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Post by 2foolish on Jan 26, 2017 16:39:42 GMT -5
We waste hundreds of bilions on BS projects that could build the wall. Id like to fix a bridge or two. so go ahead...its called taxes..that the Dems have no idea how to use... |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 26, 2017 16:44:54 GMT -5
because when Russia decides to take over Europe, like Nazi Germany tried, we're in for a world of hurt, instead of just defending Europe from the start with NATO which Russia won't go against. Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it. Exactly. However, I don't think that you will be getting too much traction with that argument in this neighborhood. So, fuck it. Show me more bikini clad babes. Why is it that when someone asks you, VTN, or anyone from the left a question you refuse to answer? |
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Post by vin on Jan 26, 2017 16:52:40 GMT -5
If Hilary became President, we would be in a world of Hurt since we'd be going to war with Russia. At least Trump is going to make an effort to establish good relations with Putin so we won't be in their crosshairs should the shit hit the fan. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of our country getting involved in OTHER countries wars. FUCK THAT SHIT. WORRY ABOUT US. HERE. AMERICA. PERIOD. ABSOLUTELY! Unless they got oil or something we need. I've always wondered why you have -21 reps...... |
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Post by Ff2 on Jan 26, 2017 16:53:53 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY! Unless they got oil or something we need. I've always wondered why you have -21 reps...... HA! You're a 2%er.  |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 26, 2017 16:54:18 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY! Unless they got oil or something we need. I've always wondered why you have -21 reps...... He spits rather then swallows. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 26, 2017 17:00:57 GMT -5
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Post by porgyman on Jan 26, 2017 17:10:59 GMT -5
Exactly. However, I don't think that you will be getting too much traction with that argument in this neighborhood. So, fuck it. Show me more bikini clad babes. Why is it that when someone asks you, VTN, or anyone from the left a question you refuse to answer? Because quite frankly, I was dumbfounded by your response. However, let me try to respond. Your question is why should we worry about defending Europe or Sweden, etc. at the risk of harming Americans. Correct? Short answer. There is a reason why 2 world wars, a cold war, and continuing conflict takes place. European countries all are great places. However, they lack one thing. Land mass. Which brings with it natural resources. Thus, when a country like Germany decides to invade Poland. Or a country like Russia invades Uzbekistan, or the classic example of Japan and China, it is not because they dislike the people there. It is to gain land mass and access to natural resources. Why should we care? If Russia was to gain control of all of Europe, they would overnight become the pre-eminent world power. With immense natural resources (think North Sea oil in addition to organic Russian reserves). Now, strategic military importance. Lets say that we give up on Europe. First country to feel the effect? Israel. Why? Because without access to military installations in Europe, they are sitting ducks. And speaking of sitting ducks....we would be in the same position. Except it would be from a strategic economic standpoint. Because if I was Mexico (and even Canada), I would tie my fortunes to Russia and/or China. Which would then cause YUGEEEE (to quote Trump) issues here. This is why it is important to care about and protect Europe. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 26, 2017 17:38:45 GMT -5
Why is it that when someone asks you, VTN, or anyone from the left a question you refuse to answer? Because quite frankly, I was dumbfounded by your response. However, let me try to respond. Your question is why should we worry about defending Europe or Sweden, etc. at the risk of harming Americans. Correct? Short answer. There is a reason why 2 world wars, a cold war, and continuing conflict takes place. European countries all are great places. However, they lack one thing. Land mass. Which brings with it natural resources. Thus, when a country like Germany decides to invade Poland. Or a country like Russia invades Uzbekistan, or the classic example of Japan and China, it is not because they dislike the people there. It is to gain land mass and access to natural resources. Why should we care? If Russia was to gain control of all of Europe, they would overnight become the pre-eminent world power. With immense natural resources (think North Sea oil in addition to organic Russian reserves). Now, strategic military importance. Lets say that we give up on Europe. First country to feel the effect? Israel. Why? Because without access to military installations in Europe, they are sitting ducks. And speaking of sitting ducks....we would be in the same position. Except it would be from a strategic economic standpoint. Because if I was Mexico (and even Canada), I would tie my fortunes to Russia and/or China. Which would then cause YUGEEEE (to quote Trump) issues here. This is why it is important to care about and protect Europe. Really my question was more of why you feel it's important to protect Europe at the expense of Americans. Obviously Europe feels it's defense is important, thus the creation of NATO. All NATO signees agreed to pay 2% of their GDP to fund its own defense. They aren't living up to their obligations. Over time we have picked up the slack but we can't afford to do it anymore. And thanks for sticking around. |
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Post by flushingjet on Jan 26, 2017 17:53:09 GMT -5
Just a quick question. Let's assume the wall gets built. A big, glorious wall. Afterwards, Mexican drug lords are pissed off. They decide to set explosive charges on the Mexican side of the wall, causing significant portions of the wall to collapse. Who pays for the rebuilding of the wall? They have to get through the 1/8 mile wide 50' deep frito-n-piranha filled moat first |
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Post by porgyman on Jan 26, 2017 17:57:04 GMT -5
