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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2016 10:08:27 GMT -5
Its very simple for me. Guns exist. There is no button you can press to delete them all from existence. Until such a button exists I will always be in favor of an armed police force bc I understand that although man is capable of great things he is equally capable of evil. And as long as man walks this earth there will be murders, rapists, pedophiles, racists, etc. Our police are essentially our keepers of civilization. But they are also human and because of that there will be bad ones. But as we are learning today there are far many more great ones. But those crimes happen whether guns exist or not, the fact you have them does not eradicate them, the fact we don't doesn't either. Look at the terrorist attack in France, they got attracted by a a terrorist gunman and they responded with a specialised armed police unit designed for that threat. There's no need for civilians and everyday cops to have guns, and you certainly don't need then to enforce the law. Honestly I dont know if you're arguing for or against guns based on this response. What is your definition of "everyday cop"? I will have you know that are "beat officers" which I think is what you mean by that are now trained during active shooter situations to not wait for backup. Time taken = more casualties. They are taught to go in and engage if need be in order to save as many lives as possible. Would you have them spray them with pepper? I know I have said this before but this Police Chief, David Brown, is just exceptional. The transparency he has given us is something our government officials can learn from. We need to know who these people are and why they do these things. We dont need to scrub their statements like what happened in Orlando. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2016 10:10:13 GMT -5
i love how this guy is a "sniper' but the cops in LA. and MN. are white... The police chief went into great detail about one of the gunmen and what he said in regards to why he did this. He didnt sugar coat anything. You can find the video. The media will do what the media does. Their chief purpose is not providing information, it is generating revenue. You have to always take that into consideration . |
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Post by 2foolish on Jul 8, 2016 10:13:58 GMT -5
i love how this guy is a "sniper' but the cops in LA. and MN. are white... The police chief went into great detail about one of the gunmen and what he said in regards to why he did this. He didnt sugar coat anything. You can find the video. The media will do what the media does. Their chief purpose is not providing information, it is generating revenue. You have to always take that into consideration . the Media fans the rare white on black crime and ignores black on black and white crime... |
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Post by Harrier on Jul 8, 2016 10:15:47 GMT -5
Harrier - are there guns in UK to hunt with? Is hunting illegal? I'll talk you through how it is here my friend. Guns are illegal period. The only guns that are legal are huntin weapons, the owners are history vetted and have to keep them out of sight and locked in a safe style closet when not being used to hunt. Now there are gun shootings here amongst gangs but the weapon to population is very tiny, if you are found to have an illegal gun you will be looking at a very heavy prison sentence and there's a zero tolerance to illegal weapons from police. It's also incredibly hard to get them onto this island due to strict gun border control. So the majority of civilians are unarmed so everyday police are unarmed, yet they manage to enforce the law no problem. We do have armed police but they are specialist units and are visible at airports, tube stations and other high profile events. We recently had a politician killed here, but the shooter made a homemade gun. If I wanted to kill someone I wouldn't have the first clue or who to see to get an illegal weapon, maybe a manchester gang but fuck that. If we do have disorder like riots, it can take time to get control but ultimately it will end with no loss of life. If someone rear end my car we get out and have an altercation and it would end with fists or a knife tops. It's a great piece of mind to go about your daily business knowing your chance of being caught up in gun violence is close to zero. I'm summing it's roughly the same in France but duke would have to clarify. |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 8, 2016 10:16:09 GMT -5
i love how this guy is a "sniper' but the cops in LA. and MN. are white... The police chief went into great detail about one of the gunmen and what he said in regards to why he did this. He didnt sugar coat anything. You can find the video. The media will do what the media does. Their chief purpose is not providing information, it is generating revenue. You have to always take that into consideration . I think many media outlets have an agenda besides generating revenue.. how does not calling the sniper BLACK help revenue? |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jul 8, 2016 10:19:31 GMT -5
