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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 16, 2016 11:09:58 GMT -5
Did you just call him ignorant and then prove his point for him? And what is your position on aiding a child's transition with hormones? I said on this topic he is showing his ignorance by calling this a mental illness. It is far more than that. Categorizing it at such shows a real limited understanding of the factors at play. (As does making this a "SJW" issue.) The American Psychiatric Association says gender nonconformity is not mental disorder. If you know better then them...rock on. And TBH, not interested in an internet kerfuffle with you on the rest. I could care less, but irregardless, are you literally disagreeing with him. |
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 16, 2016 11:14:53 GMT -5
Ignorance. To think that there are 6+ Billion people on the planet and every single one is born 100% male or female flies is the face of simple reproductive biology. I'd prefer these folks live their lives as they please. Rather than 1. Be miserable. 2. Kill themselves. "According to surveys, 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population has self-reported a suicide attempt, with that number climbing to between 10 and 20 percent for lesbian, gay or bisexual respondents. By comparison, 41 percent of trans or gender non-conforming people surveyed have attempted suicide." Call them mentally ill. call them freaks, whatever. Who are the hurting? I'm not saying "these folks" should be miserable or kill themselves, dink. Live and let live. Aside from hermaphrodites where there is a clear biological anomaly, humans are genetically programmed to be male or female. You don't think their mind telling them otherwise is related to mental health? And who are they hurting? Are you comfortable knowing your teenage daughter could be using a public bathroom at the same time as some pervert because he "identifies" as female and no one wants to tell him to fuck off to the men's room because it might hurt his feelings? Of course there is a mental "component"...but that doesn't make it a metal "illness"...at least by current medical standards. And lets not jump to the "perverts-in-the-bathroom" argument. We are talking about people who are sincerely struggling with gender issues. That takes us far away from this and does little to make sense of this. Somehow I doubt that little girl on the cover is concocting this whole scam to get into the ladies room to molest girls when he/she is older. (And I'm way more worried about heterosexual gymnastic coaches and Uncle Harry if statistics are correct.) |
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Post by flushingjet on Dec 16, 2016 20:30:13 GMT -5
I'm not saying "these folks" should be miserable or kill themselves, dink. Live and let live. Aside from hermaphrodites where there is a clear biological anomaly, humans are genetically programmed to be male or female. You don't think their mind telling them otherwise is related to mental health? And who are they hurting? Are you comfortable knowing your teenage daughter could be using a public bathroom at the same time as some pervert because he "identifies" as female and no one wants to tell him to fuck off to the men's room because it might hurt his feelings? Of course there is a mental "component"...but that doesn't make it a metal "illness"...at least by current medical standards. And lets not jump to the "perverts-in-the-bathroom" argument. We are talking about people who are sincerely struggling with gender issues. That takes us far away from this and does little to make sense of this. Somehow I doubt that little girl on the cover is concocting this whole scam to get into the ladies room to molest girls when he/she is older. (And I'm way more worried about heterosexual gymnastic coaches and Uncle Harry if statistics are correct.) Great the Geographic finally got to hear Hanson /s The AMA called it right for years for what it is, mental illness, and changed for Satan knows what reason. It all stems from emotional and \or physical abuse. Who does it hurt? Well for one the freaks who got bored playing with their own assholes and decided monkeys should be in the mix gave the world HIV. Gender reassignment? John Hopkins for one knows better, they won't do it anymore because they learned , cause science, it doesn't make a screwball sane |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 16, 2016 21:51:18 GMT -5
Ignorance. To think that there are 6+ Billion people on the planet and every single one is born 100% male or female flies is the face of simple reproductive biology. I'd prefer these folks live their lives as they please. Rather than 1. Be miserable. 2. Kill themselves. "According to surveys, 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population has self-reported a suicide attempt, with that number climbing to between 10 and 20 percent for lesbian, gay or bisexual respondents. By comparison, 41 percent of trans or gender non-conforming people surveyed have attempted suicide." Call them mentally ill. call them freaks, whatever. Who are the hurting? Shut the fuck up u fat fuck. Don't poison young people's minds with your BS PC lies you ugly Lena Dunham cunt. You always said that no one on this site would hit another person on the site, you don't know us you stupid fat ugly fucking feminist fuck. I'd knock your ass out bro. In like a sec. So fuck off. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 16, 2016 22:20:12 GMT -5
I'm not saying "these folks" should be miserable or kill themselves, dink. Live and let live. Aside from hermaphrodites where there is a clear biological anomaly, humans are genetically programmed to be male or female. You don't think their mind telling them otherwise is related to mental health? And who are they hurting? Are you comfortable knowing your teenage daughter could be using a public bathroom at the same time as some pervert because he "identifies" as female and no one wants to tell him to fuck off to the men's room because it might hurt his feelings? Of course there is a mental "component"...but that doesn't make it a metal "illness"...at least by current medical standards. And lets not jump to the "perverts-in-the-bathroom" argument. We are talking about people who are sincerely struggling with gender issues. That takes us far away from this and does little to make sense of this. Somehow I doubt that little girl on the cover is concocting this whole scam to get into the ladies room to molest girls when he/she is older. (And I'm way more worried about heterosexual gymnastic coaches and Uncle Harry if statistics are correct.) Sorry. I'm not really gonna hurt you but your a cunt. A fat fucking cunt. Just the way it is. I'm smarter than you, better looking and I'd kick your fat fucking ugly ass. I'm Ivy League you fake intellectual professor. I'm not one of ur students that u can belittle and bully. I'll ruin you and destroy your PC fucking BS. So fuck off fatso. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 17, 2016 8:56:15 GMT -5
If a child is old enough to choose their gender, have they reached the age of consent? The former seems like a much more adult type decision than the latter.