Because quite frankly, I was dumbfounded by your response. However, let me try to respond. Your question is why should we worry about defending Europe or Sweden, etc. at the risk of harming Americans. Correct? Short answer. There is a reason why 2 world wars, a cold war, and continuing conflict takes place. European countries all are great places. However, they lack one thing. Land mass. Which brings with it natural resources. Thus, when a country like Germany decides to invade Poland. Or a country like Russia invades Uzbekistan, or the classic example of Japan and China, it is not because they dislike the people there. It is to gain land mass and access to natural resources. Why should we care? If Russia was to gain control of all of Europe, they would overnight become the pre-eminent world power. With immense natural resources (think North Sea oil in addition to organic Russian reserves). Now, strategic military importance. Lets say that we give up on Europe. First country to feel the effect? Israel. Why? Because without access to military installations in Europe, they are sitting ducks. And speaking of sitting ducks....we would be in the same position. Except it would be from a strategic economic standpoint. Because if I was Mexico (and even Canada), I would tie my fortunes to Russia and/or China. Which would then cause YUGEEEE (to quote Trump) issues here. This is why it is important to care about and protect Europe. Really my question was more of why you feel it's important to protect Europe at the expense of Americans. Obviously Europe feels it's defense is important, thus the creation of NATO. All NATO signees agreed to pay 2% of their GDP to fund its own defense. They aren't living up to their obligations. Over time we have picked up the slack but we can't afford to do it anymore. And thanks for sticking around. Because, I don't feel that ultimately it is at the expense of Americans. If they paid more for their defense costs, would it help us? In theory yes....if all of those savings were rolled into the American economy. However, if we don't provide the needed military support to Europe, we will pay far more in the future. So my answer is more of a long term thing.... |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 26, 2017 17:59:23 GMT -5
Do you really think Russia is going to gain control of Europe? I think that would be more of an indictment of Europe than Russia.
If anything, Trump will make Europe strengthen itself by forcing them to adhere to NATO requirements. And that would lessen the likelihood of Russian aggression.
Russia just wants to be heard. They want a place at the table. Putin wants to look like he is a player on the world stage. He is much more predictable than China, N Korea or Iran. Having a functional relationship with Russia will benefit us.
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Post by flushingjet on Jan 26, 2017 17:59:31 GMT -5
^ like we exterminated the Viet Cong? You guys kill me. And I said nothing partisan, so what is the reset/fixation with the former Admin? Jeez my wife's conversations are easier to digest. Do you cook them in crystallized cottonseed oil. The long and shortnin' of it is, my wife's chiacchierone-ish yammerings fry up so light an' deelishus, they make me feel spry |
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Post by porgyman on Jan 26, 2017 18:00:12 GMT -5
Just a quick question. Let's assume the wall gets built. A big, glorious wall. Afterwards, Mexican drug lords are pissed off. They decide to set explosive charges on the Mexican side of the wall, causing significant portions of the wall to collapse. Who pays for the rebuilding of the wall? They have to get through the 1/8 mile wide 50' deep frito-n-piranha filled moat first LOL. Since the proposal today was to levy a 20% tax on Mexican imports (which the White House has backed off on later in the day), perhaps we can just fill it with all of those Mexican avocados as well? After all, I'm not going to pay 5 bucks for an avocado. Then maybe they can all just make guacamole for everyone!  |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jan 26, 2017 18:00:48 GMT -5
Really my question was more of why you feel it's important to protect Europe at the expense of Americans. Obviously Europe feels it's defense is important, thus the creation of NATO. All NATO signees agreed to pay 2% of their GDP to fund its own defense. They aren't living up to their obligations. Over time we have picked up the slack but we can't afford to do it anymore. And thanks for sticking around. Because, I don't feel that ultimately it is at the expense of Americans. If they paid more for their defense costs, would it help us? In theory yes....if all of those savings were rolled into the American economy. However, if we don't provide the needed military support to Europe, we will pay far more in the future. So my answer is more of a long term thing.... The greatest threat to Europe is already there. Middle eastern migrants. And they didn't have to invade or occupy. The door was opened for them. |
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Post by porgyman on Jan 26, 2017 18:10:23 GMT -5
Do you really think Russia is going to gain control of Europe? I think that would be more of an indictment of Europe than Russia. If anything, Trump will make Europe strengthen itself by forcing them to adhere to NATO requirements. And that would lessen the likelihood of Russian aggression. Russia just wants to be heard. They want a place at the table. Putin wants to look like he is a player on the world stage. He is much more predictable than China, N Korea or Iran. Having a functional relationship with Russia will benefit us. Ultimately, if given the opportunity, I do think that Russia would not hesitate to seek expansion. Their history suggests this. Both during WWII, and more recently, in the Crimea area, Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan. If I was to rank the countries in terms of dysfunctional predictability, I would go: 1) North Korea. That guy is fucking nuts. 2) Russia - Putin is waiting for the day when he can expand their sphere of influence....and borders 3) Iran - Current Iran leadership is actually pretty predictable. 4) China - Almost everything with them revolves around money. How can they continue to feed that huge population. In order to do this, they need favorable trade deals all over the place. The current issue in the South China Sea has as its very roots cultural issues between China and Japan and Vietnam. |
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