I could be way off base, but I think he was talking about here in the US. Apologies in advance if Im wrong. Well there are people here in the US that are mentally in the stone ages as well. We are not immune. But thankfully very few of them have true positions of power. This is true. And I think that goes across race. It just gets amplified because much of the inner city violence is black on black. There's plenty of ignorant, uneducated poor whites cooking meth in the Appalachians but they're not living on top of each other in the Chicago ghetto shooting each other, so they make the news even less than inner city shootings do, which is already a blip on the news cycle. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2016 10:20:37 GMT -5
The police chief went into great detail about one of the gunmen and what he said in regards to why he did this. He didnt sugar coat anything. You can find the video. The media will do what the media does. Their chief purpose is not providing information, it is generating revenue. You have to always take that into consideration . the Media fans the rare white on black crime and ignores black on black and white crime... Yes they do. But they do that because white on black generates ratings, sells ad space and gets clicks on the internet. Black on black isnt sexy. |
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Post by 2foolish on Jul 8, 2016 10:24:28 GMT -5
the Media fans the rare white on black crime and ignores black on black and white crime... Yes they do. But they do that because white on black generates ratings, sells ad space and gets clicks on the internet. Black on black isnt sexy. yes and they create this false narrative that blacks are under attack by whites and white cops...so is the media indirectly responsible for the 5 cops that got shot...CNN has had an orgasm the last few days on the shootings in LA. and MN... |
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Post by Harrier on Jul 8, 2016 10:27:14 GMT -5
But those crimes happen whether guns exist or not, the fact you have them does not eradicate them, the fact we don't doesn't either. Look at the terrorist attack in France, they got attracted by a a terrorist gunman and they responded with a specialised armed police unit designed for that threat. There's no need for civilians and everyday cops to have guns, and you certainly don't need then to enforce the law. Honestly I dont know if you're arguing for or against guns based on this response. What is your definition of "everyday cop"? I will have you know that are "beat officers" which I think is what you mean by that are now trained during active shooter situations to not wait for backup. Time taken = more casualties. They are taught to go in and engage if need be in order to save as many lives as possible. Would you have them spray them with pepper? I know I have said this before but this Police Chief, David Brown, is just exceptional. The transparency he has given us is something our government officials can learn from. We need to know who these people are and why they do these things. We dont need to scrub their statements like what happened in Orlando. Sorry dude I typed that out quick. I've explained this in another post, but here civilians are not armed so your everyday traffic stopping beat police officer has no reason to be. If we have a terrorist attack or illegal weapon handling nut, then there are armed specialised tactical police units trained to deal with those circumstances should they arise, but you barley ever see them. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jul 8, 2016 10:29:06 GMT -5
Harrier - are there guns in UK to hunt with? Is hunting illegal? I'll talk you through how it is here my friend. Guns are illegal period. The only guns that are legal are huntin weapons, the owners are history vetted and have to keep them out of sight and locked in a safe style closet when not being used to hunt. Now there are gun shootings here amongst gangs but the weapon to population is very tiny, if you are found to have an illegal gun you will be looking at a very heavy prison sentence and there's a zero tolerance to illegal weapons from police. It's also incredibly hard to get them onto this island due to strict gun border control. So the majority of civilians are unarmed so everyday police are unarmed, yet they manage to enforce the law no problem. We do have armed police but they are specialist units and are visible at airports, tube stations and other high profile events. We recently had a politician killed here, but the shooter made a homemade gun. If I wanted to kill someone I wouldn't have the first clue or who to see to get an illegal weapon, maybe a manchester gang but fuck that. If we do have disorder like riots, it can take time to get control but ultimately it will end with no loss of life. If someone rear end my car we get out and have an altercation and it would end with fists or a knife tops. It's a great piece of mind to go about your daily business knowing your chance of being caught up in gun violence is close to zero. I'm summing it's roughly the same in France but duke would have to clarify. Sounds much like Australia from what I've read. You can own a gun to hunt or shoot, but there are strict guidelines to qualify for that. Did the UK do a similar gun buyback sort of deal as Australia or was it always that way? You guys, and France too, are around 60-70 M population? Australia is 20-25 M or so? The US has over 300 M people and according to the numbers, over 300 M guns. For better or worse, we really are a very unique country. The guy i mentioned earlier hiding in my neighbors yard... when the cops found him, they tazed him because he tried to resist arrest. But what if he had a gun and the officer(s) did not? |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jul 8, 2016 10:33:21 GMT -5