I can see the middle school girls basketball coach already straitening out any possible locker room issues to clear the way for his new power forward.
When I was 9 I wanted to be an astronaut. My parents told me I could be anything i wanted to be when I grew up, they didn't send me to NASA.
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Post by tkasper01 on Dec 17, 2016 9:18:20 GMT -5
I said on this topic he is showing his ignorance by calling this a mental illness. It is far more than that. Categorizing it at such shows a real limited understanding of the factors at play. (As does making this a "SJW" issue.) The American Psychiatric Association says gender nonconformity is not mental disorder. If you know better then them...rock on. And TBH, not interested in an internet kerfuffle with you on the rest. I could care less, but irregardless, are you literally disagreeing with him. I see what you did there |
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Post by tkasper01 on Dec 17, 2016 9:27:21 GMT -5
Of course there is a mental "component"...but that doesn't make it a metal "illness"...at least by current medical standards. And lets not jump to the "perverts-in-the-bathroom" argument. We are talking about people who are sincerely struggling with gender issues. That takes us far away from this and does little to make sense of this. Somehow I doubt that little girl on the cover is concocting this whole scam to get into the ladies room to molest girls when he/she is older. (And I'm way more worried about heterosexual gymnastic coaches and Uncle Harry if statistics are correct.) Sorry. I'm not really gonna hurt you but your a cunt. A fat fucking cunt. Just the way it is. I'm smarter than you, better looking and I'd kick your fat fucking ugly ass. I'm Ivy League you fake intellectual professor. I'm not one of ur students that u can belittle and bully. I'll ruin you and destroy your PC fucking BS. So fuck off fatso. Shit like this is why I keep you on ignore. You say you are smarter then him but do nothing to prove it with a well organized intelligent rebuttal of his posts. Just attack and call names. I disagree with him as well but you cannot deny he has a well thought out intellectual argument of his beliefs. You on the other hand want to internet bully and beat him up. If you are Ivy league Mom and Dad wasted their money. Unless of course you went on a debate team scholarship. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 17, 2016 11:36:56 GMT -5
Sorry. I'm not really gonna hurt you but your a cunt. A fat fucking cunt. Just the way it is. I'm smarter than you, better looking and I'd kick your fat fucking ugly ass. I'm Ivy League you fake intellectual professor. I'm not one of ur students that u can belittle and bully. I'll ruin you and destroy your PC fucking BS. So fuck off fatso. Shit like this is why I keep you on ignore. You say you are smarter then him but do nothing to prove it with a well organized intelligent rebuttal of his posts. Just attack and call names. I disagree with him as well but you cannot deny he has a well thought out intellectual argument of his beliefs. You on the other hand want to internet bully and beat him up. If you are Ivy league Mom and Dad wasted their money. Unless of course you went on a debate team scholarship. I hear ya. I do usually try to debate, but sometimes I can't believe what comes out of his mouth. Makes me crazy and I lose it. Sorry FF2. |
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Post by Jetworks on Dec 17, 2016 13:59:24 GMT -5
What factors are at play? And if you read the top left of the mag cover you will see that they are going the SJW route. "Making a man". It implies that gender is a "social construct". Thats your interpretion of Making a Man...I'd have to read the interior. Gender is complicated. Involving mental AND biological AND societal factors. Which is why pointing to the APA as the organization to provide a definitive 'diagnosis' is wrong. There's a lot more going on here, on an INDIVIDUAL basis. Know what? SOMETIMES it is a mental illness issue (or a physiological one). The APA/AMA/AAP seem to have lost sight of that word over the past few decades. Wonder why... |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 17, 2016 18:59:20 GMT -5
If a child is old enough to choose their gender, have they reached the age of consent? The former seems like a much more adult type decision than the latter. Very interesting point. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 18, 2016 9:42:36 GMT -5
