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Post by JStokes on Dec 16, 2016 22:51:26 GMT -5
Take Fournette off the draft board. He is sitting out the citrus bowl so his ankle can get to 100% (for the combine I presume). To me, this says he is exactly the type of player the Jets do NOT want in their locker room. 100%. Super talent. Obsessed with his money. Reminds me of another all time great Jet. This dude is Revis all over again with his handlers advising him how best to maximize every dollar. _ |
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Post by RobR on Dec 16, 2016 23:07:09 GMT -5
Take Fournette off the draft board. He is sitting out the citrus bowl so his ankle can get to 100% (for the combine I presume). To me, this says he is exactly the type of player the Jets do NOT want in their locker room. That's a huge red flag for me. I honestly have no opinion on Fournette yet because I've barely seen him play, but I'll get around to it. What do you think of Dalvin Cook? My boner pants are growing larger by the day watching Cook. |
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Post by RobR on Dec 16, 2016 23:09:30 GMT -5
Take Fournette off the draft board. He is sitting out the citrus bowl so his ankle can get to 100% (for the combine I presume). To me, this says he is exactly the type of player the Jets do NOT want in their locker room. 100%. Super talent. Obsessed with his money. Reminds me of another all time great Jet. This dude is Revis all over again with his handlers advising him how best to maximize every dollar. _ Would you compare him to a Trent Richardson? I absolutely loved TR coming out, but he lost all of his passion once "he made it". |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 16, 2016 23:52:03 GMT -5
Would you compare him to a Trent Richardson? I absolutely loved TR coming out, but he lost all of his passion once "he made it". That is my biggest fear. I'm not saying he's going to be bad. He has some elite traits, but a lot of people are saying he's AP. I don't see it. To me he's a lot closer Trent Richardson than AP. I'm hoping I'm wrong because I already know we'll pick him over Cook if they're both available. |
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Post by JStokes on Dec 17, 2016 0:15:18 GMT -5
100%. Super talent. Obsessed with his money. Reminds me of another all time great Jet. This dude is Revis all over again with his handlers advising him how best to maximize every dollar. _ Would you compare him to a Trent Richardson? I absolutely loved TR coming out, but he lost all of his passion once "he made it". No. I think he's 100x the talent of Richardson. He's AP like. He's Marcus Dupree. He's Herschel Walker. I just think he's got advisors that are going to curtail his "availability". _ |
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Post by Paradis on Dec 17, 2016 17:30:11 GMT -5
Quite honestly, the Fournette train is writing cheques his college career can't cash. He has elite downhill running speed, but it gets murky past that. Fournette's ability to win is leveraged too heavily on his size/speed. Yes, he shoots through the line like a cannonball -- past that -- he's average as a receiver, potentially injury prone, murmurs if a me-first mentality, and really -- was taken out of some big games completely. He's more nimble at the second level than I initially thought though.. Still trying to decide if that's a mirage or a real skill. David Johnson had that in spades.
There's similarities there with AP of course, but AP I think was a better, patient pure running-back. He could redirect based running lanes; start/stopping etc. I don't see that with Fournette. He's learned to maximize what he is good at - and because of that, he's an elite playmaker. Game flow, scheme, down and distance -- will impact his productivity. That's a legit flaw.
Do I think Fournette is worthy of a 1st round pick? 100%. But he doesn't have the natural running ability of Elliot, nor the versatility of Cook.
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Post by JStokes on Dec 18, 2016 1:09:28 GMT -5
Quite honestly, the Fournette train is writing cheques his college career can't cash. He has elite downhill running speed, but it gets murky past that. Fournette's ability to win is leveraged too heavily on his size/speed. Yes, he shoots through the line like a cannonball -- past that -- he's average as a receiver, potentially injury prone, murmurs if a me-first mentality, and really -- was taken out of some big games completely. He's more nimble at the second level than I initially thought though.. Still trying to decide if that's a mirage or a real skill. David Johnson had that in spades. There's similarities there with AP of course, but AP I think was a better, patient pure running-back. He could redirect based running lanes; start/stopping etc. I don't see that with Fournette. He's learned to maximize what he is good at - and because of that, he's an elite playmaker. Game flow, scheme, down and distance -- will impact his productivity. That's a legit flaw. Do I think Fournette is worthy of a 1st round pick? 100%. But he doesn't have the natural running ability of Elliot, nor the versatility of Cook. I think the versatility of Cook is really intriguing. _ |
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 19, 2016 9:26:31 GMT -5
Another RB skipping his bowl game to prep for the draft.
