at risk because you might happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get whacked over something so stupid. I mean, what happens when guns so easily available get into the hands of the mentally ill or terrorist? Well I guess we are finding out. I know guns are stitched into the fabric of american culture and I know first hand the power a gun gives the shooter, but there's no mention of inner city warfare in the mainstream media, all we are seeing is power pissed cops shooting innocent people and general public retaliating popping of cops, I mean this shit just isn't normal. I just hope all you bitches on here stay safe mms and don't get caught up in this shit one day.
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 8, 2016 9:16:39 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just oblivious to what's actually goin on there. Listen I'm no tough guy, I can look after myself like most others can, just saying from the outside lookin in it looks like guns do more bad than good. This must be goin on in other countries? Look at the fusiliers, they hunt in packs and prey on the weak but not everyone is shooting each other up. I think the only country that compares to what is going on in the US today is Brazil... and that's much worse. It's what happens, in my opinion, when you have a former slave population that was not integrated / assimilated into the general population and you have them still crying about the past, and the general population holding them down until 50 years ago. AND, they look different... if we had Italians as slaves, for example, I don't think we'd have the problems we have because the Italians would mix eventually into the general population and you wouldn't have the legacy racism. But there is no race mixing in great numbers here. Cultural mixing (Poles marrying Swedes), but not blacks marrying whites, Asians marrying Hispanics, etc. Don't believe the McDonald's commercials.. it doesn't happen that often. Most multi cultural societies are doomed to fail - Yugoslavia, South Africa, Brazil... we'll be next. I don't think its has anything to do with culture. I think we do fine mixing. I think its all about economics/class distinction.
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Post by Harrier on Jul 8, 2016 9:17:37 GMT -5
Why can't murica be like all other civilised advanced nations? No armed civilians. No armed cawps. The only ones armed are the military and specialist police units to deal with extreme circumstances like terrorist threats etc Me and duke go out and don't need to worry if the cawps pull us over because neither of us is armed, I can protect myself against civilians using my fists or whatever. No one is losing their life over a busted tail light or scared to send their kids to school. Gun crime does happen here, infact Manchester used to be nicknamed "Gunchester" because of gang shootings, however they are few and far between because gun control is so tight. The last thing I want is for our cops to be disarmed. If anything I want our LEOs and first responders to have more tools, equipment and techniques available to them. Can only speak for myself but I have never feared for my life when dealing with police. But I was taught at a young age to close my mouth and open my ears and treat them with respect. Same for my teachers in school. I was arrested once and had my head bashed into a squad car (got a black eye) while in college so I guess I have been a "victim" of brutality. Certainly by today's standards. As saddened as I am for what happened I am hopeful for better days ahead bc I feel Dallas is in very good hands with their Police Chief and Mayor. Couldn't be prouder of how they responded. But why do either have to be armed. Most western civilised nations no one is armed, how is that not a good thing? It only takes one power pissed cop or one mentally ill civilian and you have what you've got. Humans can't be trusted to be armed IMO, guns are designed and made to kill, that's their purpose, some dickhead in a uniform or not will always find a way to abuse that power.