Why can't murica be like all other civilised advanced nations? No armed civilians. No armed cawps. The only ones armed are the military and specialist police units to deal with extreme circumstances like terrorist threats etc Me and duke go out and don't need to worry if the cawps pull us over because neither of us is armed, I can protect myself against civilians using my fists or whatever. No one is losing their life over a busted tail light or scared to send their kids to school. Gun crime does happen here, infact Manchester used to be nicknamed "Gunchester" because of gang shootings, however they are few and far between because gun control is so tight. If Americans weren't armed to the teeth than the Kind of England could come in our houses and rough up our families. :0) |
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Post by Harrier on Jul 8, 2016 10:45:33 GMT -5
I'll talk you through how it is here my friend. Guns are illegal period. The only guns that are legal are huntin weapons, the owners are history vetted and have to keep them out of sight and locked in a safe style closet when not being used to hunt. Now there are gun shootings here amongst gangs but the weapon to population is very tiny, if you are found to have an illegal gun you will be looking at a very heavy prison sentence and there's a zero tolerance to illegal weapons from police. It's also incredibly hard to get them onto this island due to strict gun border control. So the majority of civilians are unarmed so everyday police are unarmed, yet they manage to enforce the law no problem. We do have armed police but they are specialist units and are visible at airports, tube stations and other high profile events. We recently had a politician killed here, but the shooter made a homemade gun. If I wanted to kill someone I wouldn't have the first clue or who to see to get an illegal weapon, maybe a manchester gang but fuck that. If we do have disorder like riots, it can take time to get control but ultimately it will end with no loss of life. If someone rear end my car we get out and have an altercation and it would end with fists or a knife tops. It's a great piece of mind to go about your daily business knowing your chance of being caught up in gun violence is close to zero. I'm summing it's roughly the same in France but duke would have to clarify. Sounds much like Australia from what I've read. You can own a gun to hunt or shoot, but there are strict guidelines to qualify for that. Did the UK do a similar gun buyback sort of deal as Australia or was it always that way? You guys, and France too, are around 60-70 M population? Australia is 20-25 M or so? The US has over 300 M people and according to the numbers, over 300 M guns. For better or worse, we really are a very unique country. The guy i mentioned earlier hiding in my neighbors yard... when the cops found him, they tazed him because he tried to resist arrest. But what if he had a gun and the officer(s) did not? Here are our everyday cops unarmed.  And here's the specialist trained counter terrorism police who would also deal in the unlikely event of a rouge Gunman.   That at might be the problem right there my friend, you have more guns than there are people. I would be surprised if there's half a million illegal guns in the U.K to 70 million people. To answer your question, the police who tasered the dude are armed because it's more than likely the civilian is, here the police know 9/10 the civilian is unarmed where U.S officers are probably expecting the reverse ratio. quick question....when those snipers where firing, do you send in swat teams or are normal officers also expected to engage? |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jul 8, 2016 10:49:25 GMT -5