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Post by tinstar on Dec 19, 2016 13:11:26 GMT -5
I get why these guys are doing what they are doing, but If this is all about the money, then it's always going to be about the money. When it's about the money, will you always be making business decisions out on the field ? If it's me, I drop you down a peg on my draft board .
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Post by RobR on Dec 19, 2016 14:17:32 GMT -5
I get why these guys are doing what they are doing, but If this is all about the money, then it's always going to be about the money. When it's about the money, will you always be making business decisions out on the field ? If it's me, I drop you down a peg on my draft board . Just think how their teammates must feel. Take out an insurance policy and play the damn game. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 19, 2016 14:22:00 GMT -5
Another RB skipping his bowl game to prep for the draft. If you are skipping your bowl game for draft prep, you'd better dam well kill at the combine and blow coaches away in the chalk talk. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 19, 2016 14:26:22 GMT -5
I get why these guys are doing what they are doing, but If this is all about the money, then it's always going to be about the money. When it's about the money, will you always be making business decisions out on the field ? If it's me, I drop you down a peg on my draft board . Just think how their teammates must feel. Take out an insurance policy and play the damn game. It's this for me. There are seniors on that team who have no hope of ever playing in the NFL who want to win their final game. This includes O lineman who have busted there ass and risked knee injuries for these RB's. Both are letting their teammates down. It speaks volumes about their character. When he gets to the NFL, is he going to sit out the final games of the last year of his contract? |
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Post by RobR on Dec 19, 2016 21:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by maury77 on Dec 19, 2016 22:29:29 GMT -5
Quite honestly, the Fournette train is writing cheques his college career can't cash. He has elite downhill running speed, but it gets murky past that. Fournette's ability to win is leveraged too heavily on his size/speed. Yes, he shoots through the line like a cannonball -- past that -- he's average as a receiver, potentially injury prone, murmurs if a me-first mentality, and really -- was taken out of some big games completely. He's more nimble at the second level than I initially thought though.. Still trying to decide if that's a mirage or a real skill. David Johnson had that in spades. There's similarities there with AP of course, but AP I think was a better, patient pure running-back. He could redirect based running lanes; start/stopping etc. I don't see that with Fournette. He's learned to maximize what he is good at - and because of that, he's an elite playmaker. Game flow, scheme, down and distance -- will impact his productivity. That's a legit flaw. Do I think Fournette is worthy of a 1st round pick? 100%. But he doesn't have the natural running ability of Elliot, nor the versatility of Cook. I respect the hell out of your opinion, but I think you are underestimating Fournette as a runner. He's shows good vision and cutback ability as well. mattwaldmanrsp.com/2016/12/14/rsp-boiler-room-no-57-leonard-fournette-and-pacing/ |
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Post by Paradis on Dec 20, 2016 1:27:32 GMT -5
Quite honestly, the Fournette train is writing cheques his college career can't cash. He has elite downhill running speed, but it gets murky past that. Fournette's ability to win is leveraged too heavily on his size/speed. Yes, he shoots through the line like a cannonball -- past that -- he's average as a receiver, potentially injury prone, murmurs if a me-first mentality, and really -- was taken out of some big games completely. He's more nimble at the second level than I initially thought though.. Still trying to decide if that's a mirage or a real skill. David Johnson had that in spades. There's similarities there with AP of course, but AP I think was a better, patient pure running-back. He could redirect based running lanes; start/stopping etc. I don't see that with Fournette. He's learned to maximize what he is good at - and because of that, he's an elite playmaker. Game flow, scheme, down and distance -- will impact his productivity. That's a legit flaw. Do I think Fournette is worthy of a 1st round pick? 100%. But he doesn't have the natural running ability of Elliot, nor the versatility of Cook. I respect the hell out of your opinion, but I think you are underestimating Fournette as a runner. He's shows good vision and cutback ability as well. mattwaldmanrsp.com/2016/12/14/rsp-boiler-room-no-57-leonard-fournette-and-pacing/I'm down for being wrong. I need to see games that don't fit into the "LSU stomps on Team X, and Leo racks up 300 yards on 11 carries" or the "defense takes Leo out of the game/gameflow" narratives. I'll keep your vision and mobility praise in mind, but I don't know I'm convinced that he can overcome scheme adversity. Still deserves to be recognized as premiere back; along with Elliot, McFadden, Peterson, etc. |
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