Thats your interpretion of Making a Man...I'd have to read the interior. Gender is complicated. Involving mental AND biological AND societal factors. Which is why pointing to the APA as the organization to provide a definitive 'diagnosis' is wrong. There's a lot more going on here, on an INDIVIDUAL basis. Know what? SOMETIMES it is a mental illness issue (or a physiological one). The APA/AMA/AAP seem to have lost sight of that word over the past few decades. Wonder why... It's definitely a mental issue. These people are messed up. But, a child doesn't have the life experience or the mentality to make a life altering decision like having non reversible dangerous surgery to have their dick cut off. It's like allowing a 10 year old to get a tattoo except a million times worse. When they hit 18, they can do what they want. But no way should it be permitted at such a young age. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 18, 2016 9:50:51 GMT -5
Ignorance. To think that there are 6+ Billion people on the planet and every single one is born 100% male or female flies is the face of simple reproductive biology. I'd prefer these folks live their lives as they please. Rather than 1. Be miserable. 2. Kill themselves. "According to surveys, 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population has self-reported a suicide attempt, with that number climbing to between 10 and 20 percent for lesbian, gay or bisexual respondents. By comparison, 41 percent of trans or gender non-conforming people surveyed have attempted suicide." Call them mentally ill. call them freaks, whatever. Who are the hurting? About a year ago I was in a lobby at a hotel and saw a family - mom, dad, and a 13 year old who was obviously a boy but dressed like a girl. He was wearing girls clothes, had a bra on and makeup. He looked weird and kinda ugly to say the least. As I was looking at him, I came to the conclusion that this poor kid had many serious mental issues - looks in the mirror every day and does not like what he sees. I felt bad for him. He's a tortured soul who has enough problems in his life and the last thing he needs is me looking at him funny or anyone giving him a hard time. It's obviously not his fault. It's a mental issue. No different than someone born who is missing the one crucial chromosone (downs syndrome). We should accept them and let them live their life, but it shouldn't be something we celebrate or hold them high on a pedestal. We shouldn't be giving them a parade like Bruce Jenner. That only confuses and messes up more young people. Live and let live, but it is a serious mental quirk that has probably been around since the dawn of man. Same with homosexuals. They were born that way. Not their fault, but accepting and honoring / praising are two different things. |
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Post by Jetworks on Dec 18, 2016 11:06:32 GMT -5
Which is why pointing to the APA as the organization to provide a definitive 'diagnosis' is wrong. There's a lot more going on here, on an INDIVIDUAL basis. Know what? SOMETIMES it is a mental illness issue (or a physiological one). The APA/AMA/AAP seem to have lost sight of that word over the past few decades. Wonder why... It's definitely a mental issue. These people are messed up. But, a child doesn't have the life experience or the mentality to make a life altering decision like having non reversible dangerous surgery to have their dick cut off. It's like allowing a 10 year old to get a tattoo except a million times worse. When they hit 18, they can do what they want. But no way should it be permitted at such a young age. Here I thought all that extra flair I threw on 'sometimes' would've prevented such a definitive response, or at least prevented me from being ascribed one through association.  |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 18, 2016 12:00:03 GMT -5
It's definitely a mental issue. These people are messed up. But, a child doesn't have the life experience or the mentality to make a life altering decision like having non reversible dangerous surgery to have their dick cut off. It's like allowing a 10 year old to get a tattoo except a million times worse. When they hit 18, they can do what they want. But no way should it be permitted at such a young age. Here I thought all that extra flair I threw on 'sometimes' would've prevented such a definitive response, or at least prevented me from being ascribed one through association. Jetworks - I was in no way calling you out my brotha. I wanted to enter the conversation and replied to ur last post, but I think we are saying the same thing. Apologies if it came off as if I was attacking you in any way my man. I honestly wasn't. I feel bad for those people that have this disorder. It's gotta be really horrible to feel like you don't belong in your own body. But a kid doesn't have the life experience or mentality to make a life altering decision like that. If he/she really needs to do it, they can at least wait until they are 5 or 10 years removed from puberty. |
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