I think the only country that compares to what is going on in the US today is Brazil... and that's much worse. It's what happens, in my opinion, when you have a former slave population that was not integrated / assimilated into the general population and you have them still crying about the past, and the general population holding them down until 50 years ago. AND, they look different... if we had Italians as slaves, for example, I don't think we'd have the problems we have because the Italians would mix eventually into the general population and you wouldn't have the legacy racism. But there is no race mixing in great numbers here. Cultural mixing (Poles marrying Swedes), but not blacks marrying whites, Asians marrying Hispanics, etc. Don't believe the McDonald's commercials.. it doesn't happen that often. Most multi cultural societies are doomed to fail - Yugoslavia, South Africa, Brazil... we'll be next. Everyone isn't shooting or getting shot here either. It is a segment of our population that live in the inner cities that don't respect our laws or their fellow citizens. They are taught that it is ok to take rather than earn and are told they are victims from childhood. Outside of the cities it is very peaceful. I don't know why anyone would want to be anywhere near some of these neighborhoods. I know all the excuses about how hard it is to pick up and leave but join the military, they will get you out of there quickly and teach respect and a skill. I am sick of the excuses and people crying about how tough it is. It is tough for most of us. Grow a pair and contribute to society and earn rather than take. So what exactly is goin on? Is this shit like a civilian civil war? What's goin on in inner cities and is it race related most of the time? What are they doin that the the general population feels their only option is to carry a gun? My sister is married to an american but they live here, I have family in Washington but have never discussed this shit with them although I know the Washington sniper shit deeply affected them. From the outside lookin in perspective I look at cops gettin shot by snipers and innocent people getting killed in routine traffic stops, fuckin 4 year old kids gettin their school shot up and it just doesn't seem right in the eyes of the free world or a solution to the problem I personally couldn't live in a society where the welfare of myself and my family was at risk because you might happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get whacked over something so stupid. I mean, what happens when guns so easily available get into the hands of the mentally ill or terrorist? Well I guess we are finding out. I know guns are stitched into the fabric of american culture and I know first hand the power a gun gives the shooter, but there's no mention of inner city warfare in the mainstream media, all we are seeing is power pissed cops shooting innocent people and general public retaliating popping of cops, I mean this shit just isn't normal. I just hope all you bitches on here stay safe mms and don't get caught up in this shit one day. Harrier - it's certainly not as bad as it looks. The media does fan the flames and every shooting is amplified. But, it does seem like it is happening more and more. That being said, I live in NYC and Ft. Lauderdale and never ever fear that I may got popped walking down the street no matter where I am (and, some of the neighborhoods in Ft. Lauderdale are worse than NYC). These mass shootings are still rare occurances for the most part. It's safe here man. Except it's very very dangerous at Jets games. All the issues that everyone is speaking about in this thread converges at Jets games - lower class, poor, uneducated, gun loving, racists, muslims, white supremists, cracker cops, drunk micks (especially when Fitz is there), gays, dykes, ex-convicts, rapists, escaped convicts - these are the core Jets fans. And, these are the lovely people who attend Jets games at Met Death. If you want to see a post apocolyptic world (like Mad Max) attend a Jets game. Scary scary stuff. But, as long as you steer clear of Jets games and Jets fans, then America is still a beautiful, peaceful, loving place. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2016 10:51:16 GMT -5
Yes they do. But they do that because white on black generates ratings, sells ad space and gets clicks on the internet. Black on black isnt sexy. yes and they create this false narrative that blacks are under attack by whites and white cops...so is the media indirectly responsible for the 5 cops that got shot...CNN has had an orgasm the last few days on the shootings in LA. and MN... We live in very interesting times. Did our founding fathers envision a 24 hour news cycle driven by ratings and social media that can be essentially weaponized when writing the first amendment? Did they envision billionaire-funded protests where some of the protestors are literally bused into events? Everyone likes to talk about modern weapons and the second amendment but a smart phones and social media have created new platforms that can breed unrest. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jul 8, 2016 10:54:58 GMT -5
yes and they create this false narrative that blacks are under attack by whites and white cops...so is the media indirectly responsible for the 5 cops that got shot...CNN has had an orgasm the last few days on the shootings in LA. and MN... We live in very interesting times. Did our founding fathers envision a 24 hour news cycle driven by ratings and social media that can be essentially weaponized when writing the first amendment? Did they envision billionaire-funded protests where some of the protestors are literally bused into events? Everyone likes to talk about modern weapons and the second amendment but a smart phones and social media have created new platforms that can breed unrest.  |
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