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Post by jdeacon on Jul 8, 2016 9:19:08 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just oblivious to what's actually goin on there. Listen I'm no tough guy, I can look after myself like most others can, just saying from the outside lookin in it looks like guns do more bad than good. This must be goin on in other countries? Look at the fusiliers, they hunt in packs and prey on the weak but not everyone is shooting each other up. I think the only country that compares to what is going on in the US today is Brazil... and that's much worse. It's what happens, in my opinion, when you have a former slave population that was not integrated / assimilated into the general population and you have them still crying about the past, and the general population holding them down until 50 years ago. AND, they look different... if we had Italians as slaves, for example, I don't think we'd have the problems we have because the Italians would mix eventually into the general population and you wouldn't have the legacy racism. But there is no race mixing in great numbers here. Cultural mixing (Poles marrying Swedes), but not blacks marrying whites, Asians marrying Hispanics, etc. Don't believe the McDonald's commercials.. it doesn't happen that often. Most multi cultural societies are doomed to fail - Yugoslavia, South Africa, Brazil... we'll be next. Exactly, the country is far too diversified, far too fractured. There are so many people with different moral standards, different values, the image of family has been shattered and no longer seems important to many people. So many clashing religious views, so much hatred for their fellow man. It is funny how certain holidays will make you question what is really going on in this country. With the 4th of July passing I really had to ask myself if I am proud to be an American? What does it even mean to be an American anymore? There are so many different groups all working against each other that this country is splitting at the seems with hate boiling over everywhere. Mixed families are rare, I would have zero problem if my son wanted to date anyone of any ethnicity but to believe this is the majorities viewpoint on the issue is insane. Racism is never going to go away, it is something that natural selection does, we all tend to gravitate to our own kind, whether that is Caucasian, Black, Asian or Hispanic, its amazing that it always happens regardless of a persons upbringing or the setting they are in. People who want all guns banished are living in a fairytale world. America is far too large with far too much wealth to be gained. Anyone who does not believe there is not an active and profitable illegal gun market constantly being funneled into this country is extremely naive. So we take the guns away from everyone, and now the criminals are the only ones with access to weapons? I am no gun nut but I do see the value in allowing people to protect themselves. Lets say the liberals get their way and guns become illegal to own and carry in this country. Does anyone think that is really going to stop the mass shootings and the act of violence we just witnessed these past few days? TL;DR This country is fucked and there really isn't an answer that will solve our problems.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 8, 2016 9:19:36 GMT -5
I think the only country that compares to what is going on in the US today is Brazil... and that's much worse. It's what happens, in my opinion, when you have a former slave population that was not integrated / assimilated into the general population and you have them still crying about the past, and the general population holding them down until 50 years ago. AND, they look different... if we had Italians as slaves, for example, I don't think we'd have the problems we have because the Italians would mix eventually into the general population and you wouldn't have the legacy racism. But there is no race mixing in great numbers here. Cultural mixing (Poles marrying Swedes), but not blacks marrying whites, Asians marrying Hispanics, etc. Don't believe the McDonald's commercials.. it doesn't happen that often. Most multi cultural societies are doomed to fail - Yugoslavia, South Africa, Brazil... we'll be next. I don't think its has anything to do with culture. I think we do fine mixing. I think its all about economics/class distinction. I agree that economics play a big role... but I still think it has to do with race as well. Would we be a much better society if everyone was middle or upper class and there were no poor people so to speak? Yes. I think violent crimes (except crimes of passion) would disappear. But do some lower class races/cultures/ethnicities act more uncivilized than others? Yes.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jul 8, 2016 9:20:15 GMT -5
Why can't murica be like all other civilised advanced nations? No armed civilians. No armed cawps. The only ones armed are the military and specialist police units to deal with extreme circumstances like terrorist threats etc Me and duke go out and don't need to worry if the cawps pull us over because neither of us is armed, I can protect myself against civilians using my fists or whatever. No one is losing their life over a busted tail light or scared to send their kids to school. Gun crime does happen here, infact Manchester used to be nicknamed "Gunchester" because of gang shootings, however they are few and far between because gun control is so tight. Part of the problem is the media, as well as who gets targeted in the mass shootings - when its a school, a nightclub, theres a white hot spotlight on it. Its not all bad here in the US. And there should be a spotlight on it, especially when its kids and other innocents being murdered. I live in a pretty multicultural city in NY State... black, hispanic, white, asian, etc. We have your normal crime - a drug deal, a drunken stabbing, robberies, the occasional shooting - and the cops deal with it. Just the other night, some skel was hiding in my neighbors yard; from what I gather the cops had chased him, and they were searching all the front yards at 11 pm at night because he may have ditched drugs or a weapon or whatever. But I'm not ducking on my way out of the house in the morning, and Im not fearful for my life... I've never been robbed, or mugged, and always had peaceful interactions with the police. I don't own a gun, but many neighbors do, for hunting and home security, and no one that I'm aware of has ever been shot by a legal gun owner in the 8 years I've lived here.
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