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Post by Ff2 on Jul 8, 2016 9:21:02 GMT -5
I think the only country that compares to what is going on in the US today is Brazil... and that's much worse. It's what happens, in my opinion, when you have a former slave population that was not integrated / assimilated into the general population and you have them still crying about the past, and the general population holding them down until 50 years ago. AND, they look different... if we had Italians as slaves, for example, I don't think we'd have the problems we have because the Italians would mix eventually into the general population and you wouldn't have the legacy racism. But there is no race mixing in great numbers here. Cultural mixing (Poles marrying Swedes), but not blacks marrying whites, Asians marrying Hispanics, etc. Don't believe the McDonald's commercials.. it doesn't happen that often. Most multi cultural societies are doomed to fail - Yugoslavia, South Africa, Brazil... we'll be next. Everyone isn't shooting or getting shot here either. It is a segment of our population that live in the inner cities that don't respect our laws or their fellow citizens. They are taught that it is ok to take rather than earn and are told they are victims from childhood. Outside of the cities it is very peaceful. I don't know why anyone would want to be anywhere near some of these neighborhoods. I know all the excuses about how hard it is to pick up and leave but join the military, they will get you out of there quickly and teach respect and a skill. I am sick of the excuses and people crying about how tough it is. It is tough for most of us. Grow a pair and contribute to society and earn rather than take. So what exactly is goin on? Is this shit like a civilian civil war? What's goin on in inner cities and is it race related most of the time? What are they doin that the the general population feels their only option is to carry a gun? My sister is married to an american but they live here, I have family in Washington but have never discussed this shit with them although I know the Washington sniper shit deeply affected them. From the outside lookin in perspective I look at cops gettin shot by snipers and innocent people getting killed in routine traffic stops, fuckin 4 year old kids gettin their school shot up and it just doesn't seem right in the eyes of the free world or a solution to the problem I personally couldn't live in a society where the welfare of myself and my family was at risk because you might happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get whacked over something so stupid. I mean, what happens when guns so easily available get into the hands of the mentally ill or terrorist? Well I guess we are finding out. I know guns are stitched into the fabric of american culture and I know first hand the power a gun gives the shooter, but there's no mention of inner city warfare in the mainstream media, all we are seeing is power pissed cops shooting innocent people and general public retaliating popping of cops, I mean this shit just isn't normal. I just hope all you bitches on here stay safe mms and don't get caught up in this shit one day. Despite the news, 99% of the population goes about their daily business unaffected by any of this. Which might be why it will never be solved. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 8, 2016 9:24:30 GMT -5
I don't think its has anything to do with culture. I think we do fine mixing. I think its all about economics/class distinction. I agree that economics play a big role... but I still think it has to do with race as well. Would we be a much better society if everyone was middle or upper class and there were no poor people so to speak? Yes. I think violent crimes (except crimes of passion) would disappear. But do some lower class races/cultures/ethnicities act more uncivilized than others? Yes. Yeah I refuse to believe that. Whats a lower class race?  Uneducated people in general are more prone to violence. |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 8, 2016 9:28:43 GMT -5
I agree that economics play a big role... but I still think it has to do with race as well. Would we be a much better society if everyone was middle or upper class and there were no poor people so to speak? Yes. I think violent crimes (except crimes of passion) would disappear. But do some lower class races/cultures/ethnicities act more uncivilized than others? Yes. Yeah I refuse to believe that. Whats a lower class race? Uneducated people in general are more prone to violence. Not lower class race... you read that wrong. I meant, people who are lower class in society (poor/uneducated/etc.) |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jul 8, 2016 9:29:43 GMT -5
So what exactly is goin on? Is this shit like a civilian civil war? What's goin on in inner cities and is it race related most of the time? What are they doin that the the general population feels their only option is to carry a gun? My sister is married to an american but they live here, I have family in Washington but have never discussed this shit with them although I know the Washington sniper shit deeply affected them. From the outside lookin in perspective I look at cops gettin shot by snipers and innocent people getting killed in routine traffic stops, fuckin 4 year old kids gettin their school shot up and it just doesn't seem right in the eyes of the free world or a solution to the problem I personally couldn't live in a society where the welfare of myself and my family was at risk because you might happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get whacked over something so stupid. I mean, what happens when guns so easily available get into the hands of the mentally ill or terrorist? Well I guess we are finding out. I know guns are stitched into the fabric of american culture and I know first hand the power a gun gives the shooter, but there's no mention of inner city warfare in the mainstream media, all we are seeing is power pissed cops shooting innocent people and general public retaliating popping of cops, I mean this shit just isn't normal. I just hope all you bitches on here stay safe mms and don't get caught up in this shit one day. Despite the news, 99% of the population goes about their daily business unaffected by any of this. ^^^ This. We have 300M+ people in the US. Most of us arent living in danger. Now, as a husband of an elementary school teacher, do I on occasion worry about some nut shooting up a school? Yeah, I do. I really feel that America is such a unique situation when it comes to guns and gun culture, it would take extreme measures to move the needle either way. And then there's still the illegal gun trade... I often wonder, do other countries successfully clamp down on that, and if so, how? |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2016 9:29:55 GMT -5
The last thing I want is for our cops to be disarmed. If anything I want our LEOs and first responders to have more tools, equipment and techniques available to them. Can only speak for myself but I have never feared for my life when dealing with police. But I was taught at a young age to close my mouth and open my ears and treat them with respect. Same for my teachers in school. I was arrested once and had my head bashed into a squad car (got a black eye) while in college so I guess I have been a "victim" of brutality. Certainly by today's standards. As saddened as I am for what happened I am hopeful for better days ahead bc I feel Dallas is in very good hands with their Police Chief and Mayor. Couldn't be prouder of how they responded. But why do either have to be armed. Most western civilised nations no one is armed, how is that not a good thing? It only takes one power pissed cop or one mentally ill civilian and you have what you've got. Humans can't be trusted to be armed IMO, guns are designed and made to kill, that's their purpose, some dickhead in a uniform or not will always find a way to abuse that power. Its very simple for me. Guns exist. There is no button you can press to delete them all from existence. Until such a button exists I will always be in favor of an armed police force bc I understand that although man is capable of great things he is equally capable of evil. And as long as man walks this earth there will be murders, rapists, pedophiles, racists, etc. Our police are essentially our keepers of civilization. But they are also human and because of that there will be bad ones. But as we are learning today there are far many more great ones. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 9:31:05 GMT -5
Time to ban guns so the murdering police can protect us all from busted tail lights amirite?? yep wrap your head around THAT quagmire. You don't tell the cop when and what you are going to reach for, he will tell you, especially when you tell him there is a gun in the car. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2016 9:32:38 GMT -5
I agree that economics play a big role... but I still think it has to do with race as well. Would we be a much better society if everyone was middle or upper class and there were no poor people so to speak? Yes. I think violent crimes (except crimes of passion) would disappear. But do some lower class races/cultures/ethnicities act more uncivilized than others? Yes. Yeah I refuse to believe that. Whats a lower class race? Uneducated people in general are more prone to violence. There are other cultures in parts of the world that have not gone through the enlightenment. Their state-sanctioned treatment of women, gays, religious minorities, etc serves as example. I have no problem claiming moral superiority over them from an institutional perspective. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 8, 2016 9:36:06 GMT -5
Yeah I refuse to believe that. Whats a lower class race? Uneducated people in general are more prone to violence. There are other cultures in parts of the world that have not gone through the enlightenment. Their state-sanctioned treatment of women, gays, religious minorities, etc serves as example. I have no problem claiming moral superiority over them from an institutional perspective. Agreed. I'm using "uneducated", you're using enlightened. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jul 8, 2016 9:36:28 GMT -5
Yeah I refuse to believe that. Whats a lower class race? Uneducated people in general are more prone to violence. There are other cultures in parts of the world that have not gone through the enlightenment. Their state-sanctioned treatment of women, gays, religious minorities, etc serves as example. I have no problem claiming moral superiority over them from an institutional perspective. I could be way off base, but I think he was talking about here in the US. Apologies in advance if Im wrong. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jul 8, 2016 9:36:53 GMT -5
Yeah I refuse to believe that. Whats a lower class race? Uneducated people in general are more prone to violence. Not lower class race... you read that wrong. I meant, people who are lower class in society (poor/uneducated/etc.) Understood, sorry. |
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Post by Trades on Jul 8, 2016 9:42:52 GMT -5
I agree that economics play a big role... but I still think it has to do with race as well. Would we be a much better society if everyone was middle or upper class and there were no poor people so to speak? Yes. I think violent crimes (except crimes of passion) would disappear. But do some lower class races/cultures/ethnicities act more uncivilized than others? Yes. Yeah I refuse to believe that. Whats a lower class race? Uneducated people in general are more prone to violence. This is very true. Education is the most important thing that will raise you up. America gives everyone a chance to get educated. If you are poor there are a lot of FREE ways to go to college but so many people don't take advantage of the FREE school you get from Pre-K through 12 let alone college. Almost everyone in America has access to the internet also but most use it to watch porn, play games or watch tv shows rather than taking advantage of the FREE education on sites such as Khan Academy and other similar sites. If you don't have internet access in your home you can get it at school or at the public library. So many of us sit in FREE classes until we are 18 and do everything we can to NOT learn rather than take advantage of this gift from society. This is the result of poor parenting and an entitlement attitude. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Is it the easy way? Absolutely not, but education is the only way to raise yourself up whether you are learning a trade, skill or going to college. Any other path is a request for a hard and dangerous life. Crime might get you there temporarily but you will lose in the end. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2016 9:44:52 GMT -5
There are other cultures in parts of the world that have not gone through the enlightenment. Their state-sanctioned treatment of women, gays, religious minorities, etc serves as example. I have no problem claiming moral superiority over them from an institutional perspective. I could be way off base, but I think he was talking about here in the US. Apologies in advance if Im wrong. Well there are people here in the US that are mentally in the stone ages as well. We are not immune. But thankfully very few of them have true positions of power. |
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Post by Big L on Jul 8, 2016 9:45:49 GMT -5
Harrier - are there guns in UK to hunt with? Is hunting illegal?
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Post by Harrier on Jul 8, 2016 9:57:39 GMT -5
But why do either have to be armed. Most western civilised nations no one is armed, how is that not a good thing? It only takes one power pissed cop or one mentally ill civilian and you have what you've got. Humans can't be trusted to be armed IMO, guns are designed and made to kill, that's their purpose, some dickhead in a uniform or not will always find a way to abuse that power. Its very simple for me. Guns exist. There is no button you can press to delete them all from existence. Until such a button exists I will always be in favor of an armed police force bc I understand that although man is capable of great things he is equally capable of evil. And as long as man walks this earth there will be murders, rapists, pedophiles, racists, etc. Our police are essentially our keepers of civilization. But they are also human and because of that there will be bad ones. But as we are learning today there are far many more great ones. But those crimes happen whether guns exist or not, the fact you have them does not eradicate them, the fact we don't doesn't either. Look at the terrorist attack in France, they got attracted by a a terrorist gunman and they responded with a specialised armed police unit designed for that threat. There's no need for civilians and everyday cops to have guns, and you certainly don't need then to enforce the law. |
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Post by 2foolish on Jul 8, 2016 10:04:02 GMT -5
i love how this guy is a "sniper' but the cops in LA. and MN. are